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01:20 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed
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10:59 #navit: < vasilis> Hello
11:00 #navit: < vasilis> I'm trying to get traffic distortion features to work
11:01 #navit: < vasilis> By right clicking a street segment on map, selecting Traffic distortion --> Blocked, some info is added to the "distortion.txt" file, but it seems that this kind of info is ignored when routing.
11:02 #navit: < vasilis> Am i doing something wrong?
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16:27 #navit: < woglinde> hiho
17:01 #navit: < xenos1984> hi woglinde
17:04 #navit: < woglinde> hi xenos
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17:04 #navit: < woglinde> I met cp15 today
17:08 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, where did you meet?
17:10 #navit: < woglinde> at my company ;)
17:11 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see - a business meeting? ;)
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17:13 #navit: < woglinde> yes
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19:14 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 Regarding Estonian admin_level 8 & 9... Should we handle http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=97839258 as a city? It has some villages inside, like this one http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=98052386 . Is the latter a village or just a suburb?
19:16 #navit: < xenos1984> tryagain: the second one is a village, not a suburb - the first one is a region containing several of those villages with a regional administration
19:17 #navit: < xenos1984> it is a bit similar to the german levels of "Gemeinde" for a village (the second) and "Landkreis" for a larger group of those (the first)
19:17 #navit: < tryagain> it looked to me like that too... Is there any way to distinguish  such regions from cities having admin_level=8?
19:18 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... as far as i can see, one should see it from the name
19:19 #navit: < xenos1984> if it ends in "vald", it's a group of villages, if it ends in"linn", it's a city
19:19 #navit: < xenos1984> and "küla" is a village
19:19 #navit: < tryagain> hehe
19:20 #navit: < xenos1984> i don't know whether these names are tagged consistently, but they should be ;) these borders come from an import
19:23 #navit: < tryagain> In Germany, Landkreis is admin_level 6, and it's easily distinguishible from cities by admin_level value... Unsure if we should hardcode parts of place names in different languages to distinguish their type...
19:24 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... indeed, this might easily break
19:26 #navit: < xenos1984> regions ("vald") are further subdivided with admin_level=9 ("küla"), but cities ("linn") are subdivided with admin_level=10 ("linnaosa", suburb)
19:27 #navit: < xenos1984> of course i could also talk to other estonian mappers what the think about using admin_level=7 for regions instead
19:28 #navit: < xenos1984> this is not used yet - then we would have 7 = vald, 8 = linn, 9 = küla, 10 = linnaosa
19:28 #navit: < xenos1984> and town level search would take place at 8 and 9
19:29 #navit: < tryagain> that would be nice.
19:29 #navit: < tryagain> Also you may suggest tagging place boundaries with place=* tags.
19:30 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's also a good idea
19:32 #navit: < tryagain> That's the way I think it's described in wiki. I wonder why almost nobody uses it (maybe besides Russia and Ukraine).
19:37 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess most people tag only nodes with place=* and not the admin boundaries, it seems to common practise
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19:39 #navit: < tryagain> yes, looks like that.
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19:52 #navit: < tryagain> looks like broken estonian house http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26902391
19:53 #navit: < tryagain> and nearby one http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26902434
19:54 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed, they are from a broken import
20:05 #navit: < tryagain> http://pastebin.com/k8LjxtAM - if you have some resources to build your own estonia.bin with search. You'll need whole country boundary included in dataset to test it.
20:08 #navit: < xenos1984> i will give it a try :)
20:17 #navit: < tryagain> navit complains on Estonia boundary from geofabrik. Broken boundary does not allow patch to work.
20:18 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, kurat
20:18 #navit: < xenos1984> then my download from geofabrik is futile ;)
20:19 #navit: < tryagain> And why the hell http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/778464483 doesnt have kula, but http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/353941 has
20:19 #navit: < tryagain> patch will not connect that village with it boundary
20:19 #navit: < tryagain> *its
20:20 #navit: < tryagain> i guess this might be a common problem
20:21 #navit: < xenos1984> ah... yes, i think the borders have "küla", but the place nodes don't
20:23 #navit: < tryagain> then we probably have to keep per-country list of words to skip during comparison. Damn. If each country will bring some specifics, code size will grow to a half of planet.osm :(
20:25 #navit: < tryagain> if there were some link from relation to the node...
20:27 #navit: < xenos1984> there should be one... one can add a node with role admin_center
20:28 #navit: < tryagain> wiki suggests spelling admin_centre
20:28 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, right ;)
20:31 #navit: < tryagain> though that one wont help. We still don't know if it's a region admin centre, or we have a city linked with its boundary.
20:31 #navit: < tryagain> unless the names are equal
20:32 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... indeed...
20:33 #navit: < xenos1984> maybe one could deduce it from the place=* of the place node?
20:35 #navit: < tryagain> if place=village, it's always linked with outer admin_level=9 boundary without name comparison?
20:36 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i think so... but i don't know whether these links exist everywhere
20:37 #navit: < xenos1984> but if they don't, it would make sense to add them ;)
20:37 #navit: < tryagain> i have found at least one place=town polygon in Estonia
20:38 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, nice ;) which one is it?
20:39 #navit: < tryagain> i have already lost it :)
20:40 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, ok ;)
20:40 #navit: < xenos1984> btw, Kivi-Vigala küla (your last example) has no admin_centre link to Kivi-Vigala...
20:41 #navit: < tryagain> i think most of them do not have one.
20:41 #navit: < xenos1984> i see...
20:50 #navit: < tryagain> strange, josm didnt find any error in estonia relation downloaded separately from osm. Looks like Estonians extended their boundaries without notifying geofabrik :) http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/estonia.html
20:52 #navit: < xenos1984> that's actually possible ;) there was a recent discussion on the border contract between estonia and russia
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21:19 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed, there are some parts of the border missing near narva
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