--- Log opened Tue Jun 04 00:00:19 2013
01:04 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed
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07:13 #navit: < helmut> hi. I just tried svn5530 (as packaged for debian). huge thanks for improving the rendering of buildings (i.e. rendering them as rectangles instead of triangles).
07:15 #navit: < helmut> I was also attempting to use the bike vehicleprofile for navigation. unfortunately it uses a significant amount of steps (as in stairs). I already lowered the speed for steps to 1, but it keeps selecting them. is there a way to add a fixed time penalty for selecting steps in the first place?
07:19 #navit: < helmut> hmm lowering route_weight to 1 at least reduces the usage to somewhat sensible.
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15:10 #navit: < Usul1> FYI a test about different navigation/map tools for smartphones: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21411 (ger) We might compare the adressed issues at our roadmap :)
15:10 #navit: < Usul1> cya
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15:44 #navit: < xenos1984> looks like navit has most of the features mentioned in this test
15:44 #navit: < xenos1984> + navigation for cars, bicycles, pedestrians
15:44 #navit: < xenos1984> + search for addresses
15:44 #navit: < xenos1984> + search for POIs in the vicinity
15:45 #navit: < xenos1984> - address search does not always give the desired result
15:45 #navit: < xenos1984> ? additional information for POIs (address, contact info?)
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20:56 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 Can you please give some samples where "address search does not always give the desired result"? With recent (not more than two weeks old) navit and maps?
20:58 #navit: < xenos1984> tryagain: hm... i don't have an example at hand right now - i remember a recent discussion here on address search problems, i think there were two towns with the same name and different postcodes, but i don't know whether this has been solved yet
20:59 #navit: < tryagain> there were quite big changes done... Residing problems most probably are country specific and easy to fix if we get somebody to describe them...
21:00 #navit: < xenos1984> that's great :) so as far as i remember you've been improving / redesigning the address search?
21:01 #navit: < tryagain> yep, and i was asking for some help: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1097#comment:4
21:01 #navit: < tryagain> so if you have some bug, share it :)
21:03 #navit: < xenos1984> i don't have a concrete bug right now, i was only referring to this recent discussion here ;) but if i find one, i'll let you know :) and certainly run some test searches ;)
21:04 #navit: < tryagain> ok, thank you. BTW, Estonia doesnt have an admin_level entry in navit, so your tests will be very resultative
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21:51 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, good to know :) why is there no admin_level in navit? is it missing in the openstreetmap data on in the navit / maptool conversion?
21:58 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 because I realized that admin_level schema is country specific and in each given country some admin levels are not used at all, some are used but correspond to divisions not naturally used by people, and rest of them carry some useful information
21:59 #navit: < tryagain> so we should code these specifics for each country individually
22:00 #navit: < xenos1984> tryagain: ah, i see - i guess that's what this list describes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative
22:05 #navit: < tryagain> yes, but for Russia you'll almost never specify admin_level=3 data in usual conversation about a town. Having admin_level=4 name value will give enough info to distinguish cities without admin_level=3 data. So when I write an address, I would never refer to admin_level=3 data. Same for much other countries.
22:06 #navit: < tryagain> And data on admin level importance seems to be missing from osm wiki.
22:09 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see
22:10 #navit: < xenos1984> in estonia i encountered all listed admin levels in everyday life
22:14 #navit: < tryagain> it's quite common for admin_level=8 relations to be city/town boundaries. Is it true for Estonia? Is it common practice to tag town boundary with place=town/city in Estonia?
22:16 #navit: < tryagain> same for place=village Should we convert amdin_level=9 relations to village boundaries?
22:17 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, according to the list 8 is for towns and 9 for villages
22:17 #navit: < xenos1984> i think they are not tagged with place=*, but that's what they are used for
22:19 #navit: < tryagain> *when I said town/city/village above I was meaning separate findable items in town search dialog. It's probably not handy to have town subdivisions there.
22:21 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, town parts are tagged as admin_level=10
22:22 #navit: < xenos1984> levels 8 and 9 denote individual towns and villages, not their parts
22:23 #navit: < tryagain> Thank you. I think I've got enough info to improve Estonian search.. Will update maptool in few days, before that testing will not be very meaningful..  going to sleep now.
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