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09:04 #navit: < robertp> hi
09:04 #navit: < robertp> my gpsd said with gpsd -n -N -D 2 /dev/ttyUSB0
09:04 #navit: < robertp> gpsd:WARN: can't use GGA time until after ZDA or RMC has supplied a year.
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09:14 #navit: < robertp> gps problem solved... i just had to start gpsd with the right device... damn windows user :D
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10:27 #navit: < rcorello> robertp: hehe :)
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11:37 #navit: < gernot_> hi
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11:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
11:55 #navit: < gernot_> hi i made some tests.
11:56 #navit: < gernot_> first navit work, but...
11:57 #navit: < gernot_> the build come without spech generator (old flite) but work with my espeakdsp wrapper with espeak (international)
11:59 #navit: < gernot_> GPS dont work out of the box because gltt (closed source) is missed. Here i try the kernel internal driver.
11:59 #navit: < gernot_> Then the nls/gettext problem
11:59 #navit: < gernot_> and the big big problem is the RAM sice of the device.
12:00 #navit: < gernot_> starting navit from the tomtom navigator fail for this problem
12:00 #navit: < gernot_> street search in munich crash ...
12:01 #navit: < gernot_> So i can say that only 64M devices work well.
12:02 #navit: < gernot_> In my case i use swap on SDCARD to get around this.
12:02 #navit: < gernot_> But this need a complete recreating of ttsystem
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12:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
12:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, still have somw work to do there :)
12:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> i guess that gltt is the biggest blocker now
12:22 #navit: < gernot_> yes. it is
12:23 #navit: < gernot_> opentom.free.fr has a extraction tool in the toolchain
12:23 #navit: < gernot_> You can it easy extract from ttsystem,
12:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm. http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/TomTom_development says that we should be able to use gpsd. is it a limitation of your device specifically ?
12:24 #navit: < gernot_> no, tried it not. go the opentom way...
12:25 #navit: < gernot_> but i don't recommend navit for 32M devices like OneXL
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12:35 #navit: < gernot_> please enable  demo vehicle and gpsd for tests with  speech and gpsd
12:44 #navit: < gernot_> i try gpsd on my system. its better to debug
12:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, if we enable gpsd, can we avoid the need for gltt ?
12:46 #navit: < gernot_> the information over gltt are 8 Years old. Try to compile it in the toolchain
12:47 #navit: < gernot_> we have to build and test gpsd first....
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12:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> you have a shell access on your tomtom?
13:00 #navit: < gernot_> no, only opentom
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13:01 #navit: < gernot_> But your built navit work on opentom. So i can test gpsd with it.
13:03 #navit: < gernot_> I try to compile gpsd, but it use scons... dont know this
13:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm asking because if we can get a direct access to the nmea stream, we can avoid the need of gpsd
13:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://www.relevantmusic.de/blog/2009/01/script-use-tomtom-as-gps-receiver-for-your-linux-system/
13:09 #navit: < gernot_> "dumpCommand='cat /var/run/gpspipe' #for TomTom One XL"
13:10 #navit: < gernot_> This is the pipe which gltt write
13:11 #navit: < gernot_> look like other Devices use the kernel driver
13:11 #navit: < gernot_> like in the navit configuration.
13:12 #navit: < gernot_> #dumpCommand='cat /dev/gpsdata' # for other/older TomToms
13:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm reading about gltt
13:22 #navit: < gernot_> At Wikipedia i read that only few 32M deviced use global hammerhead
13:22 #navit: < gernot_> so i see this problem as prio 2
13:23 #navit: < gernot_> deviced=devices
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13:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok your prio #1 ? :)
13:28 #navit: < gernot_> speach
13:28 #navit: < gernot_> test on a 64M tomtom
13:29 #navit: < gernot_> NLS
13:30 #navit: < gernot_> suspend with the exit button
13:30 #navit: < gernot_> Resume...
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13:45 #navit: < gernot_> as i read at dpsd/hardware gpsd dont support global hammerhrad
13:46 #navit: < gernot_> so no way to com around gltt on tomtom one
13:51 #navit: < robertp> what does this: 'Fix the speech tag in navit.xml to let navit say:' 'Wenn möglich, bitte wenden' mean?
13:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> it means that we need a small config tweak to let navit know what TTS is available
13:56 #navit: < robertp> ah. okay.
13:58 #navit: < gernot_> robertp:There is by default a echo command.in the config. Replace it e.g. with espeak then navit will speak the text
13:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: when you'll have internet access, check the script at https://hackaday.io/project/3070-the-cherokee-carputer for a MUCH nicer voice synthesis :)
13:59 #navit: < robertp> ok thank you
14:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> (i meant internet access in the car )
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14:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: out of curiosity, have you tried the builds from http://download.navit-project.org/navit/tomtom/svn/ ? ( to know what's missing there )
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14:17 #navit: < robertp> wow espeak sounds.... erm... strange
14:17 #navit: < gernot_> No i tried only a older. It blocked boot
14:17 #navit: < gernot_> there is a link in th wiki...
14:19 #navit: < gernot_> searching
14:20 #navit: < gernot_> i tried this one http://www.navit-project.org/~xenos1984/navitom.tar.gz
14:27 #navit: < gernot_> 6122 is broken. only null graphics
14:29 #navit: < gernot_> 5794 is also broken
14:30 #navit: < gernot_> also the current has only null graphics
14:36 #navit: < gernot_> look like the tomtom platform has only few few users
14:37 #navit: < gernot_> go to by a touchscreen for raspberry...
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14:38 #navit: < gernot_> there is no sdl in the toolchain
14:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: yeah the binaries might have been broken for some time. if we can find a way to emulate a tomtom device we could detect that automatically in the future
14:55 #navit: < gernot_> i dont know about a tomtom emulator
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15:54 #navit: < robertp> how can i get keypresses inside a plugin? navit works with rotary now and it speaks to me, too.
16:04 #navit: < gernot_> robertp: espeak?
16:05 #navit: < robertp> yes. it works.
16:05 #navit: < robertp> but for continuing my mp3player plugin, i need to get keypresses
16:06 #navit: < robertp> i cant find how its done in the code... and i dont know where to search for....
16:06 #navit: < gernot_> is there a other interactive plugin to view?
16:07 #navit: < robertp> i know the j1850 plugin and the pedestrian plugin
16:08 #navit: < robertp> they dont use keys so far, i think
16:09 #navit: < rcorello> robertp: hm. a quick look at the code of the internal gui reveals that they use graphics_add_callback() to register a callback for key press events
16:11 #navit: < rcorello> but i'm not sure if/how you can do that from your own plugin.
16:13 #navit: < rcorello> it seems to be something that you may only be able to do from inside a gui plugin
16:18 #navit: < tryagain> rcorello callbacks (in general) are not plugin-specific. You may register any callback in any plugin. The only thing you will depend upon is something which fires that callback up.
16:20 #navit: < robertp> can a plugin be gui and osd?
16:22 #navit: < tryagain> You can define new osd type in plugin. But are you going to write a completely different gui? Like gui_internal?
16:24 #navit: < robertp> i dont know
16:25 #navit: < robertp> i want a music player inside navit, which has a artist - album - time osd and can be controlled by keypresses or buttons
16:26 #navit: < robertp> but i thought i could do a internal gui page for it too.
16:27 #navit: < robertp> i'm in the beginning of learning navit
16:28 #navit: < tryagain> Osd looks like a good start... After that, you may export some script functions (commands) from your osd and call them from internal gui hml-like code.
16:28 #navit: < tryagain> I think KaZeR has some osd plugin to control music playback.
16:29 #navit: < robertp> but he uses serial to control them
16:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey tryagain
16:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: you need keypress to get update events from your rotaty encoders ?
16:31 #navit: < robertp> no. i need keypress to choose the next artist or album
16:31 #navit: < robertp> or track
16:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> but the keypress is actually an event from your rotary encoders, right ?
16:32 #navit: < robertp> no.
16:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh sorry
16:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> keypress or buttons
16:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> just saw it
16:32 #navit: < robertp> the buttons generate a keypress
16:33 #navit: < tryagain> hey KaZeR
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll explain why i ask. if the code to convert the button event into a key event is within your code ( e.g. navit embeds the driver to listen to the encoders ) then i would suggest an approach like this : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/master/navit/plugin/j1850/j1850.c#L207-209
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> if the driver is something like evdev, outside of navit, then it's different
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain: have you seen my email about svn / git ?
16:34 #navit: < tryagain> KaZeR nope
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha.
16:34 #navit: < tryagain> but i've seen xenos' message on the forum :)
16:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah :)
16:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's your sf username again ?
16:35 #navit: < tryagain> mdankov
16:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah right
16:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah you should have got this email. let me check what xenos posted
16:39 #navit: < robertp> i'd like to generate keypresses by a external driver, so someone can use the plugin more easyly and without a raspberrypi
16:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> it makes sense, but it also mean an external dependency. choice is yours anyway :)
16:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> at first i was also using a small python script to fake evdev events for my j1850 plugin
16:42 #navit: < robertp> mh, right. serial would be out of the box with std-c-functions.
16:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> what hardware is your encoder using ?
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16:48 #navit: < robertp> how detailed information do you want?
16:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> depends of how much you're willing to type :) there's two aspects to my question : figuring how i can help you, and learning more about how you did it
16:49 #navit: < robertp> all buttons and the rotary are connected to a microcontroller
16:50 #navit: < robertp> this uC also starts and shuts down the pi and does som more misc stuff
16:50 #navit: < robertp> it is connected to the pi via uart (sreial connection)
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. if we scrap some code from j1850 we can get your encoder to work really easily. for the usual keys it might be a bit trickier, i need to look into it (but as tryagain said it should be a matter of registering a listerner )
16:54 #navit: < robertp> it might be easy, because i define the serial communication and i built the device. currently i send one ascii-char for each button, divided by a '0'.
16:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool
16:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> then you just need to call something like command_evaluate(&navit, "gui.spotify_volume_up()" );
16:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> or whatever command you want
16:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> we can probably find how to send an arbitrary fake keypress too
16:56 #navit: < robertp> i want to call a function inside my plugin.
16:56 #navit: < robertp> thats easy.
16:56 #navit: < robertp> connect txd to rxd and send the key-command
16:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> i would advise to seperate your media player and your encoder into two seperate plugins, but it's just my opinioin
16:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> to register something that is callable from anywhere, it's quite easy : https://github.com/pgrandin/navit/blob/staging/navit/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal_command.c#L1238-1245
17:01 #navit: < robertp> ok. and you define USE_SPOTIFY inside your plugin?
17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> this is defined via cmake : https://github.com/pgrandin/navit/blob/staging/navit/CMakeLists.txt#L125
17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> and https://github.com/pgrandin/navit/blob/staging/navit/CMakeLists.txt#L422-434
17:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> adding your encoder driver as a plugin should be a one liner : https://github.com/pgrandin/navit/blob/staging/navit/CMakeLists.txt#L402 since the code does not require anything specific
17:08 #navit: < robertp> and the music player requires mpd and mpc, so i should use your way
17:08 #navit: < robertp> ha! thank you
17:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> np. i like the idea of driving mpc too. and it should be quite easy to finish your code and have it work as a plugin
17:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> let me know how i can help
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17:21 #navit: < gernot_> time to go.
17:21 #navit: < gernot_> by
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17:48 #navit: < robertp> bye all
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20:18 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
21:19 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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