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08:50 < CIA-73> woglinde * r5152 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics.c: Fix:core: fix small memleak for struct graphics
08:50 < CIA-73> woglinde * r5153 /trunk/navit/navit/ (graphics.c graphics.h): Add:core: add graphics_font_destroy for cleaning up struct graphics_font
08:50 < CIA-73> woglinde * r5154 /trunk/navit/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal.c: Fix:gui_internal: fix small memleak by deallocating fonts
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09:44 < CIA-73> martin-s * r5155 /trunk/navit/navit/ (6 files): Add:option to configure multiple maps with similar attributes with one tag
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10:45 < CIA-73> martin-s * r5156 /trunk/navit/navit/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix:android:Use maps tag instead of adding maps from android code to make resume of navigation after restart work again
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11:11 < Moped_routing> hello
11:15 < Moped_routing> thus anyone know if  navit support routing voor Mopeds?
11:21 < woglinde> Moped_routing hm what you mean?
11:21 < woglinde> there is at least bycicle support
11:23 < Moped_routing> that is true.
11:23 < Moped_routing> but here in the Netherlands..
11:23 < Moped_routing> we have roads  for bycles...
11:23 < Moped_routing> and sometimes  also for  bycles and Moped.
11:24 < Moped_routing> to gether..
11:24 < Moped_routing> together
11:24 < Moped_routing> The Moped is then not allowed on the main road.
11:26 < Moped_routing> if you navigate on an Moped    with  bycicle routing    only  your can go on an road  were only  Bycicles are allowed.
11:27 < Moped_routing> So i m looking  for an option  that  navigation tool   (navit)  can also read  tags out of the openstreet map  for Moped.
11:28 < ventYl> i'm not sure but i think that profiles can be configured via xml file
11:28 < Moped_routing> We are planning  an project  that will   place the   right  tags on the   openstreet map   here in the  Region
11:28 < ventYl> so you can define priority of roads there
11:30 < Moped_routing> With in Towns    Mopeds  must mainly     ride on the  same roads as Cars.
11:30 < Moped_routing> but some times the are not allowed on that roads.
11:31 < Moped_routing> so far i have not seen  an navigation  tool    that can navigate  a specially  for   vehicule  Moped.
11:32 < ventYl> navit can be customized but usability depends mainly on how easy it will be to decide if you can or cant ride that particular road with Moped
11:36 < Moped_routing> highway=cycleway moped=designated
11:36 < Moped_routing> this is way  we want to tag  those roads
11:36 < Moped_routing> this is the way  we want to tag  those roads
11:37 < Moped_routing> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:The_Netherlands_roads_tagging#Overige_wegen_en_paden
11:37 < ventYl> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuring_Navit#The_Vehicle_Profile
11:38 < Moped_routing> on the above Url you can see the   roads  and signs in the netherlands
11:38 < ventYl> Moped_routing: ^^ take a look at this. it should be possible to include those roads in routing with Moped profile
11:38 < Moped_routing> Fiets/bromfietspad
11:39 < woglinde> Moped_routing hm I dont think we support this osm tag
11:39 < woglinde> first you need maptool support for this
11:39 < woglinde> second you need to write the profile as ventYl mentioned
11:40 < Moped_routing> what is maptool   support?
11:40 < ventYl> Moped_routing: maptool support ensures that tags from OSM XML would be translated to navit binary format so you can use them in navit
11:42 < Moped_routing> Ok  ,  how can you  get  maptool support...?
11:44 < woglinde> Moped_routing code it
11:44 < Moped_routing> because in the OSM there is specially tags for Moped  ... thus the support for  this can come soon or later in NAvit?
11:44 < ventYl> i'm sorry but right now i'm unable to help you with this. but somebody here will know how to add this support
11:44 < woglinde> it is opensource
11:45 < Moped_routing> Ok but i m  completely   new  in to this field.
11:45 < drlizau> Moped_routing you need more than tags, you need mappers to use those tags so that any tool which parses the data can find the appropriate roads for you
11:46 < ventYl> i think they can manage mappers ;) their problem is to find suitable utility which can use the data later
11:52 < Moped_routing> Is the Netherlands  special in this kind of routing  in looking to  other countries?  and is that  why  you do not have  vehicule   Moped  in most navigation  apps.
11:53 < woglinde> o.O
11:53 < woglinde> routing algo is the same for any country
11:54 < Moped_routing> Ok
11:54 < Moped_routing> but you have routing for  all kinds of vehicules...  but not for Mopeds..
11:55 < Moped_routing> I think in other countries      if you use bicycle   as vehicule   this can also be used for  mopeds
11:56 < Moped_routing> But the problem  is that in the Netherlands   there are many roads  only designated  for   Bicycle   , and you get trouble with the police if you  ride there.
12:03 < Moped_routing> we want to start a Project to get the  Moped navigation   Right  here in The Netherlands starting in the Region  Groningen
12:13 < woglinde> again
12:14 < woglinde> 1. maptool support
12:14 < woglinde> 2. profile
12:18 < ventYl> Moped_routing: in slovakia mopeds can go only on roads and only on some roads
12:34 < Moped_routing> Ok so in   Slovakia...  there are also roads  were   bicylces  are allowed  but Mopeds are not allowed?
12:36 < ventYl> yes, of course
12:36 < ventYl> and, oficially it's not allowed to ride bike on footway but bobody cares about
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12:51 < Moped_routing> looking to the future there wil be  more and more electric  mopeds on the road.    It is a pitty that   the vehicule  Moped is not supported mij the  Navigation tools.
12:51 < Moped_routing> looking to the future there wil be  more and more electric  mopeds on the road.    It is a pitty that   the vehicule  Moped is not supported by the  Navigation tools.
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12:53 < woglinde> its opensource
12:53 < woglinde> add it your self
12:53 < woglinde> or ask tomtom how much it cost
12:53 < Moped_routing> maps   of  Carmin   and  Tom Tom   do not have   even the roads  for  all bicycles on the map.
12:53 < woglinde> for there
12:53 < woglinde> devices
12:55 < Moped_routing> that's why i want to find out how i  can configure  navit of an other  app  to  have an Algo rithme for  Moped
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14:52 < jens1965> has anybody expirence with TeleAtlas maps on NavIt
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18:10 < curious> Moped_routing, is 'moped' recognized by openstreetmaps at all?
18:11 < curious> Moped_routing, if yes, then creating profile similiar to bike paths but for mopeds will be possible , but it will take bit of hacking
18:13 < curious> ppl here told you right path :)
18:14 < curious> here in poland mopeds do not have special roads
18:14 < curious> but on some bicycle paths mopeds are not allowed (along with other motorized vehicles)
18:15 < curious> so by just looking @ case opposite way - i.e. what roads mopeds are not allowed to run into, one could deduce vehicle profile
18:17 < curious> in general if you would tag bicycle path on which mopeds are allowed as normal road, but tag it with appropriate speed limits (i.e. 20km/h or 50km/h ) and car and truck allowance i think routing would work
18:18 < curious> i.e. 'moped-bicycle' way is just normal road which can be used by anything except cars , trucks , and with speed limit
18:19 < curious> i guess in netherlands pedestrians are also banned from such roads :)
18:20 < woglinde> curious as I said first he needs maptool support
18:20 < woglinde> otherwise it will not work correctly
18:20 < woglinde> till later
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18:21 < curious> Moped_routing,  http://83.18.229.190/tmp/navit.xml here u can peek @ my example vehicleprofiles for various modes of bicycle driving
18:22 < curious> and yes, maptool support will provide you with another type of road , and it's totally doable, though u will have to go through some pains of submitting pathes
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