--- Log opened Sun Mar 03 00:00:13 2013 00:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: latouche 00:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: latouche 04:04 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:33a6::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:09 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2002:5ce0:3d7e::1] has joined #navit 06:17 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.20] has joined #navit 06:23 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has joined #navit 06:54 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5396 /trunk/navit/navit/maptool/osm.c: Add:maptool:Extend experimental feature by including more town boundaries defined as multipolygons. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5396 07:40 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has joined #navit 08:26 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 09:32 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 09:35 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052225217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 09:43 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052225217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:44 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 13:55 -!- tryagain_ [~tryagain@178.216.76.20] has joined #navit 14:01 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: tryagain 14:46 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47 -!- KaZeR_W [~Z30@77.242.201.49] has joined #navit 15:10 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052225217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 15:16 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@192-213-131-46-dyn.internet.emt.ee] has joined #navit 15:27 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 16:32 -!- Brinky [brinky@faui2k3.org] has joined #navit 16:34 -mrmist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mrmist)- [Global Notice] - If you have an old nickserv account with us, please take a few moments to check that you have a valid email listed in /msg nickserv info. 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Apparently 100s of email changes at once doesn't work so well.... 17:07 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 18:22 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-103-207.ras.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 18:22 #navit: < Usul1> hi everybody :) 18:22 #navit: < Usul1> I'm still tuning my navit.xml, now the OSD ;) 18:23 #navit: < xenos1984> hi Usul1, hope you have fun ;) i also played around with OSD once 18:23 #navit: < Usul1> yeah, the abilities are quiet impressive :) 18:24 #navit: < Usul1> but I tried to make the zoom-icons a bit bigger but that simplly doesn't work 18:24 #navit: < Usul1> any suggestions? 18:24 #navit: < tryagain_> how hav you tired that? 18:24 #navit: < tryagain_> *have 18:24 #navit: < tryagain_> *tried 18:24 #navit: < tryagain_> :) 18:25 #navit: < Usul1> I tried :P 18:25 #navit: < xenos1984> i think they are png images - at least the ones i used... i simply made new pngs in the correct size ;) but might also be that there are svg images as well now 18:26 #navit: < Usul1> yes that would be an workaround 18:27 #navit: < Usul1> but I was confused, was every osd widget should support the w,h attributes? 18:27 #navit: < tryagain_> svgs are supported only at linux (and probably on some other, less widespread platforms) No svgs for android and win* 18:28 #navit: < Usul1> sadly I have no clue if the provide the .PNG or .SVG here at the pandora package :/ 18:30 #navit: < tryagain_> they should be under xpm folder. Quite surprising name, isnt it? :) 18:30 #navit: < xenos1984> i think you can see what gets loaded if you set the log level for the osd plugin to >= 1 18:32 #navit: < Usul1> ahhhh :( 18:32 #navit: < Usul1> @tryagain I talked with cp15 about an refactoring/splitting of the SVN repo already ;) 18:33 #navit: < tryagain_> try adding width and height sizes to icon name. For example, use gui_zoom_40_40 instead of gui_zoom.png . Extension will be guessed, and, if no exact size image exist, default image will be scaled appropriately. 18:36 #navit: < Usul1> suprisingly this one worked oO 18:36 #navit: < Usul1> what ....the ... helll ... :/ 18:37 #navit: < Usul1> anybody an idea, why it has to be encoded in that way? 18:40 #navit: < tryagain_> actually, width and height probably should have been accepted form w and h parameters. That way is universal thourh whole navit and can be used with any item where you cant specify w and h. 18:42 #navit: < Usul1> so there needs to be an fix, that h,w still take effect on images instead of encoding it with names 18:53 -!- jan [d9eb72f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.235.114.246] has joined #navit 18:53 #navit: < jan> hi 18:54 #navit: < Usul1> hi jan :) 18:54 #navit: < woglinde> hi jan 18:54 #navit: * Usul1 has taken the lead ;) 18:55 #navit: < woglinde> lol 18:57 #navit: < Usul1> I'm thinking about that we might ask external designers for an cooperate map icon package for navit? 18:58 #navit: < jan> i'm happy with navit on my Palm Pre2, but i'll buy a 2nd-hand iPhone 4S soon. So i want to use navit there too. But i don't know how to install it without jailbreak. On the iPhone-Project-page is written "Submit yout UDID", but how to submit? 18:59 #navit: < Usul1> sorry Jan, I'm not an apple user. Anybody else? 19:01 #navit: < jan> i mean, the question is not how to get the udid. How to submit it to the project-page, i didn't find a way to submit it 19:01 #navit: < woglinde> jan cp15 can sign you a package 19:02 #navit: < woglinde> so you do not need to jailbreak 19:02 #navit: < woglinde> but i forgot what he needs 19:02 #navit: < jan> how to get contact to cp15? with this irc-channel? 19:03 #navit: < xenos1984> Usul1: or we just sit together and draw some icons? ;) i already started doing that for garmin maps... 19:04 #navit: < jan> @xenos1984 i think i read your name with the project navitom, rite? 19:04 #navit: < Usul1> do you dare to do this for a whole map? ;) 19:04 #navit: < woglinde> hm whats wrong with the wiki? 19:04 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: yes, i made that one 19:05 #navit: < woglinde> cp15 at navit-project.org 19:05 #navit: < Usul1> don't know why but since a few days it has some downtimes for several minutes 19:05 #navit: < jan> @woglinde thanks for the info 19:06 #navit: < xenos1984> Usul1: why not? ;) well, my icons are monochrome (one color for each category - recreation, shops, transportation, landmarks...) and max. 16 * 16, so really simple 19:06 #navit: < jan> @xenos1984 may i ask about the navitom-project? 19:06 #navit: < Usul1> drawing icons is IMHO not THAAAAT simple (at least for me) ;) 19:06 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: sure :) 19:06 #navit: * Usul1 paused discussion 19:07 #navit: < xenos1984> well, i "draw" icons with a text editor... actually it's a .txt source file for mkgmap 19:08 #navit: < xenos1984> i just have to answer the question "should that pixel be on or off?" 256 times, so there's not so many options ;) 19:08 #navit: < jan> i'm using a TomTom One XL (maybe a rare model, because i only can find TomTom One or TomTom XL at moment). I've installed navitom on that TomTom and i can also start up navit. But once i want to type in an address for navigate, navit crashes. I'm using maps from openstreetmap.org (special for navit) 19:08 #navit: < Usul1> I see :) But we shouldn't use this pixel technique for scalable icons :/ 19:09 #navit: < xenos1984> right, i also used to draw svg icons (with a text editor as well...) 19:09 #navit: < Usul1> Was one of my very first campaignes at OSM ;) wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons 19:09 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: hm... do you think you can create a debug log? would be good to see where exactly it crashes 19:10 #navit: < Usul1> sadly not that successfull ;) 19:10 #navit: < xenos1984> Usul1: oh, didn't even know that one - i should look deeper into that :) 19:11 #navit: < Usul1> It's not that easy to promote changes in osm official components, you know ;) 19:12 #navit: < xenos1984> yeah, that's true ;) 19:12 #navit: < Usul1> But maybe here is a wonderfull chance to attract new artists for Navit? 19:12 #navit: < jan> xenos1984: how to get debug-log? do i need to configure that before crash? Or just get a file? 19:14 #navit: < jan> xenos1984: mail is xenox1984 at navit-project.org? should i send the logfile there? 19:15 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: do you know how to edit the navit.xml? there is an option where you configure the log file name and what exactly shows up there 19:16 #navit: < xenos1984> in my binary package it should already be configured to create a log file somewhere in the navit folder on your tomtom, but only with minimal debug info 19:17 #navit: < jan> i think there are different navit.xml-files with different resolution. Don't have the filesystem of the tomtom here at moment. what do i need to set in the navit.xml-file for debug? 19:18 #navit: < Usul1> I guess we should update our documentation about this aspect :/ http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration#Debugging 19:20 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: one of those xml files should contain something like this: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/TomTom_development#Debugging_Navit 19:20 #navit: < xenos1984> Usul1: indeed ;) 19:20 #navit: < Usul1> maybe just taging your paragraph there? 19:21 #navit: < Usul1> (if Jan finished reading ;)) 19:21 #navit: < xenos1984> jan: in your case i would set the debug level for "navit" to 1, or maybe even something higher 19:22 #navit: < xenos1984> maybe the first part of my paragraph, the code line below is rather tomtom specific 19:22 #navit: < xenos1984> but may be adapted 19:22 #navit: < Usul1> you like to do this job in the next days? O:-) 19:22 #navit: < jan> at the navit-folder is a file called navit.log; there was written the configuration file is named navit480.xml 19:23 #navit: < jan> i've set the debug-level to 1 for all debug-options. 19:23 #navit: < jan> just rebooting the tomtom, will take a few mins :-) 19:23 #navit: < jan> i'll need the logfile in the navit-folder? /navit/navit.log 19:25 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, this is the log file navit creates when it runs 19:26 #navit: < xenos1984> you can post it to pastebin (see the link in the channel topic) an then paste your link here 19:28 #navit: < jan> i noticed that navit is very slow when debug-level is 1, is that correct? 19:31 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, it writes quite a lot of debug output to that file 19:31 #navit: < xenos1984> and that takes time ;) 19:32 #navit: < jan> every action needs 2 mins to react.. funny 19:33 #navit: < jan> when i start navit, i can see map informations already, so i'm thinking the map should be good. I'm using the same maps with my Pre2 too and it works fine there. just when i want to type an address to navigate there, the first letter gets gray background and then it crashes. actually i arrived that point right now and it crashed 19:34 #navit: < jan> logfile will arrive soon 19:36 #navit: < jan> http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=URCmnzQM 19:40 #navit: < Usul1> hmm anybody uses keyboard shortcuts (aka accesskey property) in Navit? Seems to be broken here 19:41 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... the log does not really give a reason for the crash... 19:41 #navit: < jan> keyboard shortcuts? i just typed the letter C on the virtual keyboard 19:41 #navit: < jan> and after any seconds, the TomTom reboots 19:41 #navit: < Usul1> I'd like to assign an function to a device button 19:42 #navit: * Usul1 is working on a setup for OpenPandora device 19:42 #navit: < jan> i tried smaller map-file (only germany, also bavaria only) but the same result 19:43 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... need to go for now, but i can have a look tomorrow 19:43 #navit: < xenos1984> gn8 19:43 #navit: < Usul1> cya 19:43 #navit: < jan> gn8 19:43 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@192-213-131-46-dyn.internet.emt.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45 #navit: < Usul1> damn, was my fault, I missed the ; char :( 19:45 #navit: < tryagain_> jan what svn version do you use? 19:45 #navit: < Usul1> 5339 19:46 #navit: < tryagain_> jan and what is RAM size of your device? 19:46 #navit: < Usul1> hmm damn, it loads navit, but doesn't bind the keys ... :/ 19:47 #navit: < tryagain_> Usul1 is that jan' version of navit or yours? 19:47 #navit: < jan> need to reboot the tomtom, need a while 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> tryagain_: sry was my own :( 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> guess it's easy if I leave you alone :) 19:47 #navit: < jan> actually i don't know the ram-size of my tomtom. it's the TomTom One XL 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> will spend some more time on setting the keys 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> cya 19:48 #navit: < tryagain_> cya 19:48 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-103-207.ras.uni-rostock.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48 #navit: < jan> i'm using that download-link: http://www.navit-project.org/~xenos1984/release/navitom.5278.tar.gz 19:49 #navit: < jan> is the 5278 the svn you want to know? 19:49 #navit: < tryagain_> this device? http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2007/06/tomtom_one_xl_review.php#.UTOpHxx6PLg it seems to have only 32M of RAM... 19:50 #navit: < tryagain_> 5278 looks like the number i was willing to know.... 19:50 #navit: < jan> yes, that device 19:50 #navit: < jan> wow, 32 MB are quite small 19:50 #navit: < jan> Navit 0.5.0 5278 is written in "about" 19:53 #navit: < tryagain_> you may try using 5393 or fresher. Then you will be able to reduce cache size and decrease memory requirements. 19:53 #navit: < jan> memory-shortage? 19:54 #navit: < jan> but there's no 5393 in the download-area at xenos1984.. 19:58 #navit: < tryagain_> hm then please ask xenos1984 to build a new release... The key to reduce cache size would be cache_size= of tag. 19:59 #navit: < jan> i see. the key cache_size means that the map-file will be cached in RAM. And in my case the RAM is very small so it's running out of ram 20:03 #navit: < tryagain_> yes 20:04 #navit: < jan> thanks for explain that to me 20:04 #navit: < tryagain_> np 20:05 #navit: < jan> i can't set this key within the navit.xml? 20:06 #navit: < tryagain_> that is a new key added in svn 5393 and it looks to have a default of 1 megabyte. 20:07 #navit: < jan> ah, i see. the version i use doesn't have that key 20:08 #navit: < tryagain_> it will not exist even in a newer build, but newer build will accept if you add it manually. 20:09 #navit: < jan> the power-key is not working within navit? actually i want to quit the application, but the tomtom hang, funny 20:11 #navit: < tryagain_> hm, unsure. To exit navit, you can send an operatiing system close window signal (alt-f4, click a cross in the window upper right corner, and whaever is appropriate in your OS), or use menu. 20:11 #navit: < tryagain_> *whatever 20:13 #navit: < jan> the tomtom-os is not so flexible to send this command to app. am not sure, if the navigation-app is still working in background, when navit is running. On my pre2 it works fine and i can close with different method. just TomTom is a bit "not normal" 20:19 -!- www [~xdccMule@dynamic-adsl-78-13-211-251.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #navit 20:19 #navit: < www> Ciao a tutti :P 20:19 #navit: < tryagain_> hm closing all other possible applications might be a good help to avoid crashes 20:20 #navit: < tryagain_> hi www 20:20 -!- www [~xdccMule@dynamic-adsl-78-13-211-251.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20 #navit: < tryagain_> hm 20:21 #navit: < jan> actually yes. all other apps should be closed, actually the os of the tomtom is not really feeling like a real os 20:21 #navit: < jan> i just can start up navit and then i don't know what happens 20:30 #navit: < tryagain_> does it automatically run navigation when you boot it? If not, i hope it will not run it when you start navit... 20:37 #navit: < jan> no, when the tomtom is booting, the tomtom-app will start. developer-hacks are making navit available (what is not possible with newer devices running newer firmware) 20:37 #navit: < jan> it's possible to launch navit through icon 20:43 -!- jan [d9eb72f6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.235.114.246] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:32 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-178-202-247-64.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33 -!- tryagain_ [~tryagain@178.216.76.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B493D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 23:16 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052225217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] --- Log closed Mon Mar 04 00:00:13 2013