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01:15 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5533.failed
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15:04 #navit:  * Usul1 is taking a break
15:04 #navit: < Usul1> anybody out here?
15:10 #navit: < udovdh> what appears to be the issue?
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15:25 #navit: < Usul1> no issue, just sparetime for a few minutes to rest before continuing my thesis :)
15:26 #navit: < Usul1> So who are you udovdh? Are you contributing or using Navit?
15:26 #navit: < udovdh> using and `assisting` development back in 2008
15:26 #navit: < udovdh> did test the southern hemisphere functionality for the team :-)
15:26 #navit: < udovdh> more laying low nowadays
15:33 #navit: < Usul1> sounds interesting, do you have any opinions about tests for a "stable" release schema?
15:33 #navit: < Usul1> btw feel free to add yourself to the team: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Team
15:42 #navit: < udovdh> back in 2008 I found some issue causing logs to be zero
15:42 #navit: < udovdh> (had to tarvel half the world to get there so that was a pity)
15:42 #navit: < udovdh> would have to find a more current device (than an ipaq) to run navit so I can test more
15:42 #navit: < udovdh> a small tablet perhaps
15:43 #navit: < Usul1> Hmm, a good point that tests need to reflect more parts of the world to test algorithms and i18n
15:43 #navit: < udovdh> w.r.t. release: depends on the top features requested.
15:43 #navit: < udovdh> do not keep adding features. freeze at an (early) point. test.
15:43 #navit: < udovdh> iron out the bugs.
15:43 #navit: < udovdh> release.
15:43 #navit: < Usul1> I tried to start a discussion about testing and how we might improve the development https://forum.navit-project.org/viewforum.php?f=4
15:44 #navit: < udovdh> then start adding features again
15:44 #navit: < udovdh> testing: can it be automated?
15:44 #navit: < Usul1> But I guess I just need to be more patient ;)
15:44 #navit: < Usul1> several checks can be done automatic
15:44 #navit: < udovdh> that helps.
15:44 #navit: < udovdh> maybe feed a fake NMEA stream and then test results from the code?
15:45 #navit: < Usul1> AFAIK we have such playback
15:45 #navit: < udovdh> great!
15:45 #navit: < udovdh> but is the NMEA stream challenging enough?
15:45 #navit: < udovdh> has to be not perfect
15:45 #navit: < udovdh> lose fix, regain fix
15:45 #navit: < udovdh> skip a few meters etc
15:46 #navit: < udovdh> accellerate, slow down
15:46 #navit: < udovdh> etc
15:46 #navit: < Usul1> IMHO this needs several testcases, so if trouble occure, you can find the problem quickly
15:46 #navit: < udovdh> indeed.
15:47 #navit: < Usul1> The modularisation of navit might help to create good test setups (CLI, dbus, bindings, ...)
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> BTW: coming to OHM2013?
15:47 #navit: < Usul1> OHM?
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> CLI might help
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> ohm2013.org
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> similar to har2009.org
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> but that aside
15:47 #navit: < udovdh> cli sounds good
15:48 #navit: < udovdh> dbus I did not yet master as it only disturbs me on fedora
15:48 #navit: < udovdh> but that might be how they package it, use it, etc
15:48 #navit: < Usul1> sry, I'm still to busy and lack of time
15:49 #navit: < udovdh> no problem
15:49 #navit: < udovdh> might be a place to meet people, get ideas
15:49 #navit: < Usul1> At least for me the problem is less ideas, but more to getting the time to realize ;)
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> so there is the reason to freeze the list.
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> implement and release.
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> only then allow new stuf to be added to the list
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> have people vote to a certain extent?
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> make a top xx
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> and do those things.
15:50 #navit: < udovdh> freeze the rest until after the release
15:51 #navit: < Usul1> IMHO currently we should fokus on getting the very basic things done first. So all the things that influence the User experience
15:52 #navit: < Usul1> So that a user doesn't have to edit config files, download maps manually, can set options via UI, can exchange themes, ...
15:52 #navit: < Usul1> I guess this will be a major step and during the period, we can put the fokus on several components
15:53 #navit: < Usul1> but that is just my opinion
15:53 #navit: < udovdh> sounds liek a good goal
15:53 #navit: < udovdh> like...
15:54 #navit: < udovdh> get rid of the tekst editor for configuration.
15:54 #navit: < Usul1> ok so I will continue my thesis for now ;)
15:54 #navit: < Usul1> feel free to join the discussions on the forum and share your ideas (maybe in the wiki?)
15:55 #navit: < udovdh> My account might still work... (see ipaq, 810 pics)
15:57 #navit: < Usul1> But maybe we should schedule a meeting e.g. at the 30C3 (Hamburg) so all contributors can meet in real life and we can get something like an roadmap for the whole project
15:58 #navit: < Usul1> Or at cp15 's home near Munich ;)
15:58 #navit: < Usul1> cya
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16:04 #navit: < udovdh> never been to c3, might be an idea for this year
16:05 #navit: < udovdh> if nothing else happens w.r.t. holiday-type stuff
16:05 #navit: < udovdh> what is the usual address for C3 stuff?
16:05 #navit: < udovdh> I might have a place to crash there
16:05 #navit: < udovdh> near there.
16:06 #navit: < udovdh> ah  Marseiller Straße 1, 20355, Hamburg, Germany
16:11 #navit: < xenos1984> isn't that the fairground?
16:12 #navit: < udovdh> if you look on the photographs I see a CCH roof
16:12 #navit: < udovdh> near the Marseiller strasse
16:12 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, right
16:13 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i was working next door at the physics institute for 11 years, so it sounds just familiar :)
16:13 #navit: < udovdh> tiergartenstrasse is more nearby?
16:14 #navit: < udovdh> anyone can confirm?
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16:15 #navit: < udovdh> or have a google maps link with the actual building?
16:15 #navit: < xenos1984> i think tiergartenstraße is at the other side of planten un bloomen
16:15 #navit: < udovdh> (to be sure)
16:15 #navit: < xenos1984> so is it at the CCH?
16:15 #navit: < udovdh> I dunno
16:15 #navit: < udovdh> but is it?
16:16 #navit: < xenos1984> well, i don't know... the 30C3, right?
16:17 #navit: < xenos1984> i just know where which building is in that area, but not what takes place there right now or soon
16:17 #navit: < udovdh> ah hmm
16:17 #navit: < udovdh> I was in CCH 1 in 2002
16:17 #navit: < udovdh> but need to find the location for 30c3 to plan a place to crash etc
16:18 #navit: < xenos1984> crash? o.O
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16:19 #navit: < udovdh> http://lanyrd.com/2013/30c3/
16:19 #navit: < udovdh> crash as in sleep etc
16:20 #navit: < xenos1984> oh, i see
16:20 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, yes, the building there is the CCH
16:20 #navit: < xenos1984> tiergartenstraße leads to the back entrance
16:21 #navit: <@cp15> Well, we could also meet at ohm
16:21 #navit: < xenos1984> the main entrance is from the other side, there is a parking garage below it
16:23 #navit: < udovdh> I am in ReHash team at ohm
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16:42 #navit: < udovdh> later!
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