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14:09 #navit: < fjallagyldir> hei together
14:09 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i stuck a little bit in getting navit to work
14:10 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i downloaded OSM, but dont get any map in NAVIT
14:10 #navit: < woglinde> okay which device?
14:14 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i'm on archlinux with a cp210x USB GPSmouse
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14:17 #navit: < fjallagyldir> but the first main problem is: i don t see any map
14:18 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i took the standard navit.xml, copied in my home and adopted it like in the wiki said
14:19 #navit: < woglinde> sure and where did you specified the map?
14:19 #navit: < woglinde> go to internal gui
14:19 #navit: < woglinde> there is settings or map
14:19 #navit: < woglinde> and in the details it shows you which map is active
14:20 #navit: < woglinde> if there is none
14:20 #navit: < woglinde> so you have no map
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14:22 #navit: < fjallagyldir> also in the navit.xml like <!-- Mapset template for openstreetmaps -->
14:22 #navit: < fjallagyldir>                 <mapset enabled="yes">
14:22 #navit: < fjallagyldir>                         <map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="/home/user/.navit/maps/wien.bin               </mapset>
14:22 #navit: < woglinde> fjallagyldir good did you made sure that only one mapset is enabled?
14:22 #navit: < fjallagyldir> check
14:22 #navit: < woglinde> btw.
14:23 #navit: < woglinde> <map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="/home/user/.navit/maps/wien.bin is not correct
14:23 #navit: < woglinde> endind tags are missing
14:23 #navit: < woglinde> or did you shorten it?
14:25 #navit: < fjallagyldir> mom
14:26 #navit: < woglinde> " and > are missing
14:26 #navit: < woglinde> or /> better
14:28 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok is there, but still no map
14:28 #navit: < woglinde> okay
14:28 #navit: < woglinde> try a search
14:28 #navit: < woglinde> when you find something in austria map is activated
14:28 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i did
14:28 #navit: < fjallagyldir> got the map
14:30 #navit: < woglinde> find
14:30 #navit: < woglinde> ups fine
14:30 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok now i have to get the GPS to work
14:30 #navit: < woglinde> sure
14:30 #navit: < woglinde> best practice is to have gpsd running
14:30 #navit: < woglinde> do you have gpsd running? pointing to right serial device?
14:31 #navit: < fjallagyldir> my USB GPS is recogniced according to dmsg /dev/ttyUSB0
14:31 #navit: < woglinde> because its usb it might be changing all the time
14:31 #navit: < woglinde> you could make an udev rule which provides you /dev/gpsdevice
14:31 #navit: < woglinde> but thats adnvaced setup
14:31 #navit: < fjallagyldir> hmm i have no expierience with gpsd
14:31 #navit: < woglinde> okay than configure gpsd to use /dev/ttyUSB0
14:32 #navit: < woglinde> that start cgps
14:32 #navit: < fjallagyldir> any step by step howtos in the net? couldn t find some
14:32 #navit: < woglinde> which is console programm to see if you get output
14:32 #navit: < fjallagyldir> good question
14:33 #navit: < woglinde> ?
14:33 #navit: < fjallagyldir> it should be enough to start gpsd /dev/ttyUSB0
14:33 #navit: < woglinde> I do not know how gentoo makes the config
14:33 #navit: < woglinde> I could tell you for ubuntu or debian
14:34 #navit: < fjallagyldir> well sitting on arch ;-)
14:34 #navit: < woglinde> the package should have config files and start scripts
14:34 #navit: < woglinde> or arch
14:35 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok i dont get a fix ...
14:35 #navit: < fjallagyldir> http://privatepaste.com/2ce6655b36
14:37 #navit: < fjallagyldir> just in case, where are you from? only to check if we talk the right language
14:39 #navit: < woglinde> sorry have to go now
14:39 #navit: < woglinde> I am back at 8 p.m. or so
14:39 #navit: < fjallagyldir> hmm what a pitty
14:39 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok
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14:49 #navit: < fjallagyldir> anyone else here can halp me getting GPS to run
14:51 #navit: <@cp15> Where is the problem?
14:52 #navit: < fjallagyldir> first i'm not shure if i get the gps data at all from the USB GPS mouse
14:52 #navit: < fjallagyldir> and second, how to implement it in navit
14:52 #navit: <@cp15> Ok, try the following:
14:52 #navit: <@cp15> stty raw 4800 </dev/ttyUSB0
14:52 #navit: <@cp15> cat </dev/ttyUSB0
14:52 #navit: <@cp15> Does it show something?
14:52 #navit: <@cp15> You might need root for this
14:53 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes it gives out coordinats
14:54 #navit: < fjallagyldir> http://privatepaste.com/879378d005
14:54 #navit: <@cp15> Doesn't look that bad
14:55 #navit: <@cp15> Do you need root to do this or is the user you intend to run navit capable of doing it?
14:55 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yeah therfore it's recogniced and a device is created i thought so
14:55 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i need root
14:55 #navit: <@cp15> Ok, then run gpsd /dev/ttyUSB0 as root
14:56 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes
14:57 #navit: <@cp15> Check with cgps (as normal user) whether you will get a fix
14:57 #navit: < fjallagyldir> nope
14:58 #navit: <@cp15> Hmm... Then gpsd seems broken
14:58 #navit: < fjallagyldir> neither as root
14:58 #navit: <@cp15> Kill gpsd, do a chown your_normal_user /dev/ttyUSB0
14:59 #navit: <@cp15> Open your navit.xml, search for gpsd://localhost and replace it with file:/dev/ttyUSB0
14:59 #navit: < fjallagyldir> no i just added my user to uucp group and can now talk to /dev/ttyUSB0
14:59 #navit: <@cp15> Even better
14:59 #navit: < fjallagyldir> little cleaner way
15:02 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok not very accurate, but i have obvisually a signal (it shows a blue circle)
15:04 #navit: <@cp15> If you enter the menu and go to actions, are the coordinates below the car matching your location?
15:12 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes matching position, but its not very accurate
15:13 #navit: < fjallagyldir> brb
15:37 #navit: < fjallagyldir> so re
15:38 #navit: < fjallagyldir> coffee finished ;-)
15:41 #navit: <@cp15> What do you mean by "not very accurate"?
15:43 #navit: < fjallagyldir> well the shown pos differs from the real one about 30 m
15:43 #navit: <@cp15> Are you using the gps indoors?
15:43 #navit: < fjallagyldir> more or less i put outside the window
15:44 #navit: < fjallagyldir> probably better real outside, but the other ones garmin gpsmap 60 is very accurate as well in the sam pos
15:45 #navit: <@cp15> Than this isn't unusual. The gps signals are getting reflected by the walls and so the calculated distance to the satellites is wrong
15:47 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes i assume so too
15:47 #navit: < fjallagyldir> now im looking for some more sophisticated gui s
15:49 #navit: <@cp15> :-) If you have a suggestion how to do it better you are welcome
15:49 #navit: < fjallagyldir> well, i would have many suggestions, but i think it would be to much effort
15:50 #navit: < fjallagyldir> cause what i'm looking for is kinda professional nav software like TTQV but on linux
15:50 #navit: <@cp15> Depends :-) There is a wiki page for collecting ideas at http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Brainstorming
15:50 #navit: < fjallagyldir> on and offroad including rastermaps etc ...
15:50 #navit: <@cp15> Navit can also do rastermaps
15:51 #navit: < fjallagyldir> in 3D toppographic?
15:51 #navit: < fjallagyldir> with TCM? sattelite overlay
15:51 #navit: <@cp15> Right now only "flat" maps
15:52 #navit: <@cp15> TCM?
15:52 #navit: < fjallagyldir> to make it a little bit easier to understand
15:52 #navit: < fjallagyldir> Traffic Control Messaging
15:53 #navit: < fjallagyldir> i'm driving in offroad competitions and trophies, therfor i want to use it
15:53 #navit: < fjallagyldir> something like cmaeltrophy, paris dakar, ... but not as big
15:53 #navit: < fjallagyldir> for example: http://www.superkarpata.com/
15:54 #navit: <@cp15> You mean TMC? Traffic Message Channel?
15:54 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes sorry
15:55 #navit: <@cp15> I have a suzuki samurai
15:55 #navit: < fjallagyldir> here landrover defender ... ;-)
15:55 #navit: < fjallagyldir> so you know why i need hightprofiles and things like that ;-)
15:57 #navit: <@cp15> Navit can also create a height profile of a route, but you need a heightline map for this
15:58 #navit: < fjallagyldir> ok interesting to know
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16:01 #navit: <@cp15> Something like real 3d maps (with height) is in the works, but I don't think it will be ready for the superkarpata
16:03 #navit: < fjallagyldir> now i dont need this year. we still run on TTQV but i want to change that, cause i hate windows
16:03 #navit: <@cp15> Do you have a toughbook on board?
16:03 #navit: < fjallagyldir> yes
16:04 #navit: <@cp15> Well, add your wishes to the brainstorming page and we will see :-)
16:05 #navit: < fjallagyldir> *sss* well maybe i will
16:07 #navit: < fjallagyldir> is there a possibility to search for zip-codes?
16:11 #navit: < fjallagyldir> any ideas for TMC
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16:23 #navit: <@cp15> Not yet... I haven't found it useful
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19:40 #navit: < xenos1984> hi everybody
19:42 #navit: < tryagain> hi
19:45 #navit: < woglinde> hi xenos
19:45 #navit: < woglinde> tryagain is arizona now fixed?
19:46 #navit: < xenos1984> hi tryagain & woglinde
19:48 #navit: < tryagain> we were having problems applying osm diffs when maptool were crashing. And it seems to crash too often :(
19:49 #navit: < tryagain> so our planet.o5m did not have recent changes
19:49 #navit: < woglinde> ah okay
19:54 #navit: < tryagain> backtrace is here. looks like memory corruption in some other place, isn't it?
19:54 #navit: < tryagain> http://pastebin.com/AtbZ0ee9
19:55 #navit: < tryagain> :)
20:02 #navit: < woglinde> hm is_in
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20:10 #navit: < tryagain> looks like de border was broken as well as few others. Unsure if these crashes are related. It definitely shouldnt crash even if all borders get broken.
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20:18 #navit: < woglinde> fix it
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21:36 #navit: < tryagain> hm valgrind reports nothing besides the point of final crash. I was expected to have receeding memory corruption report. http://pastebin.com/XCUZ4gFx
21:36 #navit: < tryagain> *i have
21:36 #navit: < tryagain> goodnight
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22:00 #navit: < dazi> hi
22:03 #navit: < woglinde> hi
22:08 #navit: < dazi> in the navit.xml there is a html-part. it seems to be activated but it does not take effect
22:10 #navit: < dazi> the html part is embedded into a gui-tag which is enabled. but the menue names from the html-tags are not shown
22:11 #navit: < dazi> instead the menu names are in german
22:11 #navit: < dazi> what is the intention of that html-part
22:12 #navit: < dazi> how can it be activated?
22:12 #navit: < dazi> or .... why is not active?
22:12 #navit: < woglinde> P
22:12 #navit: < woglinde> ?
22:13 #navit: < woglinde> can you pastebin the lines which are confusing you?
22:13 #navit: < dazi> aha :-)
22:13 #navit: < dazi> sure
22:13 #navit: < dazi> the first three lines:
22:14 #navit: < dazi> <gui type="internal" enabled="yes" fullscreen="0"><![CDATA[
22:14 #navit: < dazi> 			<html> 	
22:14 #navit: < dazi> 			<a name='Main Menu'><text>Main menu</text>
22:15 #navit: < dazi> then there are other items ... all from the main menu
22:16 #navit: < dazi> Actions, Setting, Tools etc
22:17 #navit: < woglinde> yes they are describing the internal gui
22:17 #navit: < dazi> I would have expected the main menu in english. But instead it is in german.
22:17 #navit: < woglinde> check your locale set
22:17 #navit: < woglinde> as always
22:17 #navit: < dazi> When I open the main menu then it is displayed: Aktionen, Einstellungen etc
22:17 #navit: < woglinde> start navit this way LANG=C navit and check again
22:18 #navit: < dazi> ???
22:18 #navit: < dazi> im on windows
22:18 #navit: < woglinde> ah
22:19 #navit: < dazi> i dnt know if there is a way to start a program with parameters
22:19 #navit: < woglinde> you could set the locale in the navit.xml too
22:19 #navit: < woglinde> or in the gui
22:19 #navit: < dazi> shouldn't there be a way to set it inside the xml?
22:21 #navit: < dazi> what is the name of the tag?
22:22 #navit: < dazi> the only "local" i can find is: vehicle name="Local GPS"
22:22 #navit: < woglinde> hm intressting
22:22 #navit: < woglinde> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/NavitConfigurator
22:23 #navit: < woglinde> ah there it was
22:24 #navit: < woglinde>  language="en_US"
22:24 #navit: < woglinde> ups
22:24 #navit: < woglinde> search <config xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude">
22:24 #navit: < woglinde> sand replace it with
22:24 #navit: < woglinde> search <config xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude" language="en_US">
22:24 #navit: < woglinde> that should make it english
22:25 #navit: < dazi> i i dnt want to make it in english :-)
22:26 #navit: < dazi> I would liketo activate that html-part ... as this seems to describe the main menu.
22:27 #navit: < dazi> in case i can activate it, then i can reduce the menu-items, or rearange them
22:33 #navit: < dazi> are u using navit?
22:41 #navit: < woglinde> ?
22:41 #navit: < woglinde> than do it
22:41 #navit: < woglinde> than I do not understand your problem
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22:44 #navit: < woglinde> re
22:44 #navit: < woglinde> sorry will go to sleep now
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