--- Log opened Tue Aug 05 00:00:41 2014
00:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> let me give it a try later on then, and feel free to come back whenever you need
00:08 #navit: < bafplus> You will probably see me online when you wake up ;-) Have a nice day!
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07:36 #navit: < tauso> good morning :-D has somebody read my problem and can give me a hint, what could be wrong? I've tried to use xi:include, but it doens't work on my android device.
07:36 #navit: < tauso>
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08:19 #navit: < bafplus> Good morning!
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08:44 #navit: < bafplus> Can somebody look at this log: http://pastebin.com/7vdGmaz8
08:44 #navit: < bafplus> This is a log when just opening an closing Navit.
08:45 #navit: < bafplus> Thare is some metric-value errors and some unknown poi_types
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08:56 #navit: < bafplus> The poi_types error is solved...
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09:51 #navit: < bafplus> But there are still some metric errors
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12:44 #navit: < bafplus> Anyone here? Its very quit... ;-)
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13:20 #navit: < bafplus> if i want to make an osd-button that opens a external programm (the gps.exe in my case), how to link the button to open the programm when clicked on the button?
13:32 #navit: < bafplus> Goal is to have a button in the OSD that opens/executes the c:/navit/gps.exe when pressed on the button
13:46 #navit: < tauso> never tried it myself, but from the wiki:
13:47 #navit: < tauso> spawn("command" arguments...)
13:47 #navit: < tauso> Spawns an external command. Since r4459.
14:06 #navit: < bafplus> Thanks, that works great!
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14:48 #navit: < tauso> bafplus, the "distance metric" attribute is in the roadprofile (subsection of vehicleprofile), e.g.
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14:48 #navit: < tauso>
14:48 #navit: < tauso> maybe some typo in one of this section, not closed tag or something?
14:50 #navit: < tauso> I would search for "distance_metric=75" as it is the first error in the log
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15:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
15:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: gps.exe? :)
15:24 #navit: < bafplus> KaZeR , since you probably installed the latest version yesterday and the error is since first install, could you take a look of you see the same errors in you're log?
15:25 #navit: < bafplus> gps.exe is the local programm that gives gps status from internal gps unit....
15:27 #navit: < bafplus> I think it has somethimng to do with the roadprofile item_types but i cant figure out whats the problem.
15:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. i was just curious because of the name :)
15:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have to do smth right now but will resume the OSD tests after
15:28 #navit: < bafplus> When the project is finished i will gladly supply some screenshots ;-)
15:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> i hope so :)
15:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: on what hardware are you running navit currently? i'm a bit surprised that you need an external exe to access the gps
15:30 #navit: < bafplus> For the record: I work as a telecom engineer. All our engineers use panasonic toughbooks with internal GPS. I'm making navit so it will serve our engeneers a "simple" navigation tool to navigate tou our costumers. Also we use it to locate the streetcabinets (around 1,5 miljon poi's).
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15:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh nice
15:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> so you are you also interested in things like the traveling salesman algorithm ?
15:35 #navit: < bafplus> Its not that i NEED to, but it gives a direct statusscreen of the GPS unit. : http://nl.tinypic.com/r/2556z2c/8
15:36 #navit: < bafplus> Not at this point because our "route" is dynamic. But when finished i'm planning to let it "connect" to our planningsoftware, so maybe in a later stadium
15:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool
15:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> so gps.exe is only to get a visual of the gps fix?
15:37 #navit: < bafplus> It would be very nice to have a button in our planningsoftware that alows to navigate to the costumer with one click of the button (it then opens Navit and populates it with the adress of the costumer and starts navigating)
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15:38 #navit: < bafplus> Yes it gives the current status, but also gives the correct comport (for support purposes)
15:40 #navit: < bafplus> just for fun...this is the machine we use: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/fully-rugged-laptop-toughbook-19.asp
15:42 #navit: < bafplus> btw...i found a little bug, i dont know if already known. When opening navit from fresh install, it opens in 800-600 resolution. Everything looks fine at first sight, but when going fullscreen the lower and right OSD is offscreen, just barely visable, just a few px. When returning to small screen it doesent recale and al OSD on right and bottom or simple gone.
15:43 #navit: < bafplus> i bypassed this do redesign the OSD layout to only populate the top and leftside of the screen.
15:44 #navit: < bafplus> setting the screensize in navit.xml doesent help.
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15:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> for the navigation part : you have a permanent network connection between your planning software and your devices ?
15:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> nice device, i'd love to add that to the wiki with some details
15:50 #navit: < bafplus> the software runs local, it's a silverlight app that is capable of generating string and output them to what we want (navit in this case)
15:51 #navit: < bafplus> It does have a life feed but everything is localy stored.
15:52 #navit: < bafplus> our company wrote this software themselves so making any adjustments needed for correct outputs etc would be no problem.
15:53 #navit: < bafplus> But thats looking to far in the future for now.
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15:55 #navit: < bafplus> At this point the engineer just needs to put the adress in themselves. To make this more efficient and making use of the touchscreen i've made some direct inputbuttons in the OSD nat directly navigates to the adress screen, bookmark screen and historyscreen
15:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually when running linux you can do this in an automated / remote way using dbus
16:01 #navit: < bafplus> windows 7 ....
16:01 #navit: < bafplus> another os is no option
16:02 #navit: < bafplus> Baut like i said...its just an idea at this point and for later development when navit has poven to be usefull ;-)
16:03 #navit: < bafplus> one of the downsides of the toughbook is the small keyboard so pardon me of any missspelling because of double pressed keys ;-)
16:09 #navit: < bafplus> But going back to the main problem. (if it realy is a problem, it seems to work correctly), whats with the distance_metric errors?
16:09 #navit: < bafplus> is it an error in the XML or in the source itselfe?
16:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> i was not suggesting a switch from windows to linux, but rather suggesting that there should be something equivalent. one easy way to do this would be to have the destination.txt file sync'ed : navit will automatically resume a route to that destination if the file exists
16:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> the distance_metric message seems to come from the routing announcement rules
16:14 #navit: < bafplus> our software doesent hold gps coordinates
16:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> only addresses ?
16:14 #navit: < bafplus> I figured the same, but the xml seems ok, so i guess something in the source?
16:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's odd. what exact version of navit are you running ?
16:15 #navit: < bafplus> Some screenshots of the gui at this point: Navi without nav minimized: http://nl.tinypic.com/r/30ueg6t/8
16:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> Gebruikte configuratie bestand : that looks like dutch, am i correct? :)
16:16 #navit: < bafplus> Navit minimized active nav: http://nl.tinypic.com/r/122e0js/8
16:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> not bad! i guess a few of the icons are used to launch external apps ?
16:16 #navit: < bafplus> Just one: the gps button bottomleft opens the external gps exe
16:17 #navit: < bafplus> Navit in fullscreen active nav: http://nl.tinypic.com/r/n9kl4/8
16:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok then i'm curious about the other ones :)
16:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> btw : you might want to try an alternative map layout. in some use cases, it's easier to read, and sometimes prettier too :) https://github.com/pgrandin/navit-nuc-layout/blob/master/screenshot.png
16:18 #navit: < bafplus> All teh other buttons open up screens directly from the mainmenu, instead of first clicking on the screen, open action menu and choose an navoption i've made direct "shortcuts" on the screen
16:18 #navit: < bafplus> So all the basic options are available directly on screen with one click.
16:19 #navit: < bafplus> thats one af the advantages of havving a bigger screen than a PDA or navsystem
16:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok cool. btw, you can easily alter the layout of the menu itself by editing the navit.xml
16:20 #navit: < bafplus> i know, i alrady did ;-)
16:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha cool
16:20 #navit: < bafplus> This alternative map layout is not working with the "bug" i told you about a few lines back
16:21 #navit: < bafplus> And yes, "Gebruikte configutaie bestand" is Dutch (i think directly from pulled from the language file...
16:22 #navit: < bafplus> first thing is to fully roadtest navit and than make everything more fancier ;-)
16:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> which bug? the distance_metric thing?
16:23 #navit: < bafplus> From tomorrow i will use navit my complete workingday to fully test it and filter out any bugs.
16:25 #navit: < bafplus> No the bug that wghen resized the right and bottom are out of range
16:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha
16:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's the native resolution of your screen ?
16:30 #navit: < bafplus> 1024x768
16:31 #navit: < bafplus> But thats alrady bypassed for now, i'm more consurned about the metric problem since that can envolve the actual rooting etc.
16:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think it only affects the announcements. what is your exact navit version?
16:33 #navit: < bafplus> The latest svn 3 days ago...
16:33 #navit: < bafplus> I will be afk...
16:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> kk. i'll check with Mineque, who is also using the windows build if he can reproduce your issues
16:39 #navit: < tauso> i have the same "distance_metric" "errors" in the log here on ubuntu
16:42 #navit: < tauso> svn5827
16:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm
16:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> btw tauso about your include issue : can you share your included xml ? (i want to make sure that you have a root tag)
16:55 #navit: < tauso> what do you mean with root tag? do i need another or something. here: http://pastebin.com/RUT5AD2s
16:55 #navit: < tauso> beware, there are a lot of comments and old stuff :-D
16:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> now that's a fairly detailed OSD. i'd love to see a screenshot
16:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, we discussed the xi:include tags a few days ago, with tryagain iirc. it works just as you are writing it for me, but it seems that depending on your xml parser you might need to specify a root tag to include (i'm trying to find an example)
16:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration bottom of the page. you might want to try with the xipointer code
17:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> btw: any reason for redefining the gps status code? or you just wanted more differents steps / icons ?
17:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> (just curious)
17:07 #navit: < tauso> there is some debugging stuff like route-status, but sure: http://imgur.com/QetuQKb (no route)
17:07 #navit: < tauso> http://imgur.com/v0i5f3h (routing)
17:08 #navit: < tauso> the gps status hasnt work on my android device
17:09 #navit: < tauso> but as you see, i have to redesign the whole OSD, because its only readable if you hold the device in your hand, bur in the car its to tiny
17:14 #navit: < tauso> hm, i thought xipointer is used to include stuff from inside the same file
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain said a couple of days ago that you should also use it when including another file ( which conflicts with the wiki) so i thinks it's probably related to the parser. i don't need it in my own use case
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> i like your OSD. it's slick
17:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> is your code shared somewhere?
17:17 #navit: < tauso> not this version, but i can clean it a little bit and add it to the wiki.
17:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool
17:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> at some point we will have to figure out something better than the wiki for sharing, but it's already a start :)
17:18 #navit: < tauso> I used an layout from the wiki as inspiration, but i can't find this one anymore there
17:20 #navit: < tauso> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php?title=OSD_Layouts&oldid=5283#An_other_android_layout_800x480
17:21 #navit: < tauso> looks almost as mine, but i have to redesign it as my screensize is 854x480
17:23 #navit: < tauso> don't know why it was deleted from wiki
17:29 #navit: < tauso> big thanks, xi:_include looks like its working
17:29 #navit: < tauso>
17:29 #navit: < tauso> added a config tag to the extra file
17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool. we'll have to amend the wiki then
17:32 #navit: < bafplus> Back again...glad to see that i'm not the only one with the distance_metric error ;-)
17:32 #navit: < bafplus> tauso , nice gui!
17:33 #navit: < tauso> thanks.
17:34 #navit: < tauso> KaZeR, I added at the beginning and at the end. don't know maybe alone will work too
17:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok thanks tauso
17:46 #navit: < tauso> have to go now, thanks for the help
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17:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> bye tauso
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17:51 #navit: < nate`> Hmmm, might have found land. Funny how my stupid computer projects tend to get put on the back burner for more down to earth projects.
17:53 #navit: < bafplus> @KaZeR , i'm making sctreenshots with a fresh instaal+latest build for the resolution screen problem.
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17:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
17:53 #navit: < bafplus> shall u "dump" al the shots here ore do you prefer mail or something...
17:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> an online picture sharing tool works for me, or if you want to document your project in the wiki that would be a good option too. if there's really an issue with navit we can also create a trac ticket
17:57 #navit: < nate`> I still can't get my damn touch screen working with linux/navit so I still have yet to do anything with it other than type in a few lat/longs.
17:57 #navit: < nate`> Stupid micro SD card I ordered still hasn't come in so I can flash ubuntu or debian onto my beagle
18:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> nate`: what's the issue with your touchscreen?
18:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: do you have a github account? or something like that ?
18:07 #navit: < bafplus> Yes i have a github acount...
18:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool. i've started working on an OSD screenshot tool. the idea is that if your OSD is public (like, on github) the script can build a screenshot using the latest navit version. it helps troubleshooting some issues, and it also set the basis for a better organized OSD / layour sharing framework
18:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> would you like to be one of the beta testers?
18:14 #navit: < bafplus> sure why not ;-)
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Next screenshots are taken with fresh install, latest build (4-8-2014) Only forgot to activate the OSD in first screenshot...
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Only opend Navit, no gpx fix, minimized screen (OSD is missing, forgot to activate them):
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> http://nl.tinypic.com/r/fd8qi9/8
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Same as above but with gpx-fix and osd active:
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> http://nl.tinypic.com/r/2ytw514/8
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Route calculated (look at bottom-left, OSD is off screen):
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> http://nl.tinypic.com/r/34790kj/8
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Maximized, OSD is fully out of screen
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> http://nl.tinypic.com/r/js1qnp/8
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> Minimized, OSD is even more missing then 3rd screenshot:
18:15 #navit: < bafplus> http://nl.tinypic.com/r/2lnn6t/8
18:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool. i can build all these screenshots automatically i think ( and test if i can reproduce some of your issues )
18:26 #navit: < bafplus> But here you see the reason why my OSD is only Top and Left ;-)
18:34 #navit: < bafplus> AFK....next project is a programm that automaticly does the dishes for me ;-)
18:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> wait.. isn't that called a dishwasher? :)
18:40 #navit: < nate`> KaZeR: not certain. Haven't spent much time trouble shooting it.
18:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> k. i'm no expert but let me know if i can help
18:41 #navit: < nate`> Work's taking up a lot of my computing time so after the work day is over I'm tired of that.
18:41 #navit: < nate`> Figure I'll get into it this weekend on Sunday. Gotta go look at land Saturday
18:41 #navit: < nate`> If I like it I'm dropping 20k, which is the most money I've ever spent at once.
18:42 #navit: < nate`> Plus I gotta build a shooting range a web site this week sometime so I get free access to their land to hunt year round.
18:42 #navit: < nate`> Also hopefully the damn door panel I bought for my 4runner comes in this week so I can fix that bastard and have it on the road again. Might as well recharge the AC on it.
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19:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: i have the distance_metric message too using a fresh build. that's definitely new
19:22 #navit: < bafplus> Good luck smaching the bug, thats way out of my scope...
19:44 #navit: < bafplus> Also take a look at all the undifinend poi_types ( all religions somehow...)....
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20:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually i have a patch ready for that. should have committed it already
20:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's an easy one
20:52 #navit: < bafplus> Let me know when the new latest realease is available....
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21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> Navit: jump
21:36 #navit: < Navit> How high?
21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> Navit: build
21:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> Navit: compile
21:40 #navit: < Navit> Starting compiler
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