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Channel is logged : http://irclogs.navit.ie/ Follow @NavitProject on Twitter. 06:59 -!- Topic set by KaZeR [~kazer@4.170.67.86.rev.sfr.net] [Mon May 23 17:10:04 2011] 06:59 [Users #navit] 06:59 [@ChanServ] [ Celelibi] [ gringo ] [ Navit ] [ Number6 ] [ udovdh ] 06:59 [@Horwitz ] [ chollya ] [ hape ] [ NavitLog1er] [ pini ] [ ventyl ] 06:59 [ Brinky ] [ ColdFyre] [ latouche] [ NavitLogger] [ tg ] [ xenos1984] 06:59 [ bzed ] [ curious ] [ lenochod] [ noradtux ] [ tparcina] 06:59 -!- Irssi: #navit: Total of 23 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal] 06:59 -!- Channel #navit created Sun Nov 26 06:47:57 2006 06:59 -!- Irssi: Join to #navit was synced in 6 secs 07:07 -!- xenos1984_ [~quassel@131.237.196.88.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 07:10 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: xenos1984, NavitLogger 07:56 -!- DonAlex [~DonAlex@cpc5-finc11-0-0-cust183.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #navit 07:56 #navit: < DonAlex> Morning peeps... 07:57 #navit: < DonAlex> So simple but obvious question ... Do I enable postcode search via the xml file on android like the desktop version ? 08:18 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B4BFBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 08:34 -!- lenochod [~chatzilla@213.192.10.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:29 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B4BFBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:50 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@vpn-106-034.ras.uni-rostock.de] has joined #navit 09:50 #navit: < Usul1> Hi everybody :) 09:50 #navit: < Usul1> Greetings to the team from Lisbon ;) 09:51 #navit: < Usul1> I finally finished all stuff and are now 3 months here, that I like to spend on Navit, too :D 10:23 -!- DonAlex [~DonAlex@cpc5-finc11-0-0-cust183.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:23 #navit: < xenos1984_> hi Usul1, i hope it's not too warm over there ;) 10:23 #navit: < Usul1> hi xenos1984_ :) 10:23 #navit: < Usul1> Well the sun is rising and it's about 27°C -.- 10:24 #navit: < Usul1> Now I completely understand, why there is siesta or the night is a better time to work ;) 10:26 #navit: < xenos1984_> quite understandable ;) 10:26 #navit: < xenos1984_> when i got up today we hat 10°C 10:26 #navit: < xenos1984_> *had 10:28 #navit: < xenos1984_> btw, i have made many new icons in the meantime ;) i can upload them to the forum thread when i converted them to png 10:37 -!- kamikaaze [~Kamikaaze@pD953F2EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 10:46 -!- tryagain [~tryagain@178.216.76.23] has joined #navit 10:52 #navit: < Usul1> thanks, would be nice to check them out 10:53 #navit: < Usul1> I'm still not sure, if we can get the 0.5.1 during this year. So much things need to be done and I don't have the impression, that the team had already discussed some fundamental decisions as dropping languages or unmaintained components? 10:58 #navit: < tryagain> why shoud we drop languages? Any language which has incomplete translation will have only some sentences translated. It's better than nothing. 10:58 #navit: < xenos1984_> i don't think so - and actually i don't think we should drop languages... maintaining them is not much work and we can certainly find people who are willing to translate into their native language if there is still someting missing 11:01 #navit: < xenos1984_> regarding unmaintained components: i wouldn't completely throw them away, just maybe hide them from the main build and make them optional for people who compile navit themselves and could invest some effort in making them run 11:09 #navit: < xenos1984_> icons uploaded: https://forum.navit-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=409&p=639#p639 11:09 #navit: < Usul1> languages: I'm not sure about that. If we want to get to some stable releases, we should (IMHO!) only release things that work and are (somehow) complete. Otherwise users will expect that we have full language support and are disappointed if we just have 1..2 words internationalized. But what I really like to see there is to make use of a translation service, so we can attract external ones to provide us the translations, even if they aren't 11:11 #navit: < xenos1984_> well, we could write on the webpage which languages are complete and which are not - people might also be disappointed if their language is completely missing 11:12 #navit: < Usul1> Thats exactly what launchpad etc. does, but we haven't established the integration completely and the backward channel 11:12 #navit: < xenos1984_> i think it would be more motivating to see that it is already partially supported (and there is more hope to get complete support since only parts are missing) 11:12 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, indeed 11:13 #navit: < Usul1> So maybe just saying, that we will add languages that have been at least 50% translated? 11:13 #navit: < Usul1> components: cp15 said he usually uses a preprocessor statement to disable blocks, which is very ok for me. Again personally I don't want to skip things (that other people paid a lot of attention and work on) but I like to provide the users tested and mostly error free functionality.Navigation is one of the scenarios, where endusers aren't very tollerant at 11:13 #navit: < Usul1> as if there is an error appealing, when they do a hundret kilometers trip and the navi guides them wrong, crashes, ... 11:14 #navit: < Usul1> xenos1984_: Thanks for the icons, will check them out later :) 11:15 #navit: < xenos1984_> no problem ;) 11:15 #navit: < xenos1984_> well, i think we can include all languages, but we should tell the user which ones still need work 11:16 #navit: < xenos1984_> yes, navit should run stable, at least the prebuilt binaries 11:16 #navit: < xenos1984_> i would disable features using configure / cmake options which are switched off by default 11:17 #navit: < xenos1984_> i somebody wants them he can switch them on when he compiles - somebody who does this should expect things not to work perfectly 11:17 #navit: < xenos1984_> *if 11:20 -!- fOB [~fob@ip-37-24-46-118.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #navit 11:22 #navit: < Usul1> yep 11:22 #navit: < Usul1> so we have a reliable (somehow) stable version and a kind of staging area in nightly builds 11:23 #navit: < Usul1> so support is focused on stable versions and we don't have to deal with the "which SVN do you need? Oh the 0.2...) stuff anymore ;) (hopefully) 11:24 #navit: < Usul1> Knows anybody how cp15 is going? Is he stressed? 11:30 #navit: < xenos1984_> i haven't seen him here for a while 11:32 #navit: < Usul1> He once said, that he might get involved in a project, so that he wouldn't have that much time till winter :/ 11:33 #navit: < xenos1984_> ah, i see... so it's our task now to be more active ;) 11:34 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has joined #navit 11:36 #navit: < Usul1> yep, but honestly as a maintainer it's up to him to take essential decisions ;) 11:37 #navit: < Usul1> So I still have no feedback about the 0.5.1 roadmap and about the disabling features thing etc. 11:37 #navit: < Usul1> and there are patches in the TRAC that need his attention (or anybody else, who dares) :( 11:39 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@ip-88-212-35-8.antik.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:39 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39 #navit: < xenos1984_> hm... i could have a look at those patches, i think... at the moment i'm also a bit busy at work (well, one of two important milestones got finished 2 days ago, just one more to go), but after that i might have a bit more time 11:40 #navit: < Usul1> not a problem, we are just a spare time project :) 11:41 #navit: < Usul1> But, if we say (we don't have to!) that we like to release 0.5.1 before x-mas than we really need to focus our small powers :) 11:41 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@ip-88-212-35-8.antik.sk] has joined #navit 11:41 #navit: < Usul1> BTW kamikaaze: How is your F-droid thing going? :) 11:42 #navit: < Usul1> Did you had a warm welcome here and over at the repo community? 11:43 #navit: < xenos1984_> i agree, that's why navit is my highest priority spare time project ;) 11:44 #navit: < kamikaaze> Hi 11:44 #navit: < Usul1> not sure if I can provide the same level of energy, as here are to much to attractive girls out there ;) 11:44 #navit: < Usul1> hi kamikaaze :) 11:45 #navit: < kamikaaze> Well, there were / are some build dependency issues. 11:45 #navit: < kamikaaze> Right now i am waiting for them to install libsaxonb on their build server 11:47 #navit: < kamikaaze> Eventually after that i either have to manipulate the CMakeList.txt through some sed command, or the CMakeList.txt file needs to be changed. 11:48 #navit: < kamikaaze> Because saxon will be preferred over saxonb if you have both installed on your system. And with saxon it won't compile for android. 11:48 #navit: < Usul1> ah I see! 11:49 #navit: < xenos1984_> Usul1: that must be a local problem ;) just close your curtains and don't leave the house, and these "disturbing entities" will be gone ;) 11:51 -!- drlizau [~liz@billiau.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@vpn-106-034.ras.uni-rostock.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:55 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@a88-157-130-98.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #navit 11:56 #navit: < tryagain> kamikaaze what is the problem with saxon? May be we could make it be working for android builds? 11:58 #navit: < kamikaaze> if you don't have saxonb installed or both (saxon and saxonb) it will use saxon to parse the xml Files 11:58 #navit: < kamikaaze> But saxon will throw an error while parsing: 11:58 #navit: < kamikaaze> Error at xsl:next-match on line 22 of file:/home/vagrant/build/org.navitproject.navit/navit/navit/xslt/android.xslt: 11:58 #navit: < kamikaaze> Unknown XSLT element: next-match 11:58 #navit: < kamikaaze> Transformation failed: Run-time errors were reported 11:58 #navit: < Usul1> xenos1984_: Not sure about that ;) And as we all know since Password Swordfish, a real coders has to be able to have full concentration on cracking a login *g* 12:00 #navit: < kamikaaze> So what helps is to say if you try to build for android then you need to have saxonb installed in CMakeList.txt Line 412 12:01 #navit: < kamikaaze> Right now it looks for saxon;saxon8;saxonb-xslt;saxon-xslt;xsltproc;transform.exe 12:01 #navit: < kamikaaze> and because of this order saxon will be preferred over saxonb which leads to a compiler error 12:02 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has joined #navit 12:02 #navit: < xenos1984_> Usul1: i think i remember that movie... well, fortunately there at not that terrible disturbances here at my place :) 12:03 #navit: < Usul1> no nice women in Tartu? 12:04 #navit: < tryagain> kamikaaze ic.. looks like we just should switch the preference order... 12:06 #navit: < xenos1984_> i don't know, i don't have my eyes open for such things ;) 12:07 -!- _rd [~rd@p57B4BFBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 12:07 #navit: < Usul1> Oh come on, live is to short just for coding :P 12:08 #navit: < xenos1984_> life is to short to waste it with NOT coding ;) 12:08 #navit: < xenos1984_> *too ;) 12:09 #navit: < kamikaaze> I am not sure because as it seems that you will need saxonb to compile for android. It will not work with saxon. 12:09 #navit: < kamikaaze> Maybe try something like this; http://pastebin.com/uytic5im 12:09 -!- mlechner [~mlechner@p54BAB4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 12:09 -!- mlechner [~mlechner@p54BAB4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 #navit: < kamikaaze> But i have not tested it yet 12:10 #navit: < xenos1984_> kamikaaze: why exactly is saxon complaining? if it throws an error, maybe there is some problem with our xml / xslt code that can be fixed, so it will work with saxon? 12:11 #navit: < tryagain> it looks like saxon just does not support an xslt feature we use 12:11 #navit: * Usul1 is happy about chan cooperation :) 12:11 #navit: < kamikaaze> I think it is this "next-match" element in navit/xslt/android.xslt 12:11 #navit: < kamikaaze> Saxon does not to understand it 12:12 #navit: < kamikaaze> but i don't know anything about saxon and all this xslt stuff 12:13 #navit: < tryagain> do you know anything about other saxon variants listed? I know saxonb-xslt works fine for me. So I would place it first in that list. 12:14 #navit: < kamikaaze> yeah that is enough. but for users that don't have saxonb installed there will be no error message on missing software for the comilation process like "saxonb" not installed 12:14 #navit: < kamikaaze> Like this trac ticket: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/696 12:17 #navit: < tryagain> That's a question, if build system should print exact error cause (missing saxonb-xslt), or it's enough to have that requirement noticed on wiki. 12:17 #navit: < xenos1984_> ah, i see - next-match is xslt 2.0, saxon does not support it... 12:17 #navit: < xenos1984_> so i think we should either not use this feature or not use saxon at all, an just kick it from the list 12:19 #navit: < tryagain> saxon probably works well with other builds, where we do not use xslt 2.0 intensively 12:19 #navit: < kamikaaze> yes. But i don't know if it is neccessary int the xslt file 12:19 #navit: < kamikaaze> if not i would remove it 12:22 #navit: < tryagain> actually, we have other low-end xslt transformers listed. So if we decide to remove something, we should drop them all at once. So... 12:24 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5625 /trunk/navit/CMakeLists.txt: Fix:core:Prefer saxonb-xslt transformer when other variants present too. It's proven to work well for android builds requiring xsl 2.0. http://sourceforge.net/p/navit/code/5625/ 12:24 #navit: < kamikaaze> i meant to remove the "next-match" thing 12:25 #navit: < tryagain> ah.... 12:25 #navit: < tryagain> :) 12:25 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26 -!- latouche [~Latouche@reverse-169.fdn.fr] has joined #navit 12:33 -!- Usul1 [~matthias@a88-157-130-98.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:51 #navit: < Navit> mdankov * r5626 /trunk/navit/po/cs.po.in: Add:core:Update translations for Czech language. 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