--- Log opened Wed Jul 03 00:00:00 2013 00:06 -!- KaZeR_W [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 01:07 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5543.failed 01:12 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 02:16 -!- cp15` [wlnhku@p57B1DB1B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:16 -!- cp15 [opwgyk@p57B1DD34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:16 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 02:17 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 03:43 -!- tg [~x@unaffiliated/tg] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:37 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 05:17 -!- swed1 [~asdfasdf@tmo-106-98.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #navit 05:20 -!- KaZeR_W [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23 -!- KaZeR_W [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 05:25 -!- KaZeR_W_ [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 05:28 -!- KaZeR_W [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:02 -!- tg [~x@unaffiliated/tg] has joined #navit 06:11 -!- chollya [~chollya@2a02:7200:0:7::150] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 -!- KaZeR_W_ [~KaZeR_W@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43 -!- tg [~x@unaffiliated/tg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:54 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:56 -!- bzed [~bzed@devel.recluse.de] has joined #navit 06:59 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-44-170.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08 -!- Tauso [~Thunderbi@line1.magix.net] has joined #navit 07:53 -!- Tauso [~Thunderbi@line1.magix.net] has quit [Quit: Tauso] 07:56 -!- mcr42 [91fd8072@gateway/web/freenode/ip.145.253.128.114] has joined #navit 07:57 -!- mcr42 is now known as Guest48188 07:58 -!- Guest48188 is now known as mcr42_ 08:16 #navit: < mcr42_> Allthough file.c does support HTTP-URLs, I can not find proxy support. How hard would it be to add it? Would that be a welcomned feature? 08:18 #navit: < mcr42_> Also, a few weeks ago I sent a patch to track where I modified file.c so downloads work in WinCE. I can't find it anymore. Does someone have a clue about that? 08:18 #navit: < mcr42_> s/track/trac/ 08:21 #navit: < mcr42_> ok, I found my trac tickets again. 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I like it 19:33 #navit: < Usul1> hi rainer 19:33 #navit: < Usul1> sry Rainero_de 19:36 #navit: < Rainero_de> Hi Usul1 19:37 #navit: < Usul1> if you like, we can talk DE at a seperated channel 19:39 #navit: < Rainero_de> if you like 19:40 #navit: < Rainero_de> I am not so familiar with the irc stuff 19:41 #navit: < Usul1> we can stay here for EN, not a problem 19:41 #navit: < Rainero_de> what do you think about my little feature 19:42 #navit: < Usul1> I'm not sure if I understood it right, it's about dynamical zooming, depended on the current speed? 19:43 #navit: < Rainero_de> no, this already exist 19:43 #navit: < Usul1> can you give me some further informations, please? 19:43 #navit: < Rainero_de> I have dona zoom function depend on the type of the road 19:44 #navit: < Usul1> *douh* yeah right 19:44 #navit: < Rainero_de> That means if you driv on a german high way for example you wll have a zoom out , if you drive inside the city you wll get a zoom in 19:44 #navit: * Usul1 reviewed to much tickets today 19:45 #navit: < Usul1> Did you already give it a try in the wild? 19:46 #navit: < Rainero_de> additionally before each maneuver you will get a zoom in step by step to have a good overview for the menuever 19:46 #navit: < Rainero_de> I use it for almoast one year 19:46 #navit: < Usul1> cool :) 19:46 #navit: < Rainero_de> I cannot live without any more 19:46 #navit: < Rainero_de> before Navit i used Navigon and I missed this feature in Navit 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> I'm mostly just a pedestrian/biker so hats not my fokus in general 19:47 #navit: < Rainero_de> I only use Navit, there is nothing better :-) 19:47 #navit: < Usul1> how will it affect this profiles? 19:48 #navit: < Usul1> and is it already commited to the current svn? 19:49 #navit: < Rainero_de> you have to specify a zoom factor for each tpye of street, I have given an example in the trac 19:50 #navit: < Rainero_de> 19:50 #navit: < Rainero_de> for example 19:50 #navit: < Usul1> yes, I thought I saw this already at our default navit.xml 19:50 #navit: < Rainero_de> No i do not have comitted to svn 19:51 #navit: < Rainero_de> I think only authorized users can do changes 19:52 #navit: <@cp15> Can't it be calculated from speed? 19:53 #navit: < Usul1> Rainero_de: cp15 is our maintainer and can add your feature if you provide patch files 19:54 #navit: < Rainero_de> ok, bit i o not know how to do this and I don't know if my feature is done with a good style. 19:54 #navit: < Rainero_de> this is the reason, why I opend a trac 19:55 #navit: < Rainero_de> speed calculation is used for the other zoom function, I tried this 19:56 #navit: < Rainero_de> but this does not meets my requirements :-) 19:56 #navit: <@cp15> I dislike the zoom in the roadprofile. It really doesn't belong to there 19:56 #navit: <@cp15> But the idea is valid 19:56 #navit: < Rainero_de> maybe there is a better way to do this. 19:57 #navit: < Usul1> I think this a pretty cool feature, but due my lack of driver experience I don't full understand why asigning it to roads might be more clever than to specify zoom by speed? 19:57 #navit: <@cp15> Instead of coding the zoom factor into the road profile can you try whether it is sufficient to use the route_speed from the road profile and calculate the zoom factor out of it? 19:58 #navit: < Rainero_de> the reason why I did not used the speed zoom function is, that I want to have a good overview on the highway independent from the speed. In the city I am interested in more details 19:58 #navit: < Usul1> Maybe if we use speed values, this is more consistent, as we use it on speed dependend OSD widgets already 19:59 #navit: < Rainero_de> This is the reason why I do not want to use speed 19:59 #navit: <@cp15> That is why I suggested to use route_speed. It doesn't depend on the actual speed 19:59 #navit: < Usul1> I see. But doesn't a highway has somewhat a minimum speed of ~80KMh? I would expect drivers that are unfamilar with the route to drive slower? 20:00 #navit: < Rainero_de> I use SGS2 and there you need a good overview while driving :-) 20:00 #navit: < Usul1> What is SGS2? 20:00 #navit: < Rainero_de> samsung galaxy II 20:00 #navit: < Usul1> ahhhh :D 20:02 #navit: < Usul1> I undestand that you say: "On highways I need overview! -> zoom out" and "In cities, I care for see the exact instructions/roads-> zoom in!" 20:02 #navit: < Rainero_de> you are right, with ~80kmh, but in the city you also can have speed up to eg 70kmh, and there is a need of different level of detail, from my point af view 20:02 #navit: < Usul1> hmm, ok 20:02 #navit: < Rainero_de> yes 20:02 #navit: < Usul1> where are you living, within a megacity or vilage? 20:03 #navit: < Rainero_de> stuttgart 20:03 #navit: < Usul1> oh, the trainstation :D 20:03 #navit: < Rainero_de> :D 20:03 #navit: < Rainero_de> famous 20:04 #navit: < Usul1> and the protests of course 20:04 #navit: < Rainero_de> indeed 20:04 #navit: < Usul1> ok, so I see, if there is for example a city highway or a 70km/h street within the city 20:05 #navit: < Rainero_de> yes 20:05 #navit: < Usul1> But here is the same corelation between roadclass and speed, isn't it? *grübel* 20:07 #navit: < Rainero_de> no, if you are in a traffic jam on the highway, I do not want to see the next 400m 20:07 #navit: < Usul1> Ah, a good point! 20:08 #navit: < Rainero_de> an in Stuttgart there is alot of traffic cam :-( 20:09 #navit: < Rainero_de> and manually zooming in and out while driving ... I prefere an automatizm 20:09 #navit: < Rainero_de> also buttons are small on sgs2 20:09 #navit: < Usul1> cp15: maybe we can offer both? So speed and class dependend? Or have a blocking for a few secs or something? 20:10 #navit: < Usul1> Rainero_de: We plan a new release 0.5.1 for this year. The focus is mostly stability, but also to offer only features that work fine on all ports 20:10 #navit: <@cp15> When using route_speed it depends on the class 20:11 #navit: < Rainero_de> ok, maybe you can discuss this one, I have only experience on android 20:11 #navit: < Usul1> You are very welcome to join in this discussion and bring in the Android/smartphone perspective :) 20:12 #navit: < Rainero_de> thanks 20:12 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 20:12 #navit: < Usul1> cp15: But what about the traffic jam example? How would you avoid, that the user needs to adjust zoom by hand again and again? 20:13 #navit: <@cp15> Hm? 20:13 #navit: <@cp15> route_speed is always the same, not depending on a traffic jam 20:13 #navit: < Usul1> As it's the interpolated speed by max_speed? 20:14 #navit: < Rainero_de> @cp15, I use the street type attribute to set the zoom factor 20:14 #navit: < Rainero_de> it is not the max_speed 20:14 #navit: <@cp15> Yes, I see that. Fine, but I don't want to have the zoom factor in the road profile. Use the max_speed from the road profile instead 20:15 #navit: <@cp15> Argh... Use the route_speed this should have been 20:16 #navit: < Rainero_de> @cp15 good idea, i will try this, this is less configuration work in navit.xml 20:16 #navit: < Usul1> which is always great ;) 20:16 #navit: < Rainero_de> yes 20:17 #navit: < Rainero_de> I will try and share my experience :-) 20:17 #navit: <@cp15> And makes more sense... The road profile defines how a vehicle moves on a particular road type. zoom should not belong there 20:17 #navit: < Usul1> So you think about seperation of vehicle aspects as routing and map rendering? 20:18 #navit: <@cp15> No, the vehicle should need no map rendering configuration 20:19 #navit: < Rainero_de> ok, I am not familiar with the overal functionality, I did the feature while not kowing so much about Navit programming 20:19 #navit: < Rainero_de> I am just a user 20:19 #navit: <@cp15> Well, in the future if someone likes he can do so with some