--- Log opened Wed Dec 26 00:00:39 2012
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10:37 #navit: < Usul1> hi folks :)
10:39 #navit: < Usul1> hi cp15 :) you know where the NSIS windows installer script can be found?
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10:47 #navit: < Usul1> hi woglinde :P
10:47 #navit: < Usul1> had nice Xmas?
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15:37 #navit: < Usul1> So guess I'm nearly finished with my wiki cleanup. Now it's upon @all to label outdated stuff and to update content
15:37 #navit: < Usul1> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Special:AllPages
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17:57 #navit: < TNing> hello @all
17:58 #navit: < xenos1984> hi TNing
18:00 #navit: < TNing> I am trying to use Navit for navigation in the netherlands. But I encountered a problem with the the coastlines.
18:01 #navit: < TNing> Is it by design, a known bug or did I something wrong?
18:02 #navit: < xenos1984> what exactly is the problem? water flowing into the land (i.e., blue map tiles)?
18:02 #navit: < TNing> Mainly water is being displayed in navit where it isn't in OpenStreetmap
18:03 #navit: < TNing> and the coastline seems to be chunked in coarse squares
18:03 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... where did you get the map from?
18:04 #navit: < TNing> I tried http://maps9.navit-project.org/ and http://jff-webhosting.net/osm/navit/world/europe/
18:04 #navit: < xenos1984> and it happens with both of them?
18:06 #navit: < TNing> yes, I additionaly tried it with an own selection using the planet extractor but the results are the same
18:07 #navit: < TNing> I'm using the navit-current version from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/win32_gtk_cmake/svn/
18:07 #navit: < xenos1984> this is strange... i hope there is no broken dyke somewhere along the coast ;)
18:08 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i had the same problem once with coastlines of the baltic sea
18:08 #navit: <@cp15> TNing: If lang is flooded there is usually a coastline of a sea turned the wrong way round or an island has a coastline, but not the sea where it is located
18:12 #navit: < tryagain> cp15 so #745, #754 trac tickets are to be closed as already fixed? I thought we still have some problems with multipolygone coastlines.
18:14 #navit: <@cp15> Are there multipolygon coastlines?
18:14 #navit: < tryagain> hm in osm at all or on the baltic sea?
18:15 #navit: <@cp15> In osm at all... I don't think this is possible, since coastline is a line and not a polygon
18:16 #navit: < TNing> I made two screenshots http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/navitproblemnpm9r6yxon5.png and http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/navitproblemnbfnoqelyuj.png
18:20 #navit: <@cp15> The blocky water is a bug in navit, the overflooded netherlands one in osm
18:20 #navit: <@cp15> Since you have gtk active you can right click on the wrong water and it will show you an osm way id which is likely to be wrong
18:23 #navit: < TNing> I'm wondering why the island Marken on the top left area of the second screenshot is displayed right while nearly the whole rest is blocky
18:23 #navit: < tryagain> TNing can you please tell us osm id?
18:25 #navit: <@cp15> The blue blocks in the right lower corner are wrong osm data, the other ones probably will go away if you zoom in
18:26 #navit: < TNing> I'm new to this but I do my best ;-) let's see ...
18:27 #navit: < TNing> there is a poly_farm and a poly_water_tiled
18:27 #navit: <@cp15> poly_water_tiled
18:28 #navit: < TNing> osm_wayid = 77109043
18:30 #navit: <@cp15> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/77109043
18:30 #navit: <@cp15> This is an island which has a tag natural=coastline
18:30 #navit: <@cp15> However the sea where it is located probably doesn't have one (I haven't checked)
18:31 #navit: <@cp15> Replace natural=coastline with place=island and the water will be better
18:33 #navit: < TNing> ok, and how could I do this (sorry for such a stupid question, but I'm really new to this)
18:33 #navit: <@cp15> No OSM experience?
18:33 #navit: < TNing> nope
18:35 #navit: < Usul1> OSM problems I hear?
18:36 #navit:  * Usul1 switches his red alert lights on ;)
18:36 #navit: < tryagain> cp15 it's a multipolygone water area http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1173480
18:36 #navit: <@cp15> Ok, then the natural=coastline tag can be removed
18:37 #navit: <@cp15> The wrong natural=coastline tag from http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/77109043 leads to flooded land in navit
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18:53 #navit: < TNing_> re
18:54 #navit: < TNing_> ok, tell me what I should do now
18:54 #navit: < TNing_> ;-)
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19:02 #navit: <@cp15> tryagain, can you fix it for him? I only have quite slow internet here
19:04 #navit: < tryagain> i'm trying to understand now http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=coastline?uselang=ru . Looks like islands may have a coastline...
19:05 #navit: < tryagain> May be, way direction is the problem? (didnt check it yet)
19:10 #navit: < tryagain> hm looks like rendering at www.openstreetmap.org lacks that isle at all...
19:17 #navit: <@cp15> They may have a coastline, but if they do the sea or ocean must also have one
19:21 #navit: < tryagain> ok. So in our case, I should remove natural=coastline from the 77109043? BTW there's another line drawn other the same nodes, namely http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/76906104 , which is landuse=grass
19:22 #navit: < tryagain> May be simply delete whole way 77109043 and add 76906104 to the relation?
19:23 #navit: < tryagain> Should something be done with outer lake way which is tagged itself as natural=water?
19:31 #navit: <@cp15> May be simply delete whole way 77109043 and add 76906104 to the relation?
19:31 #navit: <@cp15> Makes probably most sense
19:36 #navit: < tryagain> ok, another isle consists of two ways two, one untagged but included into relation, another tagged with landuse=grass, but not included into relation. Will delete untagged one and include the tagged into relation.
19:37 #navit: < tryagain> *two ways too
20:00 #navit: < tryagain> done... let us see if whole Europe would went underwater tomorrow ;)
20:32 #navit: < TNing_> fine, thanks
20:32 #navit: < TNing_> I'll try again now
20:36 #navit: < tryagain> TNing_ not now, please.  The change should be on our map servers by 10:00 UTC.
20:36 #navit: < TNing_> oh, ok
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20:40 #navit: < tryagain> good night
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20:46 #navit: < TNing> time to get some sleep
20:46 #navit: < TNing> thanks for your help cp15 and good night to everybody
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