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01:20 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5533.failed
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06:49 #navit: < Usul1> hi, I like to start a discussion about maintaining/splitting up navit.xml https://forum.navit-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=400&p=423
06:51 #navit: < ventYl> isn't there include directive available in navit.xml?
06:51 #navit: < Usul1> yes it is and yes this is currently all about ;)
06:52 #navit: < Usul1> but we don't use it (currently) to splitup the file, while blowing it up with menu, OSD, map styles, ...
06:53 #navit: < ventYl> i remember i wanted to use it but didn't much worked on Win CE
06:54 #navit: < Usul1> did you know the reason why? So path strugles, or some fundamental problems?
06:55 #navit: < Usul1> by the way xenos1984 is working on a "one image file to rule them all" feature to shring down the number of files for WinCE cabs
06:55 #navit: < ventYl> probably navit used some to-me-unknown / undocumented prefix while searching for included file
06:55 #navit: < ventYl> with WinCE and it's paths even absolute path didn't work
06:55 #navit: < Usul1> Could you please post this in the forum? (wiki login)
06:56 #navit: < ventYl> i should test it with some newer navit. i didn't turned on that particular device for months
06:57 #navit: < Usul1> not a problem ;) I see you don't have a wiki account yet?
06:57 #navit: < ventYl> but now i don't have any android anymore so i would like to use it as navigation once again
06:58 #navit: < Usul1> so you are somewhat like a tester in the community?
06:59 #navit: < ventYl> nope, i try to use android as regular navigation software
07:00 #navit: < Usul1> I saw navit yesterday at a friends Android. Not that bad (compared to other platforms) but even not that good (compared with other navis)
07:00 #navit: < ventYl> why i wrote android? i wanted to write: i try to use navit as regular navigation
07:01 #navit: < Usul1> ah ok, but even this enduser perspective can be very helpful to the dev team
07:02 #navit: < ventYl> i am kinda developer but didnt touch navit sources yet
07:02 #navit: < Usul1> So if you like to write down your specific usecase/vision of what navit should become, it can be considerated in the dev roadmap http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/User:Usul/NavitRefactoring#roadmap
07:02 #navit:  * Usul1 didn't touched the sources either ;)
07:03 #navit: < ventYl> i already commented to some gui mockups few months ago
07:03 #navit: < Usul1> I remember, yes
07:03 #navit: < Usul1> AFAIK cp15 is working on that new dialog, too
07:03 #navit: < ventYl> i came to navit throught OSM, while i am local OSM map editor
07:04 #navit: < Usul1> me, too. Where are you from? :)
07:04 #navit: < ventYl> whenever i can i prefer using OSM map data because of it's accuracy
07:04 #navit: < ventYl> Slovakia
07:05 #navit: < xenos1984> seems like the road from osm to navit is pretty well paved :) i went the same way and now i'm also using navit as a regular navi software
07:05 #navit: < Usul1> I'm from Germany
07:06 #navit: < Usul1> I can't see that navit is already ready  for daily use, but if works for you ;)
07:06 #navit: < ventYl> it mostly works
07:06 #navit: < xenos1984> once it's installed and configured, it's pretty much ready for daily use ;)
07:06 #navit: < ventYl> there are some ugly/annoying bugs, but it can be used
07:07 #navit: < ventYl> sometimes when i think that navit has some bug when it sends me throught secondary road instead of highway i realize that it's map data bug
07:07 #navit: < Usul1> I just see cluttered houses, slow reaction on embedded devices, cumbersome UI and a lots of smaller bugs :(
07:08 #navit: < ventYl> i designed my own UI
07:08 #navit: < Usul1> but in the same way, all the components are even powerfull
07:08 #navit: < ventYl> that's why i wanted to split navit.xml
07:08 #navit: < ventYl> it worked on linux but not on WinCE
07:08 #navit: < Usul1> the more people discuss this step, the results we can get :)
07:09 #navit: < Usul1> of course xenos1984 is invited, too ;)
07:09 #navit: < ventYl> i think that navit is very powerful. it just isn't streamlined and polished for everyday ordinary user
07:09 #navit: < xenos1984> actually i'm also for splitting navit.xml ;) i use the include method also for my tomtom port
07:10 #navit: < Usul1> then please post your experiences :)
07:10 #navit: < ventYl> yes, at least OSD / layout / map / vehicle specs should be separated out to some well known path
07:10 #navit: < Usul1> I would be happy to see any opinions on that
07:10 #navit: < ventYl> for user to be able e.g. easilly change layout / OSD without need to cut-copy-paste parts of navit.xml
07:11 #navit: < Usul1> (yes, but designs usually have seperated resources as icons, images, too )
07:11 #navit: < Usul1> (so this can be just a first step)
07:11 #navit: < ventYl> if XML parser is able to handle splitted navit.xml without any additional work from programmer it makes complete sense to split it up to gain some ease of use
07:12 #navit: < Usul1> I'm interested how far we can seperate and inherite values
07:12 #navit: < ventYl> from my point of view complicated configuration is far the biggest problem of most opensource projects
07:12 #navit: < Usul1> so can we compose a mapstyle by applying: defaultstyle x scenariostyle x country colouring?
07:12 #navit: < ventYl> in all levels of usage
07:12 #navit: < Usul1> +1
07:13 #navit: < ventYl> Usul1: do not overengeneer it
07:13 #navit: < Usul1> no, it's all about maintainig the ressources and don't repeat yourself (make it consistent)
07:13 #navit: < ventYl> you can create some online mapstyle generator and then just replace mapstyle.xml with generated one
07:14 #navit: < Usul1> but if you want every mapstyle in every country colouring ....?
07:14 #navit: < ventYl> you want to run navit on embedded devices so defer as much processing as possible to foreign computers and to static precomputation
07:14 #navit: < Tauso> I'm also for splitting navit.xml After updating to new svn version, I'll always have to check if the navit.xml was changed and if I have to put my OSD configuration in the new version.
07:14 #navit: < Usul1> over at OSM, we have simply the same problem with mainting the map styles :(
07:14 #navit: < ventYl> Usul1: i doubt you want mapstyle in every country colouring. you mean that mapstyle will change when you cross the border? that doesn't make sense
07:15 #navit: < ventYl> more than that there are probably only three to four colouring schemes for maps
07:15 #navit: < Usul1> No, but most german users are confused with OSM default colouring (UK style)
07:15 #navit: < ventYl> US / west european / east european
07:15 #navit: < Usul1> and the US has it's own style that people make feel familar with
07:16 #navit: < ventYl> you can have static mapstyles for every colouring schemes you want to support
07:16 #navit: < Usul1> And currently we are somewhat like half a dozent contributors, so saving time to maintaine resources seems to be essential to me?
07:17 #navit: < Usul1> Of course, I didn't said anything about on-device or preprocessing
07:17 #navit: < ventYl> you can save it still by dymamically generating styles server-side
07:18 #navit: < Usul1> If we move this discussion to the forum, it's recorded in a better order
07:18 #navit: < Usul1> if signup to the wiki, I can unlock you in a few minutes
07:19 #navit: < ventYl> i'm already registering
07:20 #navit: < Usul1> sorry, I checked the wrong nick. Yes you are
07:20 #navit: < Usul1> ok friends, I need to go to work :(
07:20 #navit: < Usul1> cya
07:20 #navit: < ventYl> do i really need to fill in biography data? :)
07:21 #navit: < Usul1> no but it approves that you are human and that you don't want just to spam the wiki ;)
07:21 #navit: < ventYl> i am not the spambot :D
07:22 #navit:  * Usul1 usul has to decide just on filled forms :P
07:22 #navit: < Usul1> cya
07:22 #navit: < ventYl> bye
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07:43 #navit: < Tauso> Chrome shows me a certificate warning on forum.navit-project.org, is this ok?
07:43 #navit: < ventYl> me too
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07:48 #navit: < ZeroOne01> self-signed certificate?
07:48 #navit: < ZeroOne01> no money for buying a signed certificate from a trusted company
07:49 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, this should be fine
07:50 #navit: < xenos1984> well, you should be concerned if you wanted to write your credit card number using this connection, but i guess you won't post that in the forum
07:52 #navit: < ZeroOne01> why not - I need some stuff from online-shops ;-P
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07:56 #navit: < Tauso> self signed is ok, better than without https
07:57 #navit: < ventYl> sometimes private CA is better than publicly trusted company
07:57 #navit: < ventYl> if you establish your own CA you can eliminate one central point of infiltration by government
08:03 #navit: < ZeroOne01> who activates the accounts for navit-web-sites?
08:03 #navit: < ventYl> usul at least
08:07 #navit: < xenos1984> which websites? you mean the wiki?
08:08 #navit: < ZeroOne01> f.e. - and so the forum...
08:08 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see... we need to find a simpler way to get the forum accounts activated
08:09 #navit: < ventYl> introduce touring test in form of differential equation :))
08:10 #navit: < xenos1984> good idea - maybe i should use the equations i just have to solve at work for this :)
08:14 #navit: < Tauso> In the wiki, when i click on "forgotten your login details", I get "Your IP address is blocked from editing, and so is not allowed to use the password recovery function to prevent abuse." Is this intentionally
08:24 #navit: < Usul1_afk> Tauso: You have problems?
08:26 #navit: < Usul1_afk> I don't see a wiki user "Tauso"?
08:30 #navit: < ZeroOne01> Usul1 can you activate my account?
08:30 #navit: < Usul1_afk> I think I already did a just a few minutes ago
08:31 #navit: < ZeroOne01> ok - i'll check my mails :-)
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08:33 #navit: < Tauso> Usul1_ak: I didn't remember if I created an wiki account a long time ago, so I wanted just test if the "forgotten login" knows my email
08:37 #navit: < Usul1_afk> pidgin is unable to determine your IP, plz. post it
08:39 #navit: < Usul1_afk> But I don't see any tool that can tell me for a given mail if there is a user :/
08:42 #navit: < Tauso> no problem, i'll try it tomorrow from home, as I am at work right now with wild NAT,VPN etc. routing.
08:44 #navit: < Tauso> Or I just set up a new account. Even if I'm already registered, I don't think, that i have written or edited something.
08:44 #navit: < Usul1_afk> no problem
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09:03 #navit: < Usul1_afk> FYI: I invited the guys of this FLOSS android repo to add Navit: http://f-droid.org (they said they had problems with building it)
09:11 #navit: <@cp15> Why do they need to build it?
09:14 #navit: < Usul1_afk> it's there way to provide a FLOSS repo (which doesn't sound wrong to me). I also offered them the builds from our build server ;)
09:15 #navit: < Usul1_afk> efred had also problems to setup the android toolchain: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Talk:Android_development
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11:18 #navit: < ipa_> I'm looking for a detailed description for developing a plugin for navit... the wiki doesn't realy help me...
11:20 #navit: < Usul1_afk> hi ipa_
11:21 #navit: < Usul1_afk> sorry, personally I can't supply any further details, as I'm not that within the source
11:27 #navit: < ipa_> okay... but thx for your fast reply... actually i'm trying to get the (waypoint) coordinates of the route, navit calculated. Do you know, how i can get them, or do you have any hint for me?
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11:29 #navit: < Usul1_afk> no, sorry. Currently  I'm most involved in organisational aspects as wiki, forums, ....
11:30 #navit: < Usul1_afk> but if you signup the wiki, you can post your question at the forums :) http://forum.navit-project.org
11:30 #navit: < Usul1_afk> (same credentials)
11:33 #navit: < ipa_> okay, thank you, i'm quiet new to navit, but googled a lot, and i was never linked to this forum... is it new?
11:34 #navit: < ipa_> i thought about asking in the sourceforge forum
11:35 #navit: < Usul1_afk> yes it was launched this week. IMHO it's more comfortable than ML/IRC esp. for enduser support
11:37 #navit: < ipa_> what do you suggest, where to ask for a plugin how-to?  in the topic development?
11:40 #navit: < Usul1_afk> IMHO this is ok for your post
11:40 #navit: < Usul1_afk> I guess we need to create a subforum for such kind of somewhat "extenal" requests
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11:43 #navit: < novotny> hello here
11:43 #navit: < novotny> is possible to change layout of navit intetrnal keyboard ?
11:44 #navit: < Usul1_afk> hi novotny :)
11:44 #navit: < novotny> from abcd to qwerty ?
11:44 #navit: < Usul1_afk> hmm not sure about that. I heared, that someone uses cyrillic letters, so I guess it's possible to alter it a little bit
11:45 #navit: < Usul1_afk> maybe by changing the lang code?
11:45 #navit: < novotny> in locale i have en_US.UTF-8 (1=1 2=2)
11:45 #navit: < novotny> :-)
11:46 #navit: < Usul1_afk> give me aminute
11:46 #navit: < novotny> Np
11:47 #navit: < novotny> i am planing some carputer .. with archlinux, and navit :-)
11:47 #navit: < ZeroOne01> plugins can talk to navit over dbus - for example
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11:47 #navit:  * ZeroOne01 realized, that the dvd-drive in his carpc is broken :/
11:47 #navit: < novotny> :-)
11:48 #navit: < Usul1_afk> novotny:  Sorry, I only find a simple way to disable the OSD keypad completely: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration/Full_list_of_options
11:48 #navit: < novotny> i saw that http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-VGA-2AV-Driver-board-7inch-800-480-AT070TN90-lcd-panel-Touch-panel-Remote-/170934718181?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cc80cee5
11:48 #navit: < ZeroOne01> da dvd+ a dvd- for nothing...
11:48 #navit: < novotny> Usul1_afk: i found that too ...
11:48 #navit: < novotny> and raspbery pi :-)
11:48 #navit: < Usul1_afk> Sorry thats all what I can tell. But feel free to post a question here: http://forum.navit-project.org
11:49 #navit: < Usul1_afk> (login with wiki credentials)
11:49 #navit: < novotny> Usul1_afk: ok thx :-)
11:49 #navit: < Usul1_afk> Even if nobody knows, it can be a good point for starting a feature request. Thus please write about the why
11:50 #navit: < novotny> and do uknow, what"(1=1 2=2)" in lang mean ?
11:53 #navit: < Usul1_afk> not really. I guess its about describing prefix and suffix so EN_us for example
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12:39 #navit: <@cp15> novotny, this is just a test output for positional parameters in printf-like format strings
12:44 #navit: <@cp15> ipa_, ping
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12:46 #navit: < Usul1_afk> ipa_: cp15 is our maintainer. Please tell him about your planed plugin. He will try to find a good preset for you
12:46 #navit: < Usul1_afk> cya
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13:06 #navit:  * Zero0ne is updating the carPC
13:09 #navit: <@cp15> To?
13:17 #navit: < Zero0ne> wheezy and navit svn
13:17 #navit: < Zero0ne> was ubuntu 9? iirc
13:18 #navit: < Zero0ne> with unsupported netbook launcher - that was also the reason why i didn't upgrade...
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13:20 #navit: < Zero0ne> navit svn will be the most important upgrade... was the ubuntu package :/ no streetnumber search, limited number of gui entries...
13:42 #navit: < Zero0ne> installation should finish soon - otherwise the battery will be empty :/
13:42 #navit: < Zero0ne> oh great - 70% jump to 97% :-)
13:44 #navit: <@cp15> But the last few percents are the most time consuming ;-)
13:45 #navit: < Zero0ne> finished!
13:45 #navit: < Zero0ne> reboot to wheezy lxde
13:47 #navit: < Zero0ne> damn... debian installer is brocken boot option lxde didn't work... thats gnome...
13:48 #navit: < ventYl> nothing particular unusual
13:48 #navit: < ventYl> in debian nearly nothing except kde gnome and xfce is fully working
13:48 #navit: < ventYl> in icewm you'll probably still find name and icon of firefox
13:51 #navit: < Zero0ne> so i need another session to reinstall lxde (and remove gnome - maybe)
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14:14 #navit: < novotny> cp15: thx
14:14 #navit: <@cp15> novotny, for what?
14:15 #navit: < novotny> cp15:  for reply what does 1=1 2=2 mean :-)
14:15 #navit: <@cp15> Ah :-)
14:17 #navit: < novotny> cp: my first question was about keyboard layout ... can i switch from abcde to qwert ?
14:17 #navit: < novotny> qwerty
14:17 #navit: < novotny> ?
14:19 #navit: < novotny> or can i create own layou ?
14:20 #navit: <@cp15> Can you compile navit by yourself?
14:20 #navit: < novotny> yeah
14:21 #navit: < novotny> i am using svn version in archlinxu
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14:22 #navit: < novotny> btw. abcde is terrible layout! :-)
14:23 #navit: <@cp15> Look into gui/internal/gui_internal_keyboard.c function gui_internal_keyboard_do
14:23 #navit: < novotny> thx
14:23 #navit: <@cp15> There are two  for (i = 0 ; i < 26 ; i++) loops there which create the upper / lower case keys
14:24 #navit: <@cp15> Replace this loops with individual keys like you can see a bit below
14:25 #navit: < novotny> thx
14:28 #navit: < novotny> there should be dome array whit keyboard .. and use array[i] instead od 'a'+i :-)
14:28 #navit: < novotny> and yeasily defined arrays :-)
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14:47 #navit: < ZeroOne01> navit is running!
14:47 #navit: < ZeroOne01> but it's to hot in the car to stay there...
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14:51 #navit: < korrosa> ping Number6
14:51 #navit: < korrosa> maps7 (the server I get autodirected to) is slow again. Had to manually go to maps5.
14:52 #navit: < korrosa> maps7 had a 4hr download time for the UK. maps5 estimates 10 minutes.
14:54 #navit: < korrosa> Hello everyone else!
15:00 #navit: <@cp15> Hi korrosa
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15:02 #navit: < korrosa> Hi cp15, hope things are going well!
15:03 #navit: < korrosa> I see that the wiki is still a hive of activity, which is good!
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15:35 #navit: < Number6> korrosa: Maps7 won't accept requests any more - at least on it's side
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15:51 -!- Irssi: Your nick is owned by Navit Logger [~NavitLogg@hypnotoad.geoghegan.me]
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15:51 -!- Topic for #navit: The open source vector based navigation program with routing engine. See http://wiki.navit-project.org. Please be patient if you don't get a response immediately. Please use http://navit.pastebin.com for your pastes! Channel is logged : http://irclogs.navit.ie/ Follow @NavitProject on Twitter.
15:51 -!- Topic set by KaZeR [~kazer@4.170.67.86.rev.sfr.net] [Mon May 23 17:10:04 2011]
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18:47 #navit: < Navit> sleske * r5534 /trunk/navit/cmake/navit_macros.cmake: Fix:build/cmake:Remember user settings (-Dxxx=xxx) across CMake runs. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5534
18:48 #navit: < Navit> sleske * r5535 /trunk/navit/cmake/navit_macros.cmake: Refactor:build/cmake:Better comments & variable name. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5535
18:48 #navit: < Navit> sleske * r5536 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:build/cmake:Make CMake variable ENABLE_NLS work. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5536
18:48 #navit: < Navit> sleske * r5537 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt /trunk/navit/Makefile.am /trunk/navit/config.h.cmake /trunk/navit/configure.in /trunk/navit/navit/intl_cmake/relocatable.c /trunk/navit/navit/main.c /trunk/navit/navit/navit_nls.c /trunk/navit/navit/support/glib/glibintl.h: Refactor:core:Rename switch ENABLE_NLS to USE_NATIVE_LANGUAGE_SUPPORT for consistency. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5537
18:48 #navit: < Navit> sleske * r5538 /trunk/navit/cmake/navit_macros.cmake: Fix:build/cmake:Remove unnecessary warning for user-defined setting. http://navit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/navit?view=revision&revision=5538
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21:38 #navit: < tryagain> Number6 I think it would be smart to redirect maps7 acceses to some other mapsN server (but not to maps6). So that users do not get empty page when they are accessing maps.navit-project.org.
21:38 #navit: < tryagain> will go to sleep now.
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