--- Log opened Mon Jun 17 00:00:19 2013 01:14 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5539.failed 02:17 -!- cp15` [orkmys@p57B1D9B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:17 -!- cp15 [vxnbgq@p57B1C4D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:17 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 02:17 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 02:25 -!- jan___ [~jan__@p4FF66EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:27 -!- jan__ [~jan__@p5B0E8890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:00 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224049030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:05 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224048008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 04:03 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224048008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:07 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@g224056157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 04:12 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 04:15 -!- jan___ [~jan__@p4FF66EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 05:46 -!- mcr42 [91fd8072@gateway/web/freenode/ip.145.253.128.114] has joined #navit 06:08 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:31 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20d8:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has joined #navit 06:31 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20d8:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has left #navit [] 06:42 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 07:10 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has joined #navit 07:10 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has left #navit [] 07:13 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:15 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 07:33 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 07:53 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has joined #navit 07:53 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:b1bd:6ff8:69fd:5e1c] has left #navit [] 07:54 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-44-170.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@220-107.wlan.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 07:59 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@220-107.wlan.uni-rostock.de] has left #navit [] 08:04 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:32 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 08:45 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 08:50 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05 -!- cp15 [orkmys@p57B1D9B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:33 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:37 #navit: < mcr42> I need a quick help with events/callbacks. Anyone got a minute? 09:40 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 09:55 -!- cp15 [tjqrim@p57B1D9B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 09:56 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 10:01 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:04 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 10:05 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 10:27 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 11:28 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:30 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 11:50 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:53 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 12:13 -!- rd_ [~rd@p5088FF9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 12:16 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B49B6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:22 -!- ventYl [~ventyl@ip-88-212-35-8.antik.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:22 -!- ventYl [~ventyl@ip-88-212-35-8.antik.sk] has joined #navit 12:25 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26 -!- Angelus88 [9e66a205@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.102.162.5] has joined #navit 12:26 #navit: < Angelus88> hello everyone 12:29 #navit: < Angelus88> I posted this topic in the forum, hope you will find it usefull: https://forum.navit-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=405 12:48 -!- Angelus88 [9e66a205@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.102.162.5] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20 #navit: < mcr42> Great one. Looks like it could go into the Wiki 1:1 ;-) 13:26 -!- rd_ [~rd@p5088FF9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:29 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 13:35 #navit: < mcr42> added to the wiki: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Raspberry_Pi 13:35 -!- mcr42 [91fd8072@gateway/web/freenode/ip.145.253.128.114] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:51 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:51 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 14:43 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:44 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 16:36 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 16:49 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 17:20 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has joined #navit 18:02 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@64.201.252.130] has joined #navit 18:04 -!- KaZeR [~kazer@64.201.252.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR_W@64.201.252.130] has joined #navit 18:04 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR_W@64.201.252.130] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05 -!- KaZeR_W [~KaZeR_W@64.201.252.130] has joined #navit 18:13 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:16 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 18:42 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 18:58 -!- Navit [~Navit@static.3.141.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02 -!- Navit [~Navit@static.3.141.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined #navit 19:33 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34 -!- pini [~pini@bou-fi.pustule.org] has joined #navit 20:21 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-105-041.ras.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 20:22 #navit: < Usul1> good evening everybody :) 20:23 #navit: < Usul1> I cleaned up this packages list: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Download_Navit (sadly we doesn't seem to provide SVN builds for the major Linuxes?) 20:25 #navit: < xenos1984> hi Usul1 ;) 20:26 #navit: < xenos1984> good news: a colleague from hamburg bought a nexus 7 at conrad for me and will send it tomorrow :) 20:28 #navit: < Usul1> yeaha :) 20:29 #navit: < Usul1> I bought a WindowsMobile Phone today with ebay. So testing will become better, I get a OpenMoko from another Mapper from Lübeck as well :) 20:29 #navit: < xenos1984> great :) 20:30 -!- _rd [~rd@p5088FF9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 20:30 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... seems that we really need to provide some up to date binaries for those distros... hopefully soon also ubuntu touch ;) 20:31 #navit: < Usul1> Yes, but I have no idea, how we can acomblish the packaging with our custom build server :( 20:32 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... shouldn't it be simple to create, for example, a .deb package? or a .rpm? 20:32 #navit: < Usul1> I'm not familar with packaging at all, maybe pini can give us feedback? 20:34 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, that would be good 20:34 #navit: < xenos1984> i only know the basics ;) 20:34 #navit: < Usul1> BTW what do you think, if we focus on getting TT to cmake, if you return from SOTM BT? 20:36 #navit: < Usul1> I'm not sure, if can help, but maybe this will help us to simplify building and support for building platforms? 20:36 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... we can try... but honestly i have no idea how that works... i looked into it, but could not really understand it 20:36 #navit: < Usul1> we will see ;) 20:37 #navit: < xenos1984> yes :) 20:38 #navit: < Usul1> maybe we can use this new version to do a first test release 20:38 #navit: < Usul1> I thought about disabling (currently) broken features as (IMHO) drawing buildings for example 20:40 #navit: < Usul1> FYI my hometown Schwerin in webgl in 3D :) http://map.f4-group.com/#lon=1270574&lat=7098449&zoom=18&camera.theta=75.416&camera.phi=-32.294 20:40 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... why broken? you mean because at some zoom levels buildings look like triangles? 20:41 #navit: < xenos1984> looks nice :) 20:41 #navit: < Usul1> yes, the generalisation strategy doesn't work for buildings and the map rendering is very slow in high density areas 20:41 #navit: < xenos1984> i see... 20:41 #navit: < Usul1> IMHO there is no need to rollout features that currently doesn't work right? 20:42 #navit: < xenos1984> well, at least it shows some buildings, and it works at other zoom levels 20:43 #navit: < Usul1> sure, but if we don't find a way, to simplify the mass of buildings (so preprocessing), it will be a mess on embedded systems :/ 20:45 #navit: < xenos1984> well, one can always disable them in the style, or create one without buildings 20:45 #navit: < xenos1984> at least until the rendering is improved 20:46 #navit: < Usul1> hmm but don't we try to get to a out-of-the box release? Why should we expect our users to find workarounds on their own? 20:47 #navit: < Usul1> Please don't missunderstand, I'm very ok with buildings (esp. in 3D ;)) 20:48 #navit: < Usul1> But I think it's currently more important to bring features/setups to people that they can rely on. 20:49 #navit: < Usul1> At skype you told me about this search strategy problem. I guess I had something similar, because my parents life outside a village and there is a n km long service road to our home ;) 20:49 #navit: < xenos1984> one can make the style without buildings the default for embedded devices 20:50 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, i see ;) i found this problem when i tried to calculate a route from tartu to warsaw (900km) 20:51 #navit: < Usul1> yeah maybe something like that. Personally, I would like to avoid showing this generalisation bug on desktops, too. This would avoid confusion and double bug reports etc. Or from the other side: I don't see any pros if we offer people this kind of "feature" ;) 20:53 #navit: < Usul1> so I will go to bed, was stressing today (Prof.) 20:53 #navit: < Usul1> n8 :) 20:53 #navit: < xenos1984> well, one can see buildings, and those are certainly important objects on a map ;) just removing them would be a disadvantage, and people would immediately complain 20:53 #navit: < xenos1984> gn8 ;) 20:53 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@stw-105-041.ras.uni-rostock.de] has left #navit [] 20:57 -!- _rd [~rd@p5088FF9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 21:11 #navit: < tryagain> oh, missed a lot of phun. Pleeease do not remove buildings, they are working fine for me. :) And we actually have default android car layout which hides them until very high zoom level. 21:11 #navit: < tryagain> It's very useful to see how a building of interest looks like to navigate last hundred meters in areas where service roads are not mapped very well. 21:12 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, i think so too 21:12 #navit: < xenos1984> btw, tryagain, i got some feedback regarding estonian administrative borders 21:12 #navit: < tryagain> sounds interesting... 21:13 #navit: < xenos1984> some people supported changing the tagging, others commented, but did not oppose 21:13 #navit: < xenos1984> and yet others recommended using the official state classification system 21:13 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess i will work out a tagging scheme including both 21:14 #navit: < xenos1984> until then they recommended using the names ("küla", "vald", "linn"...) for differentiating 21:16 #navit: < tryagain> but is there any reason found to have kula missing from nodes while existing on its surrounding boundary with the same name? 21:17 #navit: < xenos1984> i guess that's just an estonian thing ;) like in germany, where a village may be called "Bergfeld", but its administrative area is "Gemeinde Bergfeld" 21:20 #navit: < tryagain> so theres' no way besides hardcoding these words to make a match? 21:22 #navit: < xenos1984> hm... i guess the only other way would be to add admin_center to each boundary relation 21:28 -!- ScriptFanix [vincent@Hanaman.riquer.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:30 #navit: < tryagain> ok, will go to sleep now... Maybe a solution will come that way :) 21:30 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@87.245.203.27] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 23:31 -!- ScriptFanix [vincent@Hanaman.riquer.fr] has joined #navit --- Log closed Tue Jun 18 00:00:19 2013