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09:16 #navit: < Usul1> hi @all
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10:45 #navit: < Usul1> ich meine schon, aber Irrtümer schließe ich prinzipiell bei OSM nicht aus ;)
10:45 #navit: < Usul1> sorry
11:02 #navit: <@cp15> Usul1, good to know :-)
11:02 #navit: < Usul1> hr hr ;)
11:04 #navit: < Usul1> have a nice year NAVIT (BTW) :)
11:06 #navit: <@cp15> Usul1, a happy new year also
11:07 #navit: < Usul1> 29C3 was nice?
11:12 #navit: <@cp15> It was really great... Just one annoyance
11:13 #navit: < Usul1> ?
11:14 #navit: <@cp15> Google for creeper cards
11:15 #navit: < Usul1> humm?
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12:35 #navit: < derFred> moin
12:35 #navit: < derFred> <-- playya
12:35 #navit: < derFred> cp15, already tried to create an apkg to activate the argumented reality feature?
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13:20 #navit: < Usul1> hi derFred :)
13:21 #navit: < derFred> hi
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13:59 #navit: <@cp15> derFred, no, not yet. Do you want to take the task?
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14:52 #navit: < derFred> cp15, i do not have any experience in creating apkgs nor compiling for android
15:05 #navit: < derFred> nor cmake :)
15:07 #navit: < derFred> cp15, what's the problem not to enable camera permission by default?
15:08 #navit: <@cp15> Well, I guess everybody would ask why navigation would require a camera... Possibly for spying?
15:15 #navit: < derFred> If we add it to the description?
15:15 #navit: < derFred> imho android needs a feature to describe the usage for certain permissions
15:22 #navit: < derFred> make apkg fails on my system using cmake
15:36 #navit: <@cp15> What error do you get?
15:38 #navit: <@cp15> I assume you have found this https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Android_development already?
15:41 #navit: < derFred> yes
15:43 #navit: < derFred> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1492316/
15:48 #navit: <@cp15> You need to install the apropriate target in the sdk
15:50 #navit: <@cp15> Run the android command from the sdk and download Android 2.2 (API 8)
15:50 #navit: <@cp15> SDK Platform is sufficient
16:21 #navit: < derFred> anyone tried to build for latest android releases?
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16:22 #navit: <@cp15> Should also work but might bring problems for downward compatibility
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18:24 #navit: < xenos1984> hi everybody
18:42 #navit: < Usul1> hi :)
18:42 #navit:  * Usul1 was playing STK
18:42 #navit: < xenos1984> hi Usul1 ;)
18:43 #navit:  * xenos1984 was playing iceskating with his car on an icy road...
18:48 #navit: < Usul1> ehmm
18:49 #navit: < Usul1> sounds more like tuxracer ;)
18:50 #navit: < Usul1> I tried today some 3D OSM mapping to improve my district
18:50 #navit: < Usul1> but didn't work that well
18:52 #navit: < Usul1> cp15 still skyping this evening? NP if we put it to tomorrow or the weekend
18:52 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i never tried 3D mapping... i guess i would have to measure building height (or at least count levels) to get into the third dimension ;)
18:53 #navit: < xenos1984> although i know some buildings here where it would be nice to see them in 3D, and i know the levels...
18:55 #navit: < Usul1> you got the point
18:56 #navit: < Usul1> here at rostock we got an import by the officials but that wasn't that detailed
18:56 #navit: < Usul1> so now I try to improve it with the schema we developed last year http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_Buildings
18:56 #navit: < xenos1984> any ideas how to map this? http://www.tigutorn.ee/eng/ i guess i need to ask marek kleciak about it ;)
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18:57 #navit: < Usul1> np but depends on what level of detail you want to get
18:57 #navit: < Usul1> but hey today it doesn't worked for me with OSM2World :/
19:03 #navit: < Usul1> think you should start with the tower parts and afterwards the parts on the ground
19:03 #navit: < Usul1> with min_height it's easy to put a top on the top of the top :)
19:03 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i see
19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> well, i think i start with simpler buildings ;)
19:05 #navit: < xenos1984> the soviet architecture was very creative when it comes to... well, cuboids
19:05 #navit: < Usul1> sure, blocks are pretty easy and in masses they look impressive
19:06 #navit: < Usul1> oh come on ;) West Germany wasn't that creative in the 50s anyway
19:07 #navit: < xenos1984> http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/mhohmann/Estland/Winter_3.jpg << so these are already all in OSM, i just need to add height / building levels, and i more or less get a whole suburb :)
19:07 #navit: < xenos1984> i know, i lived in one of those panel buildings in hamburg for 6 years ;)
19:14 #navit: < tryagain> cp15 I gave a test run to the changes. The binfile size has +10Mb, and sk, AT, hu, pl polygons are not broken anymore. Going to commit the change.
19:16 #navit: <@cp15> Sounds great
19:19 #navit: < tryagain> all other countries reported as broken polygons seem to have real problems: syria missing a segment, Israel has not make a decison on East Jerusalem if it's a part of it. And a few similarities.
19:24 #navit: < tryagain> is there anybody willing to fix some country polygons? Links follow:
19:24 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/184840 Broken country p
19:24 #navit: < tryagain> olygon 'sy'
19:25 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/192777 Broken country polygon 'sl'
19:25 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/287083 Broken country polygon 'gy'
19:25 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/364110 Broken country polygon 'az'
19:25 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/536780 Broken country polygon 'sg'
19:26 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1473946 Broken country polygon 'il'
19:26 #navit: < tryagain> OSM Warning:http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1803010 Broken country polygon 'ps'
19:26 #navit: < Usul1> tryagain: never tried fixing borders. Is there an analysing service?
19:28 #navit: < tryagain> I think JOSM should do the task. Looks like we only need to include existing ways into the relations. For israel and az it's much harder though.
19:30 #navit: < Usul1> yes but you do the anlyse job?
19:31 #navit: < Usul1> I only know the polygon analyser but no border analyser
19:31 #navit: < tryagain> 1. They are reported by maptool. 2. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/184840 really has a break
19:31 #navit: < xenos1984> doesn't JOSM show in the relation editor whether a polygon is closed?
19:32 #navit: < tryagain> il has a border line inside its area.
19:32 #navit: < Usul1> yes indeed, but it might fail for to complex relations or transport networks
19:33 #navit: < Usul1> can we create an official HTML report that we can link here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/QA
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19:37 #navit: < tryagain> Currently logs are not published anywhere. And there are some 'false positives' reported by navit. We currently do not process turn restrictions with multiple via members and report them as invalid.
19:37 #navit: < tryagain> ... for example ^^^
19:39 #navit: <@cp15> Are there valid turn restrictions with multiple via members?
19:40 #navit: < tryagain> hm.. I've seen recently a discussion on the subject. And verified with osm wiki that it's really allowed
19:41 #navit: <@cp15> But what sense does it make?
19:41 #navit: < tryagain> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1076
19:41 #navit: < Usul1> do you have an example where maptool triggers on that kind of via "errors" ?
19:42 #navit: < tryagain> hm and another one http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/946
19:42 #navit: < Usul1> ah I see
19:42 #navit: < Usul1> so a single restriction, that is used for lazyness instead of 2..3 simple ones
19:45 #navit: <@cp15> Not really... It is a forbidden u-turn
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19:45 #navit: < dazi> hi
19:45 #navit: <@cp15> But I wonder if this real
19:45 #navit: < Usul1> but could be synthesised by 3 single turns as well, or?
19:46 #navit: < dazi> @cp15: did u receive my mail?
19:46 #navit: < tryagain> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3659 looks to be a bit harder. You cant turn to the left to 4444385 only if you came from 32444707.
19:46 #navit: <@cp15> By two actually... But the effect might be different. You might be allowed to turn left in the lower right corner unless you are coming from the top
19:46 #navit: < tryagain> If you came from peterstrasse you can turn.
19:47 #navit: <@cp15> dazi, yes, I got your mail
19:47 #navit: < Usul1> hmmm
19:47 #navit: < Usul1> tricky
19:47 #navit: <@cp15> dazi, I don't know yet what is wrong, I will try to investigate this at the weekend
19:47 #navit: < tryagain> of course I have not seen that crossing and cant say if that's real
19:48 #navit: < Usul1> If you like I could give the Achen community a ping to ask them for the meaning?
19:48 #navit: <@cp15> It might be related to the traffic light phases
19:49 #navit: <@cp15> The traffic light in the right upper corner might show green for a right turn coming from the right
19:49 #navit: <@cp15> The traffic light in the left upper corner might also show green
19:50 #navit: <@cp15> If you do an u-turn you might cause a crash
19:51 #navit: <@cp15> On the other hand: If you just join the two via segments everything will be fine :-)
19:52 #navit: < Usul1> ;)
19:53 #navit: < Usul1> okso time for me
19:53 #navit: < Usul1> cya
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19:54 #navit: < dazi> cp15: I dnt want to disturb any further. yust wanted to know if the mail arrived. I will send u an update on that by mail. Bye
19:55 #navit: <@cp15> dazi, thanks for your help
19:55 #navit: < dazi> most welcome .-)
19:55 #navit: < dazi> :-)
19:55 #navit: < dazi> Bye
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