--- Log opened Sat Aug 01 00:00:59 2015 01:13 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 01:13 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 02:07 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@127-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 06:14 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:14 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 07:35 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:34 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 08:35 -!- robertp [~androirc@46.114.111.125] has joined #navit 08:36 #navit: < robertp> Hi there. 09:09 -!- robertp [~androirc@46.114.111.125] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20 -!- robertp [~androirc@46.114.111.125] has joined #navit 09:21 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:40 -!- robertp [~androirc@46.114.111.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:26 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 13:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi 13:13 -!- juse [~juse@b738.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #navit 13:13 #navit: < juse> Helloo 13:15 #navit: < juse> I'm coming from Finland, I drive a Volvo S60 and I have installed Navit on Raspberry Pi 2 and it is connected to the screen of my car. Everything is 100% great but I'm asking if I could raise the screen refresh rate anyhow? It's now about 1 fps, could I make it smoother anyhow? 13:16 #navit: < juse> I tried to find solution from Google but did't find anything related :/ 13:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi juse, and welcome 13:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, it's not really the screen refresh rate that is 1fps, it's most probably that your gps sends updates only once per second 13:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> some gps devices are configurable for up to 10Hz. what receiver are you using? 13:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> also, i'd love to see pics of your setup :) are you running raspbian ? 13:49 #navit: < juse> I'm using erm 13:49 #navit: < juse> just a sec 13:50 #navit: < juse> Yes I'm running raspbian! 13:51 #navit: < juse> KaZeR, I'm using Globalsat BU-354 13:51 #navit: < juse> I will send a video / pictures of it later tonight when I get home ;) 13:53 #navit: < juse> So there's no possibility to predict the moving between the signals the GPS sends? 13:54 #navit: < juse> Because the car is also ~2 seconds "late" on the screen from y real position on road :) 13:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> on a raspberry pi 2 i'm a bit surprised to see such a log. let me check the specs of this device, i believe it's capable of more updates.. ( i considered purchasing it some time ago ) 13:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> not log, lag 13:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> is this the bu-353-s4 ? or really bu-354 ? 14:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok looks like the 353-s4 can't do more than 1hz http://usglobalsat.com/store/download/688/bu353s4_ds.pdf 14:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: concerning move prediction, we could test http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/901 14:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have to go afk for an hour or so but i'll be back. please share the pictures / videos :) i'm looking for new pictures for the wiki/website/sourcefore ! 14:15 -!- jandegr [5741708b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.112.139] has joined #navit 14:23 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26 #navit: < juse> oh nice, I'll try the extrapolation. Is it included in latest navit or do I have to apply this patch? 14:26 #navit: < juse> "Note that this function will only work if the particular section of highway has the tunnel=yes key/value " damn.... 14:27 #navit: < juse> however I'm home now, I'll shoot the video :) 14:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> great 14:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> the patch is not included now, but if it works nicely for your test i'll do it 14:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> let me know if you need help 14:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> back in a few 14:51 -!- gernot_ [54b56511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.181.101.17] has joined #navit 14:51 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 14:51 #navit: < gernot_> hi 14:53 #navit: < gernot_> Juse: tried you the lag= variable? I use lag="16" to be more sync netween road and navit 14:53 #navit: < juse> gernot_ thanks! I will try this 14:54 #navit: < juse> I did not try it yet, just figured it's a bit behind reality ;) 14:55 #navit: < gernot_> Here is the description http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration/Full_list_of_options#vehicle 14:55 #navit: < juse> KaZeR I'll upload the videos to my dropbox 14:56 #navit: < juse> gernot_ so you use it at 16? 14:56 #navit: < juse> I think 15-25 would be good for me 14:57 #navit: < gernot_> yes. but on a tomtom (much slower CPU 14:57 #navit: < juse> you use navit on tomom? :D 14:57 #navit: < gernot_> more then 20 worked not well. 14:57 #navit: < juse> oh okay 14:57 #navit: < gernot_> I know.... 14:57 #navit: < gernot_> :-) 14:57 #navit: < juse> Is it even possible haha 14:58 #navit: < juse> nice 14:58 #navit: < juse> I'm uploading vids right now 14:58 #navit: < gernot_> its hard sometime 14:59 #navit: < gernot_> I also installed navit on a raspi. (raspbian precompiled but cant it use in the car 14:59 #navit: < juse> haha 14:59 #navit: < juse> you'll be surprised whenyou see my setup 14:59 #navit: < juse> which theme are you using on navit? 14:59 #navit: < juse> the originaöl? 15:01 #navit: < gernot_> no, from opentom.free.fr. Additional i reduced the details and added two brightness buttons on osd 15:07 #navit: < juse> ok ok 15:07 #navit: < juse> damn uploading to dropbox takes 2 years lol 15:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: why can't you use it in the car ? 15:26 #navit: < gernot_> no display 15:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha ok. yeah. :) 15:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey jandegr 15:31 #navit: < juse> KaZeR I would say the upload takes 20 more mins 15:31 #navit: < juse> try to hang on ! :D 15:32 #navit: < juse> If you guys could make some software-wise FPS smoothening patch for the program, it would be topping on this beautiful cake ;) 15:33 #navit: < gernot_> im not sure raspy can do this 15:33 #navit: < jandegr> hi kazer , should you not be roadtesting ? 15:34 #navit: < juse> if you ask me, it should ;) 15:34 #navit: < juse> even for test 15:34 #navit: < juse> 10 fps would be much smoother than now 15:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: roadtesting is tomorrow. today is making sure everything is ready for tomorrow :) 15:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: funny that we were talking about screen, just received a 7" TFT for another project. 30 bucks 15:38 #navit: < juse> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k4724f96l7lvonr/AAD2rCTyE_HBEbvTUkGh-IV4a?dl=0 15:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: i've uploaded an update to the playstore yesterday. can you please try it ? 15:38 #navit: < juse> There are videos 15:38 #navit: < juse> sorry for my horrible English 15:38 #navit: < gernot_> is it bright enough? My TTXL display is much better then the tt730 Display 15:38 #navit: < juse> and please dont distribute those videos as my registry plate is shown 15:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> np juse. your english is fine really. and this is a nice setup congrats 15:40 #navit: < gernot_> Juse: that is not good. This chat is loged and indexed by google 15:41 #navit: < juse> WEll I'll delete the videos afterwards 15:45 #navit: < juse> The system is Kodi/XBMC on raspbian 15:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i've seen this setup before, it has been developed by a russian guy i believe. he did a great job 15:45 #navit: < jandegr> android menu gone, or is this intentional ? 15:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah you're right, the default theme is ugly :) 15:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: ? 15:46 #navit: < jandegr> crap, crashes on orientation change 15:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: if you want to help, https://translations.launchpad.net/navit/trunk/+pots/navit/fi/+translate could use some love :) 15:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: crap... 15:47 #navit: < jandegr> uninstallation complete :) 15:47 #navit: < juse> The guy who made it is Romanian, it is good job indeed 15:47 #navit: < juse> The installation just is a bit messy, I installed all this manually myself because his install script deleted wireless card drivers.. etc :D 15:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha 15:48 #navit: < juse> I just use the scripts for navit system from the kodi, because that integration is done so well 15:48 #navit: < jandegr> yes kazer, crap ! 15:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks for sharing that video juse. i've seen both now. question : what screen is that ? i have a liliput in my car, but the most annoying thing is that the screen is blue when switching channels. yours seems to be black, correct? 15:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> also, that's a resistive touchscreen, right ? 15:49 #navit: < juse> Yeah, just a second, I'll find it 15:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks 15:50 #navit: < juse> yes it's resistive, giving the fact it cost 30€ 15:50 #navit: < juse> haha 15:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> wow that's super cheap. maybe gernot_ will buy one :D 15:50 #navit: < gernot_> :_) 15:50 #navit: < juse> the control board of the screen had a option to blue screen as well 15:51 #navit: < juse> so you could choose from blue/black 15:51 #navit: < juse> It was like 60€ with control board 15:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> what features are you missing without this control board ? 15:53 #navit: < juse> what do you mean? 15:53 #navit: < juse> AT065TN14 was the screen 15:54 #navit: < juse> VS-TY2662-V1 is the control board 15:54 #navit: < juse> this control board has all the features I need right now 15:54 #navit: < juse> VGA, HDMI, and 2 AV inputs 15:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok, so you had to buy the panel + the control board 15:54 #navit: < juse> yeah but they were in a bundle 15:55 #navit: < juse> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251678893964 15:55 #navit: < juse> here 15:55 #navit: < juse> this control board has the remote controller, but you can do without it 15:55 #navit: < juse> I think it will lower the price 10-15£ 15:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm cool 15:56 #navit: < juse> And KaZeR I think you have like 7 translators already! Or is there something missing? :) 15:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> well it looks like we have 309 untranslated strings :) 15:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://translations.launchpad.net/navit/trunk/+pots/navit/fi/+translate?show=untranslated will show you only the untranslated strings 15:59 #navit: < juse> Yeah I saw, but all of them are things you can't translate to finnish :D 15:59 #navit: < juse> Do you wanna hear about the word forms in Finnish? ;) 15:59 #navit: < juse> We don't have independent word for "onto" 16:00 #navit: < juse> or "the" 16:00 #navit: < juse> let's say, road is "tie" in finnish 16:00 #navit: < juse> and when you say "onto road.." in english, it's "tielle" in finnish :D 16:05 #navit: < gernot_> hmmm. In the german Page is POI open. POI is well known here. 16:06 #navit: < juse> but hey KaZeR, is there any chance of FPS smoothening in future ? ;) 16:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: yeah we have a couple of options. it's just that it wasn 16:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> 't high priority for now 16:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: can you write code yourself ? 16:07 #navit: < juse> could you emulate the gps module and send more packets to the program? 16:07 #navit: < juse> I've written jut PHP, C# and java 16:07 #navit: < juse> so yes, a bit, but I don't know if I can do any much here to help :D 16:08 #navit: < juse> you think I could do this myself? :) 16:08 #navit: < juse> I canof course dl the source and dig it 16:10 #navit: < gernot_> I think increasing the gps rate work only with fast hardware. 16:10 #navit: < juse> yeah 16:11 #navit: < juse> it should parse the data pretty quickly 16:11 #navit: < juse> but something with drawing to the screen. Chop the displacement into 1/10 and then replay them on screen 16:12 #navit: < juse> with 10x frequency 16:12 #navit: < juse> well we will see :) 16:12 #navit: < gernot_> but increase lag 1 ore more second 16:13 #navit: < gernot_> maybe more for smooth scrolling. 16:13 #navit: < juse> yep 16:13 #navit: < juse> will try :) 16:14 #navit: < gernot_> I think you can simulate a faster gps reciver for a simple performance test. 16:14 #navit: < juse> but KaZeR keep us informed about this FPS thingy, there are many guys on the forums who would love it :) 16:15 #navit: < juse> yeah 16:15 #navit: < gernot_> navit can reply a nmea log from a file. 16:15 #navit: < juse> but that would be just useless use of the small RPi resources 16:16 #navit: < gernot_> If you manipulate the playback timer th could work 16:16 #navit: < juse> yep :D 16:16 -!- robertp [b20c6bbc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.12.107.188] has joined #navit 16:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah we probably have a couple of options 16:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> the easiest to implement could be to setup a callback every, say, 100 ms to a function that would extrapolate from the last n gps coordinates. extrapolating from the last 2 points should be easy to do and could tell us if it's the way to go (or not :) ) 16:21 #navit: < jandegr> Kazer I will update the android build on CI tomorrow or monday, current settings are no good 16:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok jandegr thanks. are you able to test an apk directly from circleci ? 16:23 #navit: < jandegr> yes 16:23 #navit: < jandegr> bye 16:23 -!- jandegr [5741708b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.112.139] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:43 #navit: < juse> Thanks Kazer, any ETA how long this modification would take? 16:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> depends of how many people look into it i guess :) 16:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> i can't myself this weekend 16:45 #navit: < gernot_> I think first step is to use more then one core. 16:46 #navit: < gernot_> At the moment it feel like routing, tracking, IO and displaying run in one thread 16:46 #navit: < juse> nice to hear!! 16:46 #navit: < juse> If you have it planned ;) 16:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: if you know some C i can definitely give you some pointers about this refresh rate 16:50 #navit: < juse> I do know the syntax, query me if you want :) 16:50 #navit: < juse> but i'll brb 20-30mins' 16:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> should be enough to start experimenting :) 17:01 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:06 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 17:06 #navit: < juse> yeah 17:25 #navit: < gernot_> by 17:26 -!- gernot_ [54b56511@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.181.101.17] has quit [] 17:36 -!- rd_ [~rd@p57A0FEB1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:44 -!- robertp [b20c6bbc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.12.107.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28 -!- juse [~juse@b738.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:36 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has joined #navit 21:28 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 21:45 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has joined #navit 22:06 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 22:11 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@127-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:18 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has joined #navit 22:26 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 22:51 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@75.144.20.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@c-67-161-64-186.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #navit 23:29 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sun Aug 02 00:00:01 2015