--- Log opened Mon Aug 05 00:00:01 2013 00:10 -!- mlechner [~mlechner@p54BABEE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 00:15 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 00:15 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 00:21 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:21 -!- mlechner [~mlechner@p54BABEE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:05 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5560.failed 02:10 -!- cp15` [ktelsh@p57B1E63F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 02:10 -!- cp15 [qqnfgr@p57B1D6C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:10 -!- cp15` is now known as cp15 02:10 -!- mode/#navit [+o cp15] by ChanServ 03:58 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 05:07 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 05:07 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 05:10 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:11 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 05:11 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 05:15 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 05:38 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:12 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 06:12 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 06:16 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-45-63.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:44 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 08:41 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:49 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 09:06 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@2001:638:804:20dc:e097:8291:b8a3:95fa] has joined #navit 09:07 #navit: < Usul1> good morning folks :) 09:18 #navit: < Usul1> I would be happy, if anybody would give feedback on the 0.5.1. roadmap 10:02 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052233043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 10:05 #navit: < ventYl> wiki or forum? 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12:21 #navit: < xenos1984_> i guess you can also find vvoovv and marek 12:21 #navit: < Usul1> I think vvoovv is on the left side with the brown shirt and marek... 12:21 #navit: < Usul1> ...wait 12:22 #navit: < xenos1984_> the blue ones are the ones that wear their sotm shirts ;) but everyone got one 12:22 #navit: < Usul1> oh wait vvoovv is right behind you 12:22 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes ;) 12:23 #navit: < Usul1> is marek the smaller one with the green shirt? 12:23 #navit: < xenos1984_> nope... 12:23 #navit: < Usul1> ah the one with the basecap of course :D 12:24 #navit: < xenos1984_> right :) 12:24 #navit: * Usul1 is getting extra points 12:24 #navit: < Usul1> do you plan to create a post at the german OSM forum or the osm blog? 12:25 #navit: < xenos1984_> ah, good idea, i could also post it there... so far i posted it only in the estonian one 12:26 #navit: < Usul1> I know the guys of the german blog, they are very happy, if new people contribute single articles and create a wider spectrum 12:27 #navit: < Usul1> but of course this will create further work as you might need to reflect impressions for the german mappers 12:28 #navit: < xenos1984_> hm... i see... for now i'll post it in the forum ;) 12:32 #navit: < xenos1984_> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=352059#p352059 12:49 #navit: < Usul1> I will share it on D* is there is article in EN somewhere? 12:58 #navit: < xenos1984_> hm... i don't think so... at least not yet ;) 13:04 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 13:07 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:49 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@222-149.wlan.uni-rostock.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:13 -!- kamikaaze [~Kami@pD953F30C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 14:22 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has joined #navit 15:03 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 15:04 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:41 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.23] has joined #navit 15:49 #navit: < xenos1984_> hi tryagain, i was discussing the problem of country borders at the SotM this weekend (videos are not yet online) and in the osm forum: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22044 15:49 #navit: < xenos1984_> we did not find a complete conclusion yet 15:50 #navit: < xenos1984_> according to ISO3166-1 norway and "svalbard & jan mayen" should be separate 15:50 #navit: < xenos1984_> according to some norwegians these islands should be part of norway 15:51 #navit: < xenos1984_> similar problem with france and new caledonia 15:51 -!- kamikaaze [~Kami@pD953F30C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:53 #navit: < tryagain> yes, new caledonia boundary has admin level=3, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/2177258 15:55 #navit: < tryagain> How do people write postal address for these countries? Do they write France somewhere if address is in New Caledonia? 15:55 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.130] has joined #navit 15:55 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 15:56 #navit: < xenos1984_> good point - that was also one of the suggestions i got yesterday, without an answer yet, but i can figure this out 15:56 #navit: < tryagain> And does FR ISO code cover continental France only? 15:56 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, FR is only for continental france, similar was NO 15:57 #navit: < tryagain> Then FR should be removed from admin_level=2 relation and put to admin_level=3 one... 15:57 #navit: < tryagain> as admin_level=2 covers dependent territories, too 15:58 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 15:59 #navit: < xenos1984> yes, sounds reasonable 15:59 #navit: < tryagain> but wiki doesnt specify admin_level=3 for france 15:59 #navit: < tryagain> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries 16:00 #navit: < xenos1984> ah, right 16:01 #navit: < xenos1984> maybe i should propose that 16:01 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02 #navit: < tryagain> BTW, admin_level=2 should be equal to enitiy having ISO 3166 code http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admin_level#National 16:02 #navit: < tryagain> this all seems to contradict the practice and should be changed 16:04 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 16:05 #navit: < tryagain> afk 16:05 #navit: < xenos1984_> hm... the wiki is not really clear about this - it says that admin_level=2 should be used ONLY for entities with ISO3166 code, but does not say that ALL these entities are countries... 16:06 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 a quote from that page: "For the sake of clarity, only political entities listed on the ISO 3166 standard are to be considered countries." 16:19 #navit: < tryagain> So France as a whole, not listed on ISO3166, can't be considered to be a country. 16:23 #navit: < tryagain> And comment on the http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1403916 is wrong, as this and only this relation represents iso3166 enity FR 16:25 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, that's true 16:26 #navit: < tryagain> so we should follow this relation to get FR boundary (as navit is internally bound to ISO3166). If community does not accept marking that relation with ISO code, we probably can only hardcode its id into maptool. 16:27 -!- udovdh [~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, that makes sense 16:31 #navit: < xenos1984_> according to wikipedia FR includes continental france and clipperton island 16:42 #navit: < tryagain> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:FR says that Dependency and overseas territorial collectivities have both subcode like FR-NC and country code like NC 16:42 #navit: < tryagain> So it looks like FR is not for continental part only 16:44 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, in ISO3166-2, but they have separate ISO3166-1 codes 16:45 #navit: < xenos1984_> this is really confusing 17:00 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052233043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #navit 17:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey there. xenos1984_ : wasn't your talk yesterday? 17:07 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08 #navit: < xenos1984_> hi KaZeR, yes it was - it's not online yet 17:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. please let me know, i really look forward to listening to it :) 17:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> about FR code : you might want to check also if Corsica is covered by the continental code, despite being an island :) i believe it is 17:09 #navit: < xenos1984_> i will ;) there was some interest from the conference participants, mostly from philipp kandal from skobbler 17:10 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, corsica is included in FR 17:17 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.23] has joined #navit 17:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> xenos1984_: nice! 18:48 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-45-63.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 18:48 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-45-63.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-45-63.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 19:46 -!- kamikaaze [~Kami@pD953F30C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 19:54 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 19:56 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:22 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-45-63.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 20:49 -!- xenos1984 [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:50 -!- kamikaaze [~Kami@pD953F30C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:09 -!- woglinde [~henning@f052233043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 -!- curious [curious@bwv190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53 -!- curious [curious@bwv190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #navit 22:18 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit --- Log closed Tue Aug 06 00:00:00 2013