--- Log opened Tue May 28 00:00:19 2013 00:38 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5519.failed 01:42 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 02:21 -!- cp15 [jyeclg@p57B1DB49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25 -!- cp15 [qqxrlf@p57B1DDB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:25 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 03:02 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@f054121184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:06 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224058105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 04:18 -!- merlijn [merlijn@xonotic/core-team/merlijn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24 -!- merlijn [merlijn@xonotic/core-team/merlijn] has joined #navit 06:17 -!- Chat8452 [~Chat8452@app6.chatmosphere.org] has joined #navit 06:19 -!- Chat8452 [~Chat8452@app6.chatmosphere.org] has quit [Client Quit] 06:20 -!- Chat8452 [~Chat8452@69.41.182.130] has joined #navit 06:21 -!- Chat8452 [~Chat8452@69.41.182.130] has quit [Client Quit] 06:42 -!- Tauso [~Thunderbi@line1.magix.net] has joined #navit 06:49 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 07:45 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b4f9:9d9d:aeee:f14b] has joined #navit 07:46 #navit: < Usul1> hi everybody :) 07:51 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b4f9:9d9d:aeee:f14b] has left #navit [] 09:55 -!- user00136 [d5de5127@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.81.39] has joined #navit 09:55 #navit: < user00136> hi 09:56 #navit: < user00136> Does anyone know if using navit on android and google maps is supposed to work ? 09:57 #navit: < xenos1984> it should work on android, but with openstreetmap instead of google maps 09:57 #navit: < user00136> I have a galaxy s3. I try to set a destination from google maps, to be used in navit, but it does not seem to work 09:57 #navit: < user00136> ok 09:57 #navit: < user00136> so I should download openstreetmap for android ? 09:57 #navit: < xenos1984> you can download a map directly in navit 09:58 #navit: < user00136> Oh i see 09:58 #navit: < xenos1984> if you press the menu button there should be an option "download maps" 09:58 #navit: < user00136> So if I need to set a destination, I can only set it from the navit internal osm, then 09:59 #navit: < xenos1984> yes 10:00 #navit: < xenos1984> at least that's the only possibility i know 10:00 #navit: < xenos1984> i don't have much experience with android, though 10:01 #navit: < user00136> Ok, Thank you very much for your help. Actually, I was looking the following page ; http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Android. And there was a part dealing with "Launch via google" 10:01 #navit: < user00136> But It does not seem to work 10:02 #navit: < user00136> Never mind, for now I got to go. 10:02 #navit: < user00136> Bye and have a nice day 10:03 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:04 #navit: < xenos1984> you too, and have fun! 10:05 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, right 10:05 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess you already have a default navi app 10:05 #navit: < xenos1984> i tried this once and android asked me whether to use google maps or navit to navigate 10:06 #navit: < xenos1984> this must be somewhere in the android settings 11:08 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 12:13 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 14:16 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224058105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 249 seconds] 14:16 -!- noradtux_ [~noradtux@g224058105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 14:17 -!- noradtux_ is now known as noradtux 14:27 -!- Tauso [~Thunderbi@line1.magix.net] has quit [Quit: Tauso] 15:30 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has joined #navit 15:38 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-104-118.ras.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 15:38 #navit: < Usul1> Hi folks :) 15:38 #navit: < Usul1> ping xenos1984 :P 15:38 #navit: < xenos1984> hi Usul1 ;) 15:38 #navit: < tryagain> hi Usul1 15:39 #navit: < xenos1984> how is your thesis going? 15:39 #navit: < Usul1> well 15:39 #navit: < Usul1> it's.. 15:39 #navit: < Usul1> somewhat going ;) 15:39 #navit: < Usul1> 6 weeks left ... 15:39 #navit: < xenos1984> i keep my fingers crossed ;) 15:40 #navit: < Usul1> thx :) 15:40 #navit: < Usul1> last week somebody kicked me to www.producingoss.org 15:41 #navit: < Usul1> So what I figured out, is that cp15 is doing just to much alone ;) 15:42 #navit: < tryagain> then kick off your thesis and help him ;) 15:42 #navit: < Usul1> well I will spend 3 month in portugal from Sept-Dec and hope to spend some more time on navit 15:42 #navit: < Usul1> indeed I kicked most of my OSM acitivies (most organisational related) 15:43 #navit: < Usul1> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Usul/Disburden_cp15 just a few ideas... 15:43 #navit: < Usul1> feel free to add more details or write down what you like to do (someday) :) 15:43 #navit: < xenos1984> i hope that i can also do a bit more on navit soon... i'll try to port it to ubuntu touch :) (or maybe it compiles out of the box already...) 15:44 #navit: < Usul1> would be nice :) 15:44 #navit: < tryagain> sounds really great 15:45 #navit: < Usul1> what I learned the past months, is that should really consolidate (less GUIs officiall supported), clean up (no legacy code/docs/res) and automate (public build server, relase and testing) 15:45 #navit: < Usul1> but I know it needs time to discuss and introduce such processes 15:49 #navit: < xenos1984> looks like a good list of points - and a lot of work to be done ;) 15:49 #navit: < Usul1> IMHO a very good first step would be to leave all sf.net services and do a switch to git 15:49 #navit: < Usul1> I would like to learn how to contribute by doing some minor edits (removing old docs, liften the config, ...) 15:50 #navit: < Usul1> AFAIK currently we have no chance to discuss such changes, right? 15:50 #navit: < xenos1984> what would be the advantage of git over sf.net's svn? 15:51 #navit: < Usul1> basically it's (small) different paradigm 15:51 #navit: < xenos1984> if there is any place to discuss these changes, it's probably here ;) 15:51 #navit: < Usul1> but to be short: it differs between commits and uploads 15:52 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see, i think i read about this 15:52 #navit: < Usul1> so you can commit on your local repo, and combine all the changes in one single commit to the upstream 15:52 #navit: < xenos1984> pull, push, merge... 15:52 #navit: < Usul1> yep 15:52 #navit: < Usul1> beside it gives you good ways to manage different lifecycles of the project 15:53 #navit: < Usul1> so bugfixes, features, .... releases 15:53 #navit: < Usul1> you can share the code with others, without needing to glue it into the mainstream repo 15:53 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... sounds interesting 15:53 #navit: < Usul1> so forking is become more "popular" ;) 15:54 #navit: < Usul1> and it encourages you to commit smaller changes 15:54 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i see 15:55 #navit: < xenos1984> does it also create new version numbers / log entries for these smaller changes or only for a bulk upload? 15:55 #navit: < Usul1> later on this can be combined with a commit platform (e.g. gerrit or github) to manage reviewing commits in a team and we might add a build server for testing/releasing (e.g. Jenkins) 15:56 #navit: < Usul1> AFAIK it's mostly hashes between the repos and only formal merges result in real versions 15:56 #navit: < Usul1> but im def. not a git pro ;) 15:56 #navit: < xenos1984> ah... 15:57 #navit: < xenos1984> well, i never really used git before ;) i only know about cvs and svn 15:57 #navit: < Usul1> you might like it 15:57 #navit: < Usul1> If you like, try it: http://openhatch.org/missions/git 15:58 #navit: < Usul1> There is a pretty nice extension: https://github.com/nvie/gitflow 15:59 #navit: < Usul1> That basically introduces some generic schemes to add feature/bug/... branches very easily 15:59 #navit: < Usul1> but to be honest, at least I need to try it before telling if it's good or bad ;) 16:01 #navit: < xenos1984> the idea is quite nice - so with git one can do several commit several changes while working offline, and then upload them all together 16:01 #navit: < xenos1984> i should have used this when i was still on dialup ;) 16:03 #navit: < Usul1> yes and AFAIK it does better compression than SVN ;) 16:06 #navit: < xenos1984> would also have been good on dialup :P 16:06 #navit: < Usul1> :) 16:06 #navit: < Usul1> What I still doesn't understand is the whole crosscompiling case 16:06 #navit: < Usul1> so how does cmake, autogen, ifdef, libs, ... all play together 16:07 #navit: < Usul1> any good docs on this? 16:07 #navit: < Usul1> maybe I should start with the basics of coding C in Linux -.- 16:08 #navit: < xenos1984> i have 0 experience with cmake... but i did quite a lot with autotools 16:09 #navit: < xenos1984> so basically they provide a tool to automatically create a configure script, which in turn creates makefiles for different target platforms 16:10 #navit: < Usul1> so where does make end and configure comes in? oO 16:10 #navit: < xenos1984> you just need to tell them which tests this configure script should run and what it should do if it finds certain compilers, libraries, command line parameters... 16:11 #navit: < xenos1984> make needs a makefile which says what needs to be done, configure creates this makefile 16:12 #navit: < Usul1> so configure is about evaluatiing the build environment only? 16:13 #navit: < xenos1984> mainly, but not only 16:13 #navit: < Usul1> allways sounded difficult to me 16:13 #navit: < Usul1> because why does it need to consider all the flags etc? 16:13 #navit: < xenos1984> you can also specify build options, such as program options, which parts of the program to build etc. 16:14 #navit: < xenos1984> actually it's not that difficult :) 16:14 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, and you can also specify if you wish to cross compile 16:15 #navit: < xenos1984> so for the tomtom port i tell configure that the target is arm-linux, although i'm running the compiler on x86_64-linux 16:15 #navit: < Usul1> same for pandora (I guess) 16:15 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, i think so 16:16 #navit: < Usul1> but the libs aren't dynamical linked? 16:16 #navit: < xenos1984> they are, and they are loaded only on demand 16:17 #navit: < xenos1984> so for example, navit comes with different graphics drivers (SDL, Qt, GTK...) 16:17 #navit: < xenos1984> and it only loads the one which is requested by navit.xml 16:18 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:20 #navit: < Usul1> ok and they need to be compiled, so they are available on the platform. But that is just manual dependency handling, right? 16:21 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i think so 16:22 #navit: < Usul1> BTW do you have any idea, if autotools can be removed completely? Or does anything still rely on it? 16:22 #navit: < xenos1984> my tomtom port does :P i couldn't manage to get it running with cmake yet 16:23 #navit: < xenos1984> when i compile it with cmake, there is some library missing in the build tree 16:23 #navit: < xenos1984> and i have no idea how to tell cmake to handle this... 16:23 #navit: < Usul1> hmm, strange... 16:23 #navit: < Usul1> I guess some %path% magic ;) 16:26 #navit: < xenos1984> possible, but for me the whole cmake code looks like "polish villages" ;) 16:27 #navit: < Usul1> yeah, for me too :D 16:27 #navit: < xenos1984> (actually also my travel route for the next conference looks like polish villages - but that's fine, the conference is in poland) 16:27 #navit: < Usul1> oh, you give a talk? 16:27 #navit: < xenos1984> only a poster presentation ;) at a physics conference in warsaw 16:28 #navit: < xenos1984> but there will also be an OSM conference here in tartu soon, the SotM Baltics 2013 16:28 #navit: < Usul1> yeah, heard about it. Think it was user:vvoovv 16:29 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, exactly 16:29 #navit: < Usul1> a nice guy :) 16:29 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed :) i talked to him a few times, we're both in the organizer team 16:30 #navit: < Usul1> ohooooooo :) 16:30 #navit: < xenos1984> reminds me that i should finish mapping the hotels and bus lines for our guests ;) 16:30 #navit: < Usul1> xD 16:31 #navit: < Usul1> would be interesting to get any feedback about the developments and problems of the community in the east 16:31 #navit: < Usul1> IMHO international exchange is still a huge problem... 16:31 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's true - especially between russia and western countries 16:32 #navit: < xenos1984> one of the aims of this meeting is to break this barrier 16:32 #navit: < Usul1> I guess beside kendzi, vvoovv and 2 others I don't know anybody 16:32 #navit: < Usul1> and I have no idea about the specific challenges in this countries 16:33 #navit: < Usul1> Years ago, I tried to bring more exchange with a dedicated series, but it failed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_do_you_map_in 16:33 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i know some users from estonia... there is a guy named svimik who has made large imports of estonian buildings and addresses 16:35 #navit: < xenos1984> so here we have some imports of streets, landuse, buildings etc. but things like pois and smaller ways are mostly missing 16:36 #navit: < Usul1> so a miss of active users on the ground? 16:36 #navit: < xenos1984> yes 16:37 #navit: < xenos1984> well, what can one expect in a country with 1,3M people and 0,3M of them living in tallinn? ;) the density is too low 16:38 #navit: < Usul1> sounds like Mecklenburg Vorpommern ^^ 16:38 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 16:38 #navit: < xenos1984> and it's at the baltic sea, too! :P 16:39 #navit: < xenos1984> so, if you are interested in the sotm here - it's just across the pond infron of your door ;) 16:40 #navit: < xenos1984> *in front 16:40 #navit: < Usul1> sorry, but it doesn't fit in my schedule :( 16:41 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... the estonians would say: kahju! :( 16:41 #navit: < Usul1> need to finish my thesis, visit my brother, quit my flat, prepare my trip to portugal, help my parents with building the house 16:41 #navit: < xenos1984> sounds like quite a lot of work 16:41 #navit: < xenos1984> so are you moving permanently? 16:42 #navit: < Usul1> well I will leave Rostock for this year. Next year I need to get a job and (hopefully) come back 16:42 #navit: < Usul1> But maybe I will go to Hamburg or Berlin, no idea ;) 16:43 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see - hamburg is beautiful as well ;) (it has lots of green gardens... *cough*) 16:44 #navit: < Usul1> personnally I guess I'm not a fan of megacities but maybe I should give it a try :) 16:44 #navit: < Usul1> ok, so I need to resume my work 16:44 #navit: < Usul1> was quiet nice to talk to you 16:44 #navit: < xenos1984> so good luck with your thesis! 16:45 #navit: < Usul1> would be great, if some of you might add ideas to the list http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Usul/Disburden_cp15 16:45 #navit: < Usul1> thanks :) 16:45 #navit: < Usul1> cya 16:45 #navit: < xenos1984> cu! 16:45 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-104-118.ras.uni-rostock.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has joined #navit 16:59 -!- user00136 [d5de5127@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.81.39] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:18 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 19:53 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 21:06 -!- ARMelshake [4f13d792@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.19.215.146] has joined #navit 21:07 #navit: < ARMelshake> ola 21:12 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26 -!- ARMelshake [4f13d792@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.19.215.146] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:06 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Wed May 29 00:00:19 2013