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01:09 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/wince_arm/svn/navit-svn-5830.failed
01:09 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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14:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
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16:01 #navit: < tryagain> hi
16:03 #navit: < tryagain> regarding translations: in russian, you should change noun form,  dependent of preceeding number
16:03 #navit: < tryagain> 1 kilometer - 1 kilometr
16:03 #navit: < tryagain> 2 kilometers - 2 kilometra
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16:04 #navit: < tryagain> 5 kilometers - 5 kilometrov
16:04 #navit: < tryagain> 50 kilometers - 50 kilometrov
16:04 #navit: < tryagain> 52 kilometers - 52 kilometra
16:06 #navit: < tryagain> so it's not possible to simply concatenate translations of first part of phrase + middle (numeric) part + ending to get whole translated message
16:07 #navit: < tryagain> one have to analyse numeric part to choose translated ending part. That's done in gettext
16:22 #navit: < Mineque> same here in polish
16:22 #navit: < Mineque> simple word "two" could have 16 different forms
16:23 #navit: < Mineque> afk
16:27 #navit: < tryagain> also some languages may mix phrase parts order, so that while in English you say part1 part2 part3 but in some other language it should be said part2 part1 part3
16:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i remember that it's quite painful. actually we even have a broken translation in launchpad let me double check
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17:38 #navit: < nate`> What's painful for me is remembering too many damn technologies :P
17:40 #navit: < woglinde> kazer hm I will start fx
17:40 #navit: < woglinde> args fixing some bugs from coverity
17:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> woglinde: awesome! i will have to finish automating it again
17:43 #navit: < nate`> Heh, have been wondering all week why the SD card I ordered for the beagle hasn't shown up.  I failed to actually click purchase on amazon.
17:43 #navit:  * nate` is stupid dumb
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18:48 #navit: < bafplus> Hy, today i had the second roadtest....hardly any "bugs"!! I have left the thaught about using garmin/tomtom voices
18:48 #navit: < bafplus> Instead i can make real clear wav TTS files that sound realy good!
18:49 #navit: < bafplus> I will share the dutch version when finished and tested an maybe even trow in a english version (i don't speak any other language but i can make other language on request but need help with debugging and supplying the correct translation/sentances)
18:50 #navit: < bafplus> one question (but possibly more ;-) ), was searching destination with zipcode already working possible?
18:51 #navit: < bafplus> I realy "miss" this function in comparison to my garmin...
19:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey bafplus
19:06 #navit: < bafplus> Hu KaZeR
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> about the search : sleske answered the ticket : http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1225 and i think that he actually has a point ( but the ticket is open for discussion )
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> how did you submit your translation update? i did not find it in launchpad
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> have to go afk for lunch
19:09 #navit: < bafplus> ok, I think that different for every country, here in the netherlands the zipcodes (4 numbers+2 letters) represent 1 streat, so here it could work
19:11 #navit: < bafplus> I changed the translation directly on launchpas and subbmitted it for review, but for you're info: string nr.46 het the "meter" suffix (last word) but that is already being added by the "distance" string
19:11 #navit: < bafplus> Just remove the last "meter" and it is ok ;-)
19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> odd, launchpad shows the last update as "2014-03-01"
19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll have a look after some food :)
19:19 #navit: < bafplus> If not there, change it yourself
19:19 #navit: < bafplus> ;-)
19:28 #navit: < jandegr> Hi bafplus, I also heard that funny 'neem de rotonde over meter meter' a lot, nice that you're looking into it.
19:28 #navit: < jandegr> but con't see you change on launchpad eitern.
19:28 #navit: < jandegr> edit :but can't see your change on launchpad either
19:34 #navit: < tauso> hi.
19:35 #navit: < tauso> KaZeR, about my xi:include problem - xpointer isn't nexessary
19:36 #navit: < tauso> the extra navitosd.xml just have to begin with <xml> end end with </xml>, like it's said in the wiki: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> 46.
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> English:	Copy text	
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> Enter the roundabout %s
19:39 #navit: < bafplus>  TRANSLATORS: %s is the distance to the roundabout
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> Current Dutch:		neem de rotonde over %s meter
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> should be:
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> 46.
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> English:	Copy text	
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> Enter the roundabout %s
19:39 #navit: < bafplus>  TRANSLATORS: %s is the distance to the roundabout
19:39 #navit: < bafplus> But it should be there now, forgot to save it....
19:42 #navit: < jandegr> now I see the change in 46 ok.
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20:10 #navit: < Mineque> re
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20:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> tauso: ha good to know, thanks for reporting
20:37 #navit: < tauso> KazeR: just put m,y layout into http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/OSD_Layouts
20:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: perfect. i'll commit the change today
20:38 #navit: < Mineque> tauso, which one?
20:38 #navit: < tauso> page needs some time to load, maybe it's time to split it up
20:38 #navit: < tauso> the last one :-D
20:38 #navit: < Mineque> 854x480?
20:38 #navit: < tauso> yes
20:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> and it's also probably time to come with a better solution to manage the layouts than a wiki page :)
20:39 #navit: < Mineque> nice
20:39 #navit: < Mineque> KaZeR, mean what?
20:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> Mineque: meaning that the wiki page is a mess and almost none of the layouts there will work out of the box because of fixed paths, missing gfx, we have to enhance that
20:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> tauso: do you have a github account ?
20:40 #navit: < tauso> no
20:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
20:42 #navit: < tauso> but I can create one, if i find time to. we use git in our company, but I'm no developer. but I understand the basics :-D
20:45 #navit: < tauso> can you recommend a git tool for linux or do you just use the command line client
20:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> that could be useful for now. i'm working on a tool to test and manages osds and layouts
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20:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> the command line tool is really easy. you just need add / push in the end of the day
20:46 #navit: < Mineque> tauso, or some IDE plugin depends what you use
20:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> meh. you always end up committing shit that you did not intend to with these :)
20:47 #navit: < tauso> as i'm not a developer - none ;-)
20:48 #navit: < tauso> mostly vim to edit the xml :P
20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> way to go :D
20:48 #navit: < tauso> maybe there is a vi - git plugin :-D
20:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> (actually http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2975 could be considering an IDE plugin ;) )
20:50 #navit: < Mineque> KaZeR, i told you i've pushed than unusefull icon because i was too lazy to check them all before :P
20:50 #navit: < Mineque> it's not IDE faul
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20:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> Mineque: you could have blamed your IDE :)
20:51 #navit: < Mineque> i could but i like my IDE ;P
20:51 #navit: < Mineque> i have no problem with ram ;)
20:54 #navit: < tauso> wow impressive, seams there is almost everything for vim. i'll look for an github account next week, should be no problem. and the testtool for OSD and layouts sounds quite nice
20:55 #navit: < Mineque>  KaZeR did you managed to get pull request automaticaly?
20:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> Mineque: haven't touched the script in a couple of days
20:56 #navit: < Mineque> ok
20:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> but with hub it should be easy
20:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> another idea would be to build something like jsfiddle
20:59 #navit: < woglinde> kazer do you have a sample csv file?
21:00 #navit: < woglinde> wiki search is slow
21:00 #navit: < woglinde> hm wiki is slow on any page
21:00 #navit: < Mineque> yep
21:00 #navit: < Mineque> hub?
21:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> woglinde: csv ?
21:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> Mineque: https://github.com/github/hub
21:02 #navit: < woglinde> kazer yes csv map
21:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> woglinde: what for? i'm lost :)
21:03 #navit: < woglinde> testing my fixes
21:04 #navit: < woglinde> but found it now in the wiki
21:04 #navit: < woglinde> dont worry
21:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh sorry
21:06 #navit: < woglinde> faster wiki faster
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21:13 #navit: < Mineque> run wiki run!
21:13 #navit: < Mineque> :D
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21:19 #navit: < Mineque> btw
21:20 #navit: < Mineque> OSD is reloaded on every map mouse movement
21:20 #navit: < Mineque> couldnt we use that feature to reload osd config?
21:23 #navit: < woglinde> hm hm I cannt find the csv point
21:23 #navit: < woglinde> will trya harder
21:30 #navit: < bafplus> I just send a copy of my navit to my company for review...can't wait to hear there reactions!
21:31 #navit: < Mineque> promotion or
21:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> Mineque: OSD is redrawn, not reloaded
21:31 #navit: < Mineque> "you're fired"
21:31 #navit: < Mineque> ;p
21:31 #navit: < woglinde> I hope it will be sucessfull
21:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: cool. let us know if we can help
21:31 #navit: < Mineque> bafplus, did you succeed with wav's?
21:32 #navit: < bafplus> I tild a few programmers what navit is and they were realy enthuasiastic!
21:32 #navit: < woglinde> bafplus hm I hope the understand gpl
21:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> agreed with woglinde
21:33 #navit: < bafplus> Mineque... i found some good tts voices so i'm going to "resample" the wav's just using the code as it is now
21:33 #navit: < bafplus> Maybe in a later stage i will pick up the idea of using garmin/tomtom voices...
21:34 #navit: < bafplus> for anyone who is intrested in the voices: http://www.oddcast.com/home/demos/tts/tts_example.php
21:34 #navit: < Mineque> gn guys
21:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> ++ Mineque
21:35 #navit: < bafplus> its a bit of a work but my idea is to "play" each word/sentance and directly record it on the pc in wav
21:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> meh. flash.
21:36 #navit: < bafplus> flash or flut, they sound realy natural
21:37 #navit: < bafplus> takes a few hours to do the recording and editing but then you have "garmin/tomtom" quality wav's
21:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: what do you think of this sample ? http://www.kazer.org/test.mp3
21:39 #navit: < woglinde> bafplus the problem is license
21:39 #navit: < woglinde> oddcast wants money
21:39 #navit: < bafplus> if you use there api, yes ;-)
21:39 #navit: < bafplus> the tts voice itself is comon license
21:40 #navit: < bafplus> so no problem if i record them...
21:40 #navit: < woglinde> this is written where?
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21:42 #navit: < bafplus> don't know, but the voices are "standard" and used in all kind off tts software. Its the use of the api where they charge money for not the "right" to use that "sound" of voice
21:42 #navit: < woglinde> sorry
21:42 #navit: < woglinde> if you can not find that the voice is common license we can not include it
21:48 #navit: < bafplus> I will look in to that
21:53 #navit: < bafplus> Yesterday i read someone about traffic redirection...
21:54 #navit: < bafplus> what is the progress at this point? is it possible? if yes, with what source can/will it work?
21:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> navit supports traffic distortion, but currently it's not available as a live, realtime feature. we can't push the information because we don't have access to some kind of database with the issues
21:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> but you can add a distortion from the GTK ui for example, it will affect routing
22:00 #navit: < bafplus> Only if GTK would actualy work in windows ;-)
22:01 #navit: < bafplus> I bet there are soem csv kind of database online tat can be read live or downloaded ...
22:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: adding it in internal gui is definitely possible
22:05 #navit: < bafplus> That would be great...if we have a database with live data ;-)
22:05 #navit: < bafplus> rss? csv? sql?
22:05 #navit: < bafplus> etc...
22:06 #navit: < woglinde> gn
22:11 #navit: < bafplus> Or just google: http://google-latlong.blogspot.nl/2011/07/live-traffic-information-for-13.html
22:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> bye woglinde
22:14 #navit: < bafplus> Don't know if we can use that mapdata but it covers 13 countries
22:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> bafplus: yeah that would be really hard to grab ( and probably against the TOS )
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22:14 #navit: < bafplus> i figured such
22:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> what do you mean?
22:19 #navit: < bafplus> That that would probably go againt TOS
22:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha ok. plus trying to fetch the datas without fetching the route nodes computed by google is probably impossible
22:33 #navit: < nate`> ]
22:53 #navit: < bafplus> question from our dev dep: If navit is active, and , say our planningsoftware, writes new coordinates in the "destination" textfile, would navit instantly navigate to thoso coordinates?
22:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> not now. but 1) we could add some kind of watchdog to monitor the change and
22:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> 2) better, there is many way to do IPC with navit
22:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> there are, actually
23:00 #navit: < bafplus> Our software can write the coordinates of the costumer to file, that way navit can pick it up and use it as "set destination" at real-time
23:00 #navit: < bafplus> Would that be hard to implement?
23:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> that would work, but i do believe that using an IPC would be better
23:01 #navit: < bafplus> sorry, but ipc?
23:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> interprocess communication. something like dbus for example
23:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have to go you can discuss that tomorrow if you want
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23:03 #navit: < bafplus> i will first wait until they have reviewd the current version i send them, i guess there will be some questions from them ;-)
23:03 #navit: < bafplus> Good night! i'm off to...
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