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01:14 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-5532.failed
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10:19 #navit: < Usul1> meep meep :)
10:28 #navit: < ZeroOne01> trööööööööööööööt
10:29 #navit: < Usul1> :)
10:29 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ;-)
10:29 #navit: < Usul1> You seem to be new here ZeroOne01 ?
10:30 #navit: < Usul1> Or has my brain overload? :/
10:30 #navit: < ZeroOne01> yes and no
10:30 #navit: < ZeroOne01> the question - not your brain..
10:31 #navit: < ZeroOne01> yes new ... with new problem - no not new i'm using navit for 3 years and try to make my perfect carpc
10:31 #navit: < Usul1> oh, one more working on carpc :D
10:32 #navit: < Usul1> this week there were already 2 users who run navit on raspberry in cars
10:32 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i have a quite larger system than a raspberry
10:33 #navit: < ZeroOne01> actually an intel atom with ubuntu XYZ running with the old netbook launcher
10:33 #navit: < Usul1> Would be nice to get a full description as a usecase, so we consider the carpc scenario in further developments
10:33 #navit: < ZeroOne01> in my opinion it is THE carpc scenario
10:34 #navit: < Usul1> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Usul/NavitRefactoring#roadmap
10:34 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i have a second navit install running on my old asus eeepc as "backup" when not using my car
10:35 #navit: < Usul1> Please consider, that at least some people have no idea what might be important/different when driving car with en embedded pc
10:35 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i've read about your plan some time ago
10:35 #navit: < Usul1> So a specific and detailed description about what you do and how navit should react would be really helpful
10:36 #navit:  * Usul1 is only a bikecyclist
10:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i understand - iirc nissan or fiat is now bringing a car with google maps and android connection, i do this on my own :-)
10:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> so you run navit on your mobile right?
10:37 #navit: < Usul1> on laptops and openpandora
10:37 #navit: < Usul1> I have no smartphone ;)
10:38 #navit: < ZeroOne01> the pandora looks really fine - a bit exprensive but semms to be worth the money
10:39 #navit: < Usul1> I paid ~450 in the old days
10:39 #navit: < Usul1> its really cool what you can do with the modular design :)
10:39 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ?!? modular design?
10:39 #navit: < Usul1> well, all the interfaces and so on
10:40 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i see - software not hardware....
10:40 #navit: < Usul1> so I can plug in a mouse directly because it has the big usb port :)
10:40 #navit: < Usul1> I have a keypad, so I can hack scripts
10:41 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i prefer german layout ;-)
10:41 #navit: < Usul1> I have a german layout with just a few lines of code :P
10:41 #navit: < ZeroOne01> great - what abou Umlaute?
10:42 #navit: < Usul1> I reasigned keys that I don't use and added the umlauts
10:42 #navit: < Usul1> so can you take photos from your setup and descripe it?
10:43 #navit: < Usul1> How does you input stuff, how does it connect to your environment, ...
10:43 #navit: < Usul1> How do you want to use it? Point us to things that might currently don't work
10:43 #navit: < ZeroOne01> like building navit from source ;-P
10:43 #navit: < Usul1> Sure ;)
10:44 #navit: < Usul1> But what I tried to say is,  that you might write down a "vision" of how navit should behave in your scenario
10:44 #navit: < Usul1> I think we are currently aware that there is a huge lack of usability
10:45 #navit: < Usul1> On the other hand, to fill this gap will need it's time
10:45 #navit: < Usul1> Currently we think how we might improve the dev process, so more people can/feel encouraged to contribute
10:45 #navit: < Usul1> I think this is a good start :)
10:46 #navit: < ZeroOne01> a few month ago I was implementing my vision of a perfect gui - cp15 also did some coding for it...
10:47 #navit: < Usul1> I also tried some brainstorming: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Usul/UING
10:47 #navit: < ZeroOne01> but it's still not running on my carpc - only on the eeepc - due to lack of time and electricity
10:47 #navit: < Usul1> eelctricity?
10:48 #navit: < ZeroOne01> sry - not GUI but OSD ...
10:48 #navit: < Usul1> ah I see
10:48 #navit: < ZeroOne01> yes - to update the carpc you need power...
10:48 #navit: < Usul1> oO
10:49 #navit: < ZeroOne01> option 1 - run the car
10:49 #navit: < ZeroOne01> option 2 - get power from your house
10:49 #navit: < Usul1> what is the power consumption of your device?
10:49 #navit: < Usul1> I exspected ~20Watts?
10:49 #navit: < Usul1> so you can run 1..2hrs on batt?
10:50 #navit: < ZeroOne01> puhh... i think my calculation was worst case 48watt
10:50 #navit: < Usul1> yay OO
10:50 #navit: < Usul1> ok, I see the problem :/
10:50 #navit: < ZeroOne01> remember - worst case!
10:50 #navit: < ZeroOne01> not idle ;-)
10:51 #navit: < Usul1> would be interesting your story :)
10:51 #navit: < ZeroOne01> or just running navit
10:51 #navit: < ZeroOne01> some usb devices really need power...
10:52 #navit: < ZeroOne01> touchpad, keyboard, numpad, 3G, WLAN, DVB-T, ....
10:52 #navit: < Usul1> thats because I'm suprised that the pandora runs for ~10hrs
10:52 #navit: < Usul1> I think about getting an openmoko for navit testing
10:52 #navit: < ZeroOne01> and of course a GPS unit - for navit :-)
10:53 #navit: < Usul1> but there is no open source car entertainment project out there, right?
10:53 #navit: < ZeroOne01> 5-8 ...
10:53 #navit: < ZeroOne01> found none of them useable...
10:53 #navit: < Usul1> -.-
10:54 #navit: < ZeroOne01> or dead
10:54 #navit: < ZeroOne01> or really really bad documented - and finding information in the code is ... well... i don't want to read code instead of html ;-P
10:54 #navit: < Usul1> sad, because a car pc entertainment system is very specific mission statement
10:55 #navit: < ZeroOne01> for entertainment i'm experimenting with xbmc
10:55 #navit: < Usul1> so you can easily set goals and reuse other tools/modules as navit
10:56 #navit: < ZeroOne01> and my OSD has space left for pause/play/next so you can control the media running in background
10:56 #navit: < Usul1> +1
10:57 #navit: < Usul1> maybe they just need to define an interface and framework to fit everything together and make it exchangable
10:57 #navit: < Usul1> but hey, we just care about navigation :P
10:58 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i look into the future - think of LCARS (the system on the USS Enterprise)..
10:59 #navit: < ZeroOne01> _L_inux _C_an _A_lso _R_un _S_tarships
10:59 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ;-P
11:00 #navit: < Usul1> sure, but thats not the goal of navit anymore :P
11:01 #navit: < ZeroOne01> :-)
11:01 #navit: < ZeroOne01> WTH - why does navit start gdb ?!?
11:01 #navit: < Usul1> no idea...
11:01 #navit: < ZeroOne01> never had this before...
11:02 #navit: < Usul1> it's a feature ;)
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12:28 #navit: < xenos1984> navit starts gdb? that ususally happens when it segfaults
12:31 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i think i'll add some infos to the wiki... i think the system was missing libgtk2.0-dev
12:31 #navit: < ZeroOne01> iirc this one does not stand on the dependencies page in the wiki
12:31 #navit: < ZeroOne01> damn... first line... WAH!
12:33 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i'll kick myself in the ass...
12:33 #navit: < ZeroOne01> still some warnings...
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13:34 #navit: < xenos1984> ZeroOne01: which warnings do you get? is there any useful output from gdb?
13:34 #navit: < xenos1984> these bright northern nights drive me crazy, just fell asleep again -.-
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14:25 #navit: < ZeroOne01> gdb problem is solved... a few libs were missing - there's a german saying: the one who can read... has an advantage (rough translated)
14:25 #navit: < xenos1984> wer lesen kann, ist klar im vorteil ;) yes :)
14:26 #navit: < ZeroOne01> indeed...
14:26 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ;-P
14:26 #navit: < xenos1984> same thing happens to me too often ;)
14:27 #navit: < ZeroOne01> now i'm wondering why i can't install virtualbox guest additions - but i don't care, as long as navit compiles :-)
14:28 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... what happens if you try it? and on which os?
14:30 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i tried on debian wheezy and ubuntu raring ringtail... now i'm on a clean installation of wheezy to figure out how many MB i need to download over 3G to my carpc :-) (f.e. ~42-48MB for navit svn, 33MB for build-essentials, ...)
14:30 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i'll make a log when compiling to paste it - in a few minutes..
14:31 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see - i think i installed virtualbox + guest additions via their debian / ubuntu repository (i'm using ubuntu 12.04)
14:34 #navit: < ZeroOne01> the one does not work with not common screen sizes - the original do (800x480)
14:35 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... interesting
14:35 #navit: < ZeroOne01> when using the internal gui... do i need the SDL libs?
14:35 #navit: < ZeroOne01> and opengl
14:35 #navit: < xenos1984> no, that should also work with gtk
14:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i see... i'll try without them..
14:36 #navit: < xenos1984> on ubuntu i'm using gtk graphics and the internal interface
14:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> what might i need libgps-dev for?
14:37 #navit: < ZeroOne01> nevermind 139KB...
14:37 #navit: < ZeroOne01> installed..
14:57 #navit: < Usul1> xenos1984: forums: Of course you are active at Navit as well ;)
14:58 #navit: < Usul1> I posted an reply
14:58 #navit: < xenos1984> Usul1: i asked cp15 yesterday whether it would be possible that the navit bot forwards new post to the irc channel, so that one gets informed on a new reply ;)
14:59 #navit: < Usul1> ah that is the ircbot account for
14:59 #navit: < xenos1984> yes
14:59 #navit: < Usul1> well I'm not sure, but if we connect the rss output with the bot, I guess this can be done with 10 lines of code
15:00 #navit: < xenos1984> that would be great :)
15:00 #navit: < Usul1> but of course you can stare at single topics and get an immidate response, too ;)
15:01 #navit: < Usul1> I guess I will wait for the first decisions about dev process before asking to much things :D
15:07 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's a good idea
15:07 #navit: < Usul1> but something completely different, do you already submitted your icons-in-a-single-image patch?
15:07 #navit: < xenos1984> i was wondering why the forum shows more than 40 members, but the member list is much shorter...
15:07 #navit: < xenos1984> no, not yet
15:10 #navit: < Usul1> maybe you can start a topic on the forum for that? So everybody (mapstyle designers, coders, users, ...) know about the ongoing change and can give feedback how we can do the migration process?
15:10 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that's good idea (after dinner ;))
15:12 #navit: < Usul1> dinner?
15:12 #navit: < Usul1> douh timezones of course ;)
15:13 #navit: < xenos1984> indeed, it's 18:15 here ;)
15:16 #navit: < Usul1> I'm just drinking my coffee at 5 o clock pm :P
15:16 #navit: < Usul1> But working on a master thesis isn't that fun :(
15:17 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess so ;) what's the title / topic? (i think you told me once, but i forgot...)
15:17 #navit: < xenos1984> i'm currently writing a research paper...
15:21 #navit: < Usul1> my thesis is about distributed computing of OSM map tiles
15:21 #navit: < Usul1> but only 4 weeks left and I have no good feeling about my current work :/
15:24 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... then probably the only thing that helps is going through it again and again, change things, improve, try different versions and in the worst case write paragraphs from scratch ;)
15:25 #navit: < Usul1> sure, but I guess the biggest problem is that I have no feeling how to do it right. To be honest, the feedback of my profs is .... difficult.
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15:28 #navit: < xenos1984_> wow, power outage killed my internet
15:29 #navit: < xenos1984_> Usul1: hm... doesn't your advisor give any useful feedback?
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15:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> build Error from fresh debian Wheezy: http://pastebin.com/hyCZqWqB
15:36 #navit: < ZeroOne01> well... WarningS
15:38 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, these warnings are totally normal
15:38 #navit: < xenos1984> gcc checks for bad C style ;)
15:38 #navit: < ZeroOne01> i was thinking so - but i wasn't sure..
15:39 #navit: < xenos1984> nothing to worry about, unless you are a pedantic coder :)
15:39 #navit: < Usul1> but for that case, we are pleased to accept any cleanup commits ;)
15:39 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ok - so I keep on installing software on my test-PC to update my CarPC :-)
15:40 #navit: < ZeroOne01> line 444 ist interesting...
15:40 #navit: < ZeroOne01> country_.png
15:40 #navit: < ZeroOne01> a map for countrys without flag?
15:47 #navit: < Usul1> cya
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18:28 #navit: <@cp15> Damn, sf has finally moved our repository
18:35 #navit: < woglinde> why they shouldnt
18:48 #navit: <@cp15> Why they should?
18:50 #navit: < Navit> martin-s * r5533 /trunk/navit/navit/graphics/gtk_drawing_area/graphics_gtk_drawing_area.c: Fix:graphics_gtk_drawing_area:Use gdk_pixbuf_loader instead of GInputStream for loading images from memory for better compatibility http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5533
19:03 #navit: < woglinde> did nt they say new platform
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19:25 #navit: < Angelus88> hello everyone
19:25 #navit: < Angelus88> is there anyone willing to help me?
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