--- Log opened Thu Nov 29 00:00:21 2012 04:08 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:4e36:7bae::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:4e36:781e::1] has joined #navit 07:31 -!- Robotaxi [3ef5dbf5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.245.219.245] has joined #navit 08:10 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052233033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 08:12 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 08:58 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59 -!- jbaxter [~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com] has joined #navit 08:59 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 10:44 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@77.195.43.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@120.43.195.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #navit 12:47 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 12:55 -!- woglinde_ [~henning@g225164209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 12:57 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052233033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:16 -!- alphatango [4f16d362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.22.211.98] has joined #navit 14:16 #navit: < alphatango> hello 14:18 #navit: < alphatango> im a newbie, i manage to add more attributes for pois when clicking on show pois attributes, modifing osm.c and attr_def.h 14:19 #navit: < alphatango> this is the osm.c.patch http://pastebin.com/QbAKzFd4 14:21 #navit: < alphatango> and this is the attr_def.h.patch http://pastebin.com/DEWqZ923 14:23 #navit: < alphatango> in short this will add poi info like: opening_hours,capacity,cuisine,stars(used in hotels),and operator 14:25 #navit: < alphatango> as the latest version of navit only include address, phone, fax and postal code 14:28 #navit: < alphatango> some of my implementations seems to be nearly supported by navit, as i saw in osm.c the tag "addr:email", that i fixed with the current osm tag "email" 14:30 #navit: < alphatango> also some of the tag i added to be displaied, were already in attr_def.h 14:30 #navit: < alphatango> like ATTR(description) 14:32 #navit: < alphatango> and ATTR(url) 14:35 #navit: < alphatango> also ATTR(entry_fee) and ATTR(open_hours) were already in, but i changed in ATTR(fee) [more generic fee for an amenity, not only entrance] and in ATTR(opening_hours) more close to the osm tag 14:40 #navit: < alphatango> NOTE: adding ATTR(operator) in attr_def.h, give me the word operator in red color, using gedit. as a newbie, i dont know if is a bug/problem and how to avoid this, so i used ATTR(operated_by) to solve 14:42 #navit: < alphatango> by the way, i compiled and it worked. 14:46 #navit: < alphatango> the only problem is about fuel:lpg=yes/no or fee=yes/no....it appears fee=1 when yes and fee=0 when no...any solutions? 14:46 #navit: < alphatango> i'll read irclogs 14:46 -!- alphatango [4f16d362@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.22.211.98] has left #navit [] 14:56 -!- woglinde_ [~henning@g225164209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58 -!- woglinde [~henning@g225007170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 15:52 -!- Robotaxi [3ef5dbf5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.245.219.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:41 -!- woglinde [~henning@g225007170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: latouche 17:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: latouche 18:01 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 18:03 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@sierra.khetzal.info] has joined #navit 18:37 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 19:01 -!- MatthiasM1 [~matthias@stw-104-048.ras.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 19:01 #navit: < MatthiasM1> hi everybody :) 19:01 #navit: < MatthiasM1> is this the right way to post questions for NAVIT roadmap etc? 19:02 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> hi MatthiasM1 19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, here is the right place 19:04 #navit: < MatthiasM1> great 19:05 #navit: < MatthiasM1> my question is simple and complex in the same way ;) 19:05 #navit: < MatthiasM1> so basically: Is there a plan to start a NAVIT2 with the focus of max. compability to OpenStreetMap? 19:06 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i don't know any such plan, but i'm not a core developer and don't know about newest rumours 19:07 #navit: < MatthiasM1> Well as you might expect, I'm over from OSM (there known as !i!) 19:07 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, well, then we know each other 19:07 #navit: < xenos1984> << MHohmann 19:07 #navit: < MatthiasM1> hehe :) 19:08 #navit: < MatthiasM1> hallo :) 19:08 #navit: < xenos1984> hallo, or moin ;) 19:08 #navit: < MatthiasM1> and esp. the EU community knows, that we can only boost OSM, if it gets to the consumers (bad word for passive people) 19:09 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's certainly true 19:09 #navit: < MatthiasM1> so the question is, if NAVIT could be refactored/rewritten with the ability of OSM as major data provider in background? 19:09 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 19:10 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i once hat the idea to more or less rewrite navit from scratch, using C++ instead, an object oriented design, and focusing on OSM as data source 19:10 #navit: < MatthiasM1> I know Navit has a long way gone and so there are some design decisions, that didn't respect the abilitys of OSM (level of detail, data format, ...) 19:10 #navit: < xenos1984> had 19:10 #navit: < xenos1984> but this idea never left the "i have an idea" stage because of time limitations 19:10 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, but if you keep an eye on time, this can't be done by sparetime... 19:11 #navit: < xenos1984> exactly... 19:11 #navit: < MatthiasM1> ...so my question 2b is if we can crowdfund a team to start the dance? 19:12 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... interesting idea... it would be nice if we could 19:12 #navit: < xenos1984> but i have 0 experience with things like these 19:12 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but I have no clue about NAVIT internals (code and team aspects) to find the right way to communicate to this community 19:12 #navit: < MatthiasM1> So how can we find a good way to communicate? 19:13 #navit: < MatthiasM1> and where is the core team? 19:13 #navit: < xenos1984> well, i have a rough overview over the code, some of its details and its organization, and i know some developers - this is what i could offer, some insight into the code and some contacts 19:13 #navit: < xenos1984> !seen cp15 19:14 #navit: < MatthiasM1> sounds good 19:14 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... ok, does not seem to work that way... 19:15 #navit: < xenos1984> so, my most active contact would be Martin Schaller (cp15) 19:15 #navit: < MatthiasM1> I guess the money isn't the biggest problem.... more social and organisational acceptance 19:15 #navit: < MatthiasM1> @all somebody else with opinions? 19:16 #navit: < MatthiasM1> What about setting up an Wiki page in the NAVIT wiki? 19:16 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, i agree, one somehow needs to get the thing started 19:16 #navit: < MatthiasM1> +1 19:16 #navit: < MatthiasM1> would you stay focused on finding contacts inside the NAVIT team? 19:17 #navit: < xenos1984> sure, i can see whom i can find 19:17 #navit: < MatthiasM1> nice :) 19:17 #navit: < xenos1984> and i'm usually active in this channel, too 19:17 #navit: * MatthiasM1 is usually not on IRC/IM as it's time consuming ... :/ 19:19 #navit: < xenos1984> that's true... so mostly i'm here only during evenings ;) 19:20 #navit: < MatthiasM1> I respect NAVIT community with the biggest experience in routing and writing cross platform navigation :) 19:21 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed, the portability is amazing :) this is one aspect i would focus on when it comes to writing something new / rewriting from scratch 19:22 #navit: < MatthiasM1> <- has no idea of C++ but C, Java, Python 19:22 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but I'm not an experienced coder, maybe I can help with other aspects as OSM, Wiki, community, ... 19:22 #navit: < xenos1984> << knows C, C++, Java ;) and very little Python... (i can write hello world in Python) 19:23 #navit: < MatthiasM1> ^--- print "helo" :D 19:23 #navit: < xenos1984> some wiki page and some contact to the community would be great 19:24 #navit: < MatthiasM1> can you grant me an overview about the NAVIT team/community? 19:24 #navit: < xenos1984> let me think for a moment... and look through the channel ;) 19:25 #navit: < MatthiasM1> if there is (uptodate) doc, this would be fine, too 19:25 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i think the most up to date doc is the navit wiki... 19:26 #navit: < MatthiasM1> really? Unexpected for an mapper ;) 19:26 #navit: < xenos1984> well, that basically means that there is no other doc ;) 19:27 #navit: < xenos1984> so here in the channel Horwitz and KaZeR should belong to the original developers, together with cp15... the other rather active people i had contact with are Number6, woglinde and tryagain (the latter two not being here) 19:28 #navit: < drlizau> MatthiasM1 you are free to code a fork of Navit and release it 19:28 #navit: < MatthiasM1> no, that's basically not the idea (and def. beyond my skills) 19:28 #navit: < drlizau> I don't respect people who just arrive and demand a change without any background of working for the community. 19:28 #navit: < MatthiasM1> +1 19:28 #navit: < drlizau> Navit still supports several types of maps. 19:29 #navit: < MatthiasM1> which I respect, maybe I should explain my intention a bit more: 19:29 #navit: < MatthiasM1> NAVIT is coming from a time, where no open geodata were available, right? 19:30 #navit: < xenos1984> drlizau: i know MatthiasM1 and i'm pretty sure this was not his intention 19:31 #navit: < MatthiasM1> thanks @xenos1984 but @drlizau s daubt are ok :) 19:32 #navit: < MatthiasM1> I will try to form my idea in a wiki page (if I get the registration mail ...) 19:33 #navit: < drlizau> the wiki has been heavily spammed and may still be locked down 19:33 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, I requested an account as descriped at the mainpage 19:35 #navit: < MatthiasM1> So basically it's about allowing NAVIT to refresh it's codebase and make it easy to use for endusers, with a bigger focus on the abilities that OSM material can offer. Not about telling devs how to get there... but maybe we can crowdfund a sprint, as OSM community lust for an great free and open navigation solution :) 19:36 #navit: < drlizau> a request from you for someone else to do something, while you sit back and reap the benefits? 19:36 #navit: < drlizau> The most difficult part is that OSM is a moving target 19:36 #navit: < MatthiasM1> no, no benefits. Just an offer to set an impulse, assist towards OSM communty if wanted 19:37 #navit: < drlizau> what is mapped is not defined in any firm manner 19:37 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes OSM is....dificult ;) 19:37 #navit: < drlizau> this is part of the original philosophy of OSM. 19:37 #navit: < drlizau> Now think about the difficulties of robust design against a moving target. 19:38 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but as research and successtorys tell it can be handled, if you focus on scenarios (routing, geocoding, rendering, ...) and accept an additional normalising step 19:39 #navit: < MatthiasM1> nodody says that it will be easy, or can be done within 2 weeks ;) 19:40 #navit: < xenos1984> well, there are no real standards in OSM, but conventions - and navit's maptool already uses these conventions to convert OSM data to navit.bin 19:40 #navit: < drlizau> or that it is worth spending time on, as the next year there will be features redefinedand last years code will have to be pulled apart again. 19:41 #navit: < xenos1984> tags like highway=primary are certainly rather stable 19:41 #navit: < MatthiasM1> IMHO that is only a minor problem of current OSM<->NAVIT teamplay (from an consumer POV). Mostly it's usability :( Of course this is caused by a very long history and drifting requirements towards NAVIT 19:41 #navit: < drlizau> xenos1984 those conventions represent the deepest layer of normalisation in the OSM database 19:41 #navit: < drlizau> they are stable and most likely will remain stable 19:42 #navit: < MatthiasM1> so you think about turning restrictions, lane based routing, ... etc? 19:42 #navit: < drlizau> now consider what happens when the micromappers change their scenarios again and they map endless other parts of their world 19:42 #navit: < MatthiasM1> sorry? I don't get your point? 19:43 #navit: < drlizau> possibly because you don't have a background of many years in both projects. 19:43 #navit: < drlizau> i have to head off to work 19:43 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has left #navit ["Leaving"] 19:43 #navit: < xenos1984> drlizau: yes, this deepest layer is what i would focus on for now. if newer features get stable in OSM, one might consider making use of them, too. 19:43 #navit: < MatthiasM1> cya 19:44 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but if he tells that tag variety is the problem, what would be his idea to solve it? And why not improving NAVIT internals eigther? 19:45 #navit: < xenos1984> i think already now converting OSM to navit.bin must respect this tag variety 19:46 -!- jbaxter_ [~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com] has joined #navit 19:46 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, this is implicit due to OSMs concept of establishing semi-standards 19:46 #navit: < xenos1984> of course navit IS using OSM data already now (among possibly others) 19:47 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, but it's not that tuned for (see search, rendering, generalisation, ...) 19:48 #navit: < MatthiasM1> Which is not a problem, as NAVIT started with other goals in other times past... 19:49 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:49 -!- jbaxter [~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:49 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's true... OSM + MapCSS would be a nice combination for rendering... 19:49 #navit: < xenos1984> and search for place names could certainly be improved 19:50 #navit: < MatthiasM1> generalisation for buildings is hell :/ 19:52 #navit: < xenos1984> what exactly do you mean by that? 19:52 #navit: < MatthiasM1> the ability to reduce level of detail when you zoom out. So not toggle single layers, but to simplify object geometries. 19:53 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but there is so much that NAVIT can offer for experience (routing on embedded hardware, tweaked file format, crossplatform, ...) that I think it can get an ultimate solution :) 19:53 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see... yes, i can imagine that this is rather difficult :/ 19:53 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, esp. on limited hardware :( 19:55 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed... i'm just thinking of things like the TomTom GO 910 (400 MHz ARM CPU, 64 MB RAM) where i first ported navit - and it was running fine 19:56 #navit: < MatthiasM1> you can do all on this hardware, if you pay the price for global precalculations and space :P 19:57 -!- jbaxter_ [~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:57 #navit: < xenos1984> of course, there is always this cpu time vs. memory issue ;) 19:57 #navit: < MatthiasM1> AFAIK OSRM uses somekind of tricks that blow the size but make it uncredible fast :D 19:57 #navit: < MatthiasM1> "contractional blabla" 19:58 #navit: < xenos1984> well, if you have enough space... and a storage strategy that allows you to find what you are looking for... 19:59 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yeah, AFAIK they use some assumptions and precalculated ways 20:01 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess these precalculations also need a lot of time ;) well, only once of course, but for the whole world (or whatever region one wants to cover) and not only for the routes that are actually being requested... 20:02 #navit: < MatthiasM1> basically yes, but maybe you can drive an diff/update strategy instead of processing the full dump again and again 20:03 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... that would make sense 20:04 #navit: < MatthiasM1> but hard to realise as superdifficult to get all things in sync 20:06 #navit: < MatthiasM1> hmm might be that your wiki accounts have manual administration :( 20:06 #navit: < MatthiasM1> BTW How is the dev team organised? 20:13 #navit: < MatthiasM1> is there a central maintainer? Who is managing the platform specific builds and packaging? 20:21 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i think there are experts for some specific platforms 20:21 #navit: < xenos1984> for example, my specialty is TomTom linux ;) 20:22 #navit: < MatthiasM1> long time ago I dreamed to port NAVIT to OpenPandora ... :/ 20:22 #navit: < xenos1984> and the main developers / head of the developer team should be Horwitz, KaZeR, cp15 20:22 #navit: < xenos1984> they are also the project managers on sourceforge 20:22 #navit: < MatthiasM1> all or just a subset? 20:23 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... what do you mean? 20:24 #navit: < MatthiasM1> Does the core team only consist of this 3 named devs? 20:25 #navit: < xenos1984> i think there are more active developers in the core team, but they are the head of the team (kind of) 20:25 #navit: < MatthiasM1> I understand 20:28 #navit: < xenos1984> and there a certainly more contributors who made rather small contributions (including myself) 20:28 #navit: < MatthiasM1> so you maintain the TomTomLinux port? 20:30 #navit: < xenos1984> well, more or less, maintain is probably too much said... let's call it "look at it and update it from time to time, and sometimes answer questions" 20:30 #navit: < MatthiasM1> So you checkout the trunk source and apply platform patches? 20:32 #navit: < xenos1984> actually it compiles out of the box :) 20:32 #navit: < MatthiasM1> wow 20:32 #navit: < xenos1984> i mostly maintain dependencies (libraries, speech output...) 20:33 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yeah speech output out of the box would be pretty cool :) 20:33 #navit: < MatthiasM1> never got NAVIT to work my Ubuntu with all features :( 20:33 #navit: < xenos1984> and run the build chain once in a while (which i could just do now, btw) 20:33 #navit: < MatthiasM1> so no build server? 20:33 #navit: < xenos1984> which features are you missing? i'm using it on ubuntu as well 20:33 #navit: < MatthiasM1> you use unit tests? 20:34 #navit: < xenos1984> there is a build server, but i think TomTom Linux is not in the automation yet ;) 20:34 #navit: < xenos1984> no unit tests yet 20:34 #navit: < MatthiasM1> uhm had problem with bluetooth GPS and speech synthesis 20:35 #navit: < MatthiasM1> and to be hornest it wasn't easy to use on keyboad/touchpad devices :/ 20:35 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... for speech output i use espeak via command line 20:35 #navit: < xenos1984> also on ubuntu 20:36 #navit: < MatthiasM1> i tried similar approach: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Navit/Ubuntu 20:36 #navit: < xenos1984> and bluetooth gps... does yours run with gpsd? (and other gpsd applications other that navit?) 20:36 #navit: < MatthiasM1> was months ago, not sure about that. Would say yes 20:37 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... if it works with gpsd, navit should be able to use it as well... 20:37 #navit: < MatthiasM1> But all this hackish stuff is far away from the user experience of android users :( 20:37 #navit: < xenos1984> i agree 20:37 #navit: < MatthiasM1> maybe I should give it a try again at Xmas ;) 20:37 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 20:37 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i never used a navit deb package, i compiled it myself 20:38 #navit: * MatthiasM1 running with laptop through the snow ... 20:38 #navit: < xenos1984> but getting all the libraries straight takes a bit... 20:39 #navit: < xenos1984> if you want some more snow, i can offer you 20cm ;) 20:40 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes and I'm not very got in depencie stuff (most compile approaches getting me crazy ;)) 20:40 #navit: < MatthiasM1> here at Rostock it became colder but no snow (guess the baltic sea...) 20:41 #navit: < xenos1984> here is was -4°C during the day (Tartu, Estonia) 20:41 #navit: < xenos1984> and the forecast was -22°C in a few days, but i think they corrected the numbers 20:42 #navit: < MatthiasM1> oh, I expect you sitting somewhere in Germany, too 20:42 #navit: * MatthiasM1 turns the globe and looks up E S T O N I A 20:43 #navit: < xenos1984> i was living in hamburg for the last 11 years, and before that i was growing up near wolfsburg ;) but i moved to estonia 3 months ago 20:43 #navit: < MatthiasM1> ooookkkk oO 20:45 #navit: < xenos1984> this is already the second snow here for me... at the end of october we had 25cm 20:45 #navit: < xenos1984> and we had like -11°C 20:45 #navit: < MatthiasM1> brrrr 20:45 #navit: < MatthiasM1> think 2 years ago we had -20 here in M-V 20:46 #navit: < xenos1984> according to the people here a few weeks per winter of -30°C are normal ;) 20:46 #navit: < MatthiasM1> Jesus OO 20:47 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess i don't want to go outside when this happens... 20:48 #navit: < MatthiasM1> or VERY MUCH clothes ;) 20:49 #navit: < MatthiasM1> ok back2topic: As I don't get an confirmation mail yet, I think I will start an first draft over at the OSM wiki 20:49 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's a good idea 20:50 #navit: < xenos1984> i think the wiki registration needs to be approved by an admin 20:50 #navit: < MatthiasM1> yes, seems to be that way... 20:50 #navit: < MatthiasM1> ok but now it's time for me :D 20:50 #navit: < xenos1984> (and since cp15 is not here, and he is the one who manages the server, this might take a bit) 20:51 #navit: < MatthiasM1> will return tomorrow or later and see ;) 20:51 #navit: < MatthiasM1> cya 20:51 #navit: < xenos1984> i'll be happy to participate and keep the contacts 20:51 #navit: < xenos1984> cu ;) 20:51 -!- MatthiasM1 [~matthias@stw-104-048.ras.uni-rostock.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.11] has joined #navit 21:08 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 21:08 -!- woglinde [~henning@g225007170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 21:10 #navit: < xenos1984_> hi woglinde 21:10 #navit: < woglinde> hi xenos 21:10 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:11 #navit: < xenos1984_> i guess today's activity in this channel reached a new peak, according to the channel logs... 21:11 #navit: < xenos1984_> it seems rather quiet here over the last months 21:11 -!- xenos1984_ is now known as xenos1984 21:12 #navit: < woglinde> hm looks like I missed it 21:14 #navit: < xenos1984> to summarize: someone i know from the openstreetmap forum asked whether there is a chance of a navit remake, focused on using more features from OSM data 21:14 #navit: < xenos1984> and more oriented towards end users 21:15 #navit: < xenos1984> and he was asking for opinions on that 21:15 #navit: < tryagain> I think these are main goals for navit development now... At least for me :) 21:18 #navit: < xenos1984> i agree ;) i haven't been very active recently, but hearing about some interest in the project is a good motivation for me 21:19 #navit: < tryagain> a bit on OSM stability. We had some discussion in #876 and #456 tickets of highway=primary properties being highly variable throughout the countries. 21:19 #navit: < tryagain> agreed 21:20 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 21:21 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, that's true - in some countries a primary is a multi-lane asphalt road, in others a "major sand track"... 21:22 -!- khetzal [~quetzal@sierra.khetzal.info] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:22 #navit: < tryagain> have to go now.... see you... 21:22 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23 #navit: < xenos1984_> i guess to cope with this issue the OSM data needs to contain information on road surfaces, widths etc. as well, which is probably a lot of work to parse... 21:23 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:26 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 21:28 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B48E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:23 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33 -!- woglinde [~henning@g225007170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Nov 30 00:00:21 2012