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05:58 #navit: < Marc0> KaZeR: I use navit on android
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11:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi
11:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> Marc0: ha great. did you subscribed to our beta channel?
11:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> (i'd like to get feedback on a specific issue that should be addressed, but i can't test myself right now, I don't have a device )
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12:05 #navit: < robertp> hi kazer
12:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi robertp. i'm currently looking into cleaning my alsa code to finish the audio framework. how's your player going ?
12:06 #navit: < robertp> did you test your spotify player after reorganizing the repo?
12:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> you mean my own repo ?
12:06 #navit: < robertp> i think i now do understand your player and tried to ...erm... copy it.
12:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> no worries that's what the code is here for :)
12:07 #navit: < robertp> but i get weird errors, when i try to start navit
12:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you cloned my repo after Sunday, i broke stuffs :)
12:07 #navit: < robertp> i replaced the spotify stuff with my things
12:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm fixing it right now. the player is working, but i need to address an issue with the alsa code when you have multiple soundcards
12:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's your issue exactly ?
12:09 #navit: < robertp> error:navit:plugin_load:can't load '/home/pi/navit-build/navit/gui/internal/.libs/libgui_internal.so', Error '/home/pi/navit-build/navit/gui/internal/.libs/libgui_internal.so: undefined symbol: media_set_current_track'
12:10 #navit: < robertp> i thought i have all includes... bit somewhere it mus be missing
12:10 #navit: < robertp> make completes without errors
12:11 #navit: < robertp> afk for lunch
12:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah for that i used an ugly hack yesterday, i'll have to clean it. i'll update my repo, looks like my alsa issue is fixed
12:20 #navit: < juse> what things are you working on atm Kazer?
12:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm cleaning up my spotify player. i've been meaning to start a better, generic purpose audio framework for a while. i have a POC somewhere, i need to finish it so that robertp can merge his mpd player
12:23 #navit: < juse> oh ok
12:23 #navit: < juse> nothing navit related haha
12:23 #navit: < juse> or...?
12:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> it is :)
12:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's an embedded spotify player in navit :)
12:26 #navit: < juse> nice
12:28 #navit: < juse> it's a shame this project only gets~200-300 downloads per week :/
12:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah we suck at PR :) but maybe you can help :)
12:31 #navit: < juse> haha
12:31 #navit: < juse> what kind of pictures you need? :)
12:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, to raise awareness there's a couple of things that can help : share 2015 screenshots and pictures of your setup. the video you share a few days ago was interesting too.
12:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> otherwise, sharing on blog comments, or maybe even writing a blog post about your setup would be great ( i like hackaday.io for example if you don't have a blog yourself )
12:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> ask your friends to test navit too. there's a few rough edges but we are actively working on them, and feedback from new users is really valuable in terms of UI/UX
12:36 #navit: < juse> hackday would be lovely
12:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> and you are guaranteed to get at least one skull :)
12:36 #navit: < juse> skull? :D
12:38 #navit: < juse> ah you mean hackday
12:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah :)
12:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> here's the current spotify player : http://sd-55475.dedibox.fr/k/navit/spotify.png
12:46 #navit: < robertp> that looks cool. i want it too. :D
12:47 #navit: < juse> very nice
12:48 #navit: < juse> now I don't know if I should make my project into "software" or "hardware" category :o
12:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: i'm about to commit the fixed code. there's still one ugly workaround but it works
12:51 #navit: < juse> hehe
12:51 #navit: < robertp> ok thank you a lot. ill be offline for about an hour....
12:51 #navit: < juse> kazer you got time to work with the fps thingy? :)
12:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> np robertp
12:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: not yet, but it's in my todo list, really. it was already there actually.. in my car i can read the can bus, and i get accurate speed readings, so i was planning to use that on my side to do it
12:54 #navit: < juse> oooh nice
12:55 #navit: < juse> I've been thinking about can bus also.. for OBD readings-...
12:55 #navit: < juse> But i'm too afraid that I will fuck something up with CAN.. :D
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12:56 #navit: < juse> My friend will buy a CAN reader so let's see how long my car will function haha
12:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> well,that's the key: can READER :)
12:57 #navit: < juse> haha :D
12:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> so you won't mess up things as long as you don't send frames :)
12:57 #navit: < juse> yep
12:58 #navit: < juse> I just don't know.. the placement for CAN BUS is in a bizarre position in my car...
12:58 #navit: < juse> the cable would show up and look ugly
12:58 #navit: < juse> But maybe if I will have money and time I'll look into it
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13:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> i bought my USB/CAN for ~$25. if you want to avoid the cable, you can also use a bluetooth one
13:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> or use a low profile cable extender
13:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> (for the obdII port)
13:47 #navit: < juse> hmh
13:48 #navit: < juse> Maybe I'll buy one hehe
13:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you do you might even be able to use your steering wheel buttons to control navit :)
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14:05 #navit: < robertp> juse: canbus resing is quite easy. the problem is the decoding.
14:05 #navit: < robertp> reading
14:05 #navit: < juse> indeed
14:05 #navit: < robertp> there are no standards for coding data via canbus
14:06 #navit: < juse> that's stupid imo
14:06 #navit: < robertp> i got an example for a audi a4 and i only few codes are useable for my volkswagen
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14:09 #navit: < luker_> Hi there. I just saved the OSD "NSeries Layout 3" to a file on my laptop and included the file in my $home/.navit/navit.xml. Navit doesn
14:09 #navit: < luker_> t start anymore.
14:10 #navit: < robertp> there's a typo
14:10 #navit: < robertp> inside a tag
14:11 #navit: < luker_> The including seems to have worked since naming the file wrongly restores the original no-OSD-but-starting state of navit.
14:11 #navit: < luker_> a typo by me or in that very osd preset?
14:13 #navit: < robertp> can you start it from a console?
14:13 #navit: < robertp> there would be an erro message
14:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> luker_: hopefully the osd downloads and settings will be done from the ui soon... no more messing with files
14:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> afk back in a few
14:24 #navit: < luker_> Thanks. "Element
14:25 #navit: < luker_> Thanks. "Element 'osd' within unexpected context 'config'". Where would it be expected?
14:43 #navit: < robertp> where did you insert the osd layout? i always put the osd under the originals
14:47 #navit: < Marc0> KaZeR: what is your beta channel?
14:47 #navit: < Marc0> @all: what is the can bus?
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14:53 #navit: < gernot_> hi
14:53 #navit: < Marc0> KaZeR: I asked to be a member :)
14:57 #navit: < juse> Marc0 can bus is a data bus in car
14:57 #navit: < juse> all the car computer information goes thru CAN
14:58 #navit: < juse> so you can read data like throttle level, the button presses, the air conditioning status etc from CAN
14:59 #navit: < Marc0> I see
14:59 #navit: < Marc0> and it is accessible easily?
14:59 #navit: < juse> yes
15:00 #navit: < juse> http://www.stuevencarhifi.de/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_volvo_xc90_pioneer_avic-f930bt_mit_original_volvo_soundsystem_most-can-bus_dvb-t_ruekfahrcamera_6.jpg
15:00 #navit: < juse> there's the CAN cable
15:01 #navit: < juse> some cars also have a fast plug for reading the data. There's one under my steering wheel in my Volvo
15:02 #navit: < Marc0> I would never dare to open my car THAT way :D
15:02 #navit: < juse> lol
15:02 #navit: < juse> I've digged mine like 5-10 times
15:02 #navit: < juse> It's really easy tbh
15:02 #navit: < Marc0> I would never have it fixed again (2 left hands, 10 stiff thumbs)
15:11 #navit: < juse> haha
15:11 #navit: < luker_> The XML element 'config' is the first after XML type and Doctype, on line 9. I inserted OSD just in the next line.
15:12 #navit: < luker_> Where are those 'originals' to put it after? I seem not to have any OSD by default.
15:13 #navit: < robertp> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration
15:15 #navit: < robertp> osd's must be between the navit tags
15:18 #navit: < gernot_> yes. e.g. after the </gui> tag (that is the end statment of the Gui configuration)
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16:27 #navit: < robertp> @KaZeR: Could you take a look on this? I dont know whats messed up... https://github.com/pohlinkzei/navit/tree/master/navit Always get an error that a symbol is not defined.
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16:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: sure
16:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> Marc0: application approved. I'm surprised that you need to apply, since last week it should be a public beta
16:43 #navit: < Marc0> KaZeR: np
16:43 #navit: < Marc0> but Google s***s, you can't simply download an apk with having a device...
16:44 #navit: < Marc0> s/with/without/
16:45 #navit: < Marc0> btw I installed the (nearly) latest build (6126 or so)
16:45 #navit: < Marc0> can it even be newer in the play store?
16:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> Marc0: how about opening your car like this? :) http://cloud.kazer.org/public.php?service=files&t=08197bb9af4279311c92480268325c76
16:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> 6126? the beta channel has 6135
16:49 #navit: < Marc0> omg... this *was* an elder car? :D
16:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's still running :) in fact i just used it :)
16:49 #navit: < Marc0> cool :)
16:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> (2000 Grand Cherokee. not so old :) )
16:50 #navit: < Marc0> so is there any advantage of using Google over using nightly builds?
16:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> right now they are built with a slightly different code. the nightly builds are built using SVN. the google playstore apks are built using github ( we are in a transition phase )
16:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> Jandegr ( one of the key contributor to the H5 rework ) only commits in github. and he's actively working on the android port
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> in the commits from 2 days ago you can see some of the latest tweaks he made : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/commits/trunk
17:00 #navit: < Marc0> I can even build for android on my own, cool
17:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
17:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can also just leverage our workflow : if you submit a pull request, the apk will be built automatically for you
17:03 #navit: < luker_> Thanks guys, it works. Put the <osd> entries first within <navit>.
17:04 #navit: < luker_> Late enough. Good night.
17:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> bye luker_
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17:13 #navit: < Marc0> well, good night
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