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18:18 #navit: < tryagain> jandegr thank you for work on highfive
18:22 #navit: < jandegr> my pleasure
18:23 #navit: < tryagain> btw i have a sample where it anounces zeroeth exit
18:25 #navit: < tryagain> source is a point at http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/111805175
18:25 #navit: < tryagain> destination is at http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/193955651
18:26 #navit: < tryagain> i don't yet know why, but i get a really funny announce to take zeroth exit at the roundabout
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18:35 #navit: < jandegr> tryagain is that with a duplicate map ?
18:38 #navit: < tryagain> jandegr no, only one map is enabled
18:46 #navit: < jandegr> tryagain I will have a look on thursday of friday at the zeroth exit issue, hopefully we get some more user feedback soon
18:46 #navit: < tryagain> thank you
18:46 #navit: < jandegr> would be handy to do a small review of the whole thing based on some user feedback
18:47 #navit: < jandegr> but up to now you seem to be the only user ?
18:47 #navit: < tryagain> probably i'm the most annoying one ;)
18:48 #navit: < tryagain> i have found another issue
18:48 #navit: < jandegr> shoot
18:48 #navit: < tryagain> minor street crossings are not announced
18:48 #navit: < tryagain> esp, street_service and living_street ones
18:48 #navit: < tryagain> for example
18:49 #navit: < tryagain> route from a point at http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/33350972
18:50 #navit: < tryagain> to a point at http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/156353049
18:51 #navit: < tryagain> there are only announcements how long to drive to the turn
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18:51 #navit: < tryagain> not a word about where to turn
18:52 #navit: < tryagain> that whole region of living streets has same behaviour
18:52 #navit: < jandegr> I came across one such issue in real driving myself
18:53 #navit: < tryagain> i also noticed same behavour on service roads
18:53 #navit: < jandegr> what about if we open a few tickets for users to report issues/samples, but one ticket for announcements, one for roundabouts, one for speech
18:54 #navit: < jandegr> not on a seperate ticket for each individial case base
18:54 #navit: < tryagain> sure... but i have already opened a few :)
18:55 #navit: < jandegr> 1302 is a personal preference issue, maybe shared by more users, not really a code-defect issue
18:56 #navit: < jandegr> 1301 is special in the way that the linguistics system does not work at all, just one symptom of it is signalled in 1301
18:57 #navit: < jandegr> it only works if a german speaker drives in germany, or russian in russia,
18:58 #navit: < jandegr> but I will comment on 1301 in a few days when I have some more time
18:58 #navit: < tryagain> when you hit 1302, you just can't follow the instruction without violating the rules...
18:59 #navit: < jandegr> don't understand that about 1302
19:01 #navit: < jandegr> but I would not mind if it would be changed into the way I think you want it.
19:03 #navit: < jandegr> only sideffect is that the route description will change just the same, since it  uses the level you want to change
19:03 #navit: < jandegr> that is iirc !
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> http://ibin.co/22IKhJudAg8R
19:06 #navit: < tryagain> I'm red, and get an instruction to take first exit
19:07 #navit: < tryagain> i can't do it safely. If i knew the maneuver, i would better took blue position
19:09 #navit: < tryagain> from other point of view, we announce turn direction before the crossing. Why don't we do the same for roundabouts
19:13 #navit: < tryagain> as for 1301, why |left and |right is treated as a linguistic-specific part? If we plan to announce left and right u-turns differently, just do it for English. If we do not plan to announce direction, we can strip that |right part completely away.
19:17 #navit: < tryagain> i  really love "keep" announces which seem to perfectly describe the foregoing maneuver, together with new icons.
19:17 #navit: < jandegr> I was just looking into 1302, so you want to change the level 1 announcement from 'enter the roundabout in 300m' into 'enter the roundabout in 300m and leave at the first exit'
19:17 #navit: < jandegr> ?
19:18 #navit: < tryagain> something like that
19:18 #navit: < jandegr> I agree to it and it would not be a lot of work either :)
19:18 #navit: < tryagain> maybe enter the roundabout in 300m' into 'enter the roundabout in 300m TO  leave at the first exit
19:19 #navit: < tryagain> s/enter the roundabout in 300m' into//
19:20 #navit: < jandegr> but we could use a native english speaking to help us define the correct english phrases, then in translations we can each do as we think is best
19:21 #navit: < jandegr> can kazer not ask one of his neighbours for the correct english ?
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi guys
19:21 #navit: < tryagain> yep, and starting with correct phrase is very important, otherwise we would have to patch translations
19:21 #navit: < tryagain> hi KaZeR
19:22 #navit: < tryagain> have you already become native English speaker?
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh i'm still far away from that, not sure i'll make it someday :)
19:23 #navit: < tryagain> at least you seem to hear them everyday, so you have much more chances to notice an ugly phrase than me
19:24 #navit: < jandegr> we rely on you kazer :)
19:24 #navit: < tryagain> we could also try to exploit Number6 if he has some spare time
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19:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> indeed. the issue is that i don't drive much :)
19:27 #navit: < tryagain> jandegr where do you prefer me to put living_street issue? Separate ticket or attach to existing one?
19:34 #navit: < jandegr> you can open a new ticket for all kinds of (non roundbout) announcements but select highfive as component, in the beginning it must be made clear that it concerns the new code
19:34 #navit: < tryagain> ok
19:36 #navit: < jandegr> I made a comment on 1302, the rest is for some time later this week :)
19:47 #navit: < tryagain> thank you. In turn, i have added 1304.
19:54 #navit: < jandegr> tryagain in case you have a little time to test you can try a temprary solution for 1301
19:54 #navit: < jandegr> temporary is untill we have a native english speaker :)
19:56 #navit: < jandegr> commenting-out line 154 and 155 should work
19:59 #navit: < tryagain> statistics show we have no beta version (6061) installs on google play. Looks like we forgot to drop a link to activate beta testing.
20:00 #navit: < jandegr> but now I am not sure anymore, these changes were made when I was not very active in H5 anymore :(
20:02 #navit: < jandegr> ah, ok, gender defaults to 'unknown' in line 30036
20:02 #navit: < jandegr> line 3003
20:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey guys. Did one of you sent the email about playstore beta ?
20:06 #navit: < tryagain> its me its me
20:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. cause we have 0 beta installs right now because we have the same version in prod and beta :)
20:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> but we had beta installs in the past, iirc
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20:14 #navit: < tryagain> no, beta is 6061, production is 6035
20:16 #navit: < tryagain> but we indeed had a few beta installs, according to the "total installs by user" -> "app version"
20:19 #navit: < tryagain> afk
20:22 #navit: < jandegr> bye folks
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