--- Log opened Wed Oct 10 00:00:48 2012
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08:08 < tryagain> cp15 ping
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09:24 <@cp15> tryagain, pog
09:24 <@cp15> tryagain, pong
09:25 < tryagain> cp15 i've sent you a letter regarding #1040 and route.c changes
09:26 <@cp15> Yep, I saw it
09:26 <@cp15> Can you explain why the destination.txt handling is insufficient?
09:33 < tryagain> hm... that was my idea... but why that was filtered out... looks like I'm making too big pauses beteen returns to this ticket :)
09:36 <@cp15> I will take a look at the patches
09:40 < tryagain> ok
09:42 <@cp15> What is the difference between ignoring the next waypoint and dropping it?
09:43 < tryagain> i think it's the same
09:44 < tryagain> ah, no
09:44 < tryagain> Ignored item is left on the map as any other visited point
09:45 < tryagain> Any waypoint can also be deleted. Then it's dropped from the map and from waypoint list.
09:46 <@cp15> Hmm... Is the ignore waypoint useful?
09:47 < tryagain> "Ignore" is attempt to deal with waypoints which are actually visited but navit doesnt mark them as such due to road being too far from the waypoint or bad gps signal not allowing them to be automatically marked as visited.
09:50 <@cp15> Yes, but why would one like to keep it on the map?
09:52 < tryagain> I think mostly to be able to review all your route and to have consistant waypoint numbering during the whole tour.
09:53 < tryagain> Well, that's not the key feature which I would like to keep at any price. Key feature is ability to insert/delete/move waypoints.
10:09 <@cp15> Yes, I would also like to see that
10:10 <@cp15> But for that route_get_destinations and route_set_destinations should be sufficient
10:12 <@cp15> Of course displaying the waypoint would be nice
10:14 < tryagain> What way to display them do you prefer? route map or destination.txt? Separate csv map I think is not very good idea. The only its benefit I think is ability to display visited waypoints.
10:15 < tryagain> Yes, I would also like to see that <--- is this related to visited waypoints?
10:19 <@cp15> No, to "Key feature is ability to insert/delete/move waypoints."
10:20 <@cp15> Well, I would like to keep it in the route map
10:20 <@cp15> It doesn't exactly rule out displaying visited waypoints, but for now dropping them completely is a easier solution
10:21 <@cp15> Actually we should probably distinguish different waypoints:
10:22 < tryagain> Then to the question asked in the mail. Do we have to keep id_low assignment rules for route_map? I prefer to have id's constant uless the whole route graph is rebuild.
10:23 < tryagain> *unless
10:23 <@cp15> - Fuzzy waypoints, which doesn't have to be visited directly they just say "the route should go close to the waypoint". Example: You want to drive from a to b via c (a town). You don't want exactly drive through the town centre of c, but you want to have your route go along c
10:24 <@cp15> - Exact waypoints, which you really want to visit
10:24 <@cp15> - Inactive exact waypoints (which you have already visited or disabled)
10:26 <@cp15> Yep, true (the IDs). But I think it is flawed anyways, the IDs should probably be counted from the destination which doesn't change that often.. Haven't checked that
10:26 <@cp15> We could distinguish between route and waypoints with id_hi: 0=Waypoints (including final destination), 1=Route
10:29 <@cp15> That would leave the route ids constant independent of the waypoints
10:36 < tryagain> currently ids are renumbered each time the gps position is changed. They'll become nearly constant if we  change ordering direction to opposite or use pointers.
10:38 <@cp15> Pointers are a bit dangerous... They will lead to a crash if they are incorrect (well, this happens with other maps as well) or if the item is no longer in existence
10:41 < tryagain> We could compare all items in route map with given pointer until match is found. So we use pointer only as a number.
10:41 <@cp15> Ok, I am fine with that
10:42 <@cp15> Remember to cast the pointer to a long and then split it up into id_hi and id_lo, since the pointer might be 64 bit
10:44 < tryagain> ok
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11:20 <@cp15> Someone reading entertainment weekly? http://mashable.com/2012/10/02/ew-has-smartphone-inside/ Your chance to get navit running on it
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14:41 < huperniketes> I was hoping to get navit into an app I'm doing for an art museum's exhibit, but some of its dependencies aren't compiling correctly on the mac (Lion)
14:48 <@cp15> Well, I guess there isn't anyone here with a mac, so it will be difficult to help you
14:49 <@cp15> What have you done so far and what error do you get?
14:56 < huperniketes> for some of the dependencies (gobject-introspection) I'm communicating with the gnome devs now trying to get their tools to work in the mac environment
14:57 < huperniketes> for navit, I've been having trouble getting cmake to configure for android builds on a mac
15:05 < huperniketes> anyone here build for android and care to share what the settings/dependencies should be?
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18:33 < tryagain> huperniketes I use this script to configure android build on linux http://pastebin.com/ZptRNtv1
18:37 < tryagain> also it might be helpful to post your cmake logs
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