--- Log opened Thu Aug 13 00:00:17 2015 01:08 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@127-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 01:48 -!- juse [~juse@b738.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #navit 02:03 -!- KaZeR_ [~KaZeR@172.56.38.141] has joined #navit 02:05 -!- KaZeR__ [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has joined #navit 02:05 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08 -!- KaZeR_ [~KaZeR@172.56.38.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:52 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-fvtvtnlfvlbrccww] has joined #navit 02:58 -!- robertp [bc5c2134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.92.33.52] has joined #navit 02:59 #navit: < robertp> hi 03:02 -!- Robotaxi [3ef5dbf5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.245.219.245] has joined #navit 03:03 #navit: < juse> hey 03:47 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #navit 04:02 #navit: < KaZeR__> hi guys 04:25 -!- gernot_ [5dd4dcae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.212.220.174] has joined #navit 04:25 #navit: < gernot_> hi 04:26 #navit: < gernot_> KaZeR__: hi 04:36 #navit: < KaZeR__> great news guys, the one feature that is currently missing and that is really difficult to find a solution to might be solved : https://www.mashape.com/bestapi/waze-route-calculation# 04:37 #navit: < KaZeR__> they just fixed the api, i was monitoring it for some time. we are able to pull routes! 04:37 -!- KaZeR__ is now known as KaZeR 04:37 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 04:41 #navit: < gernot_> onlie routing ?? 04:42 #navit: < juse> doesn't navit already have routing engine? 04:42 #navit: < gernot_> online routing ?? with actual traffic 04:43 #navit: < juse> oh like google maps 04:43 #navit: < juse> in android 04:43 #navit: < juse> lovely =) 04:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> navit does have a routing engine indeed, which is quite great. but we are missing real time traffic. mostly because we don't have a huge fleet 04:44 #navit: < juse> I've never used the routing engine 04:44 #navit: < juse> lol 04:44 #navit: < gernot_> KaZeR: how can i see the ca results (roundabout probem) ? 04:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> juse: you have ;) 04:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: i would need to search :) 04:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> do we have a trac ticket related ? 04:45 #navit: < juse> huh? 04:46 #navit: < juse> I never used navit to routing haha 04:46 #navit: < juse> gotta try 04:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> you did in the video you shared :) 04:48 #navit: < gernot_> KaZeR: https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/routing-qa/88 04:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: i'll add something to push the resulting geojson to github so that we can see the related map easily 04:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've discussed the potential fix with tryagain, who has a deep knowledge of how the maps work, and he has some concerns with the solution that has been discussed, so we need to think a bit more about it 04:52 #navit: < gernot_> Could you see the problem at the submitted location? If not i search a other. 04:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://circle-artifacts.com/gh/navit-gps/routing-qa/88/artifacts/0/tmp/circle-artifacts.KMsO0wF/roundabout_street_4.yamlmetric.gpx : "Enter the roundabout in 9 kilometers and leave at the second exit" 04:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> is this supposed to be the second exit indeed ? 04:57 #navit: < gernot_> the second exit is correct 04:58 #navit: < gernot_> in the list all 3 roundabouts show the correct exit 04:59 #navit: < gernot_> With navit the first and the third are spoken wrong 05:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> well this is from navit :) we need to dig a bit more to reproduce your issue 05:03 #navit: < gernot_> the problem is not in the routing process. It is in navigate.c 05:04 #navit: < gernot_> There is a count loop which cont the allowed exit in realtime 05:05 #navit: < gernot_> I think the allowed low priority ways ar not present in memory 05:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes, and we were suspecting that it might be related to another issue that we know about street_4, but the QA test seems to infirm this 05:08 #navit: < gernot_> I think it is not bound to a specific priority. It is how the data in navigate.c are loaded from file. 05:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> i will have to go afk, but we should catch jandegr when he is around 05:15 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has joined #navit 05:16 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 05:21 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:23 -!- robertp [bc5c2134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.92.33.52] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27 -!- gernot_ [5dd4dcae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.212.220.174] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:55 -!- Horwitz [mich1@baldrian.franken.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:07 -!- Horwitz [mich1@baldrian.franken.de] has joined #navit 08:07 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ 08:14 -!- robertp [bc5c2134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.92.33.52] has joined #navit 08:23 -!- robertp [bc5c2134@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.92.33.52] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:50 -!- couka [d957d131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.87.209.49] has joined #navit 08:52 #navit: < couka> Hello everyone 08:56 #navit: < couka> Is there a way to modify the internal keyboard? 10:18 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-fvtvtnlfvlbrccww] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-ivawjopcvshiqilp] has joined #navit 10:34 -!- jandegr [57414db1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.77.177] has joined #navit 10:48 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-ivawjopcvshiqilp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:02 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-itlmituoivnwfoej] has joined #navit 11:28 #navit: < couka> Hello everyone 12:52 -!- Robotaxi [3ef5dbf5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.245.219.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:52 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-itlmituoivnwfoej] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:01 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has joined #navit 14:04 -!- mode/#navit [+o KaZeR] by ChanServ 14:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there 14:56 -!- robertp [584aaf83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.175.131] has joined #navit 15:18 #navit: < couka> Hello everyone 15:18 #navit: < couka> Is there a way to modify the layout of the internal keyboard? 15:19 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 15:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi couka. mmm interesting question. what platform ? 15:23 #navit: < couka> Linux 15:23 #navit: < couka> Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi2, to be specific 15:24 #navit: < couka> I'm building a navigation system, but the keyboard layout is not optimal for a 1024x600 screen 15:25 #navit: < couka> *car nav 15:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> 1024x600? interesting. what is your screen ? 15:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> also, what changes do you need on the keyboard layout? the layout itself usually depends upon your locale settings 15:26 #navit: < couka> It's a 7 inch touchscreen from reichelt.de 15:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> the pi2 is an awesome platform for a carputer 15:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> you have a reference for that screen? i'm considering upgrading mine 15:27 #navit: < couka> the problem is that the keyboard covers the suggestions for towns, streets etc 15:28 #navit: < couka> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NTMwOTc4OTk-/Bauelemente_Bauteile/Aktive_Bauelemente/Displays/7_17_78_cm_Display_Set_mit_Touchscreen_LS_7T_HDMI_DVI_VGA_CVBS.html 15:28 #navit: < couka> pollin not reichelt, sry 15:29 #navit: < couka> Yes the Pi 2 is really worth the money :) 15:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> wow this screen is super cheap 15:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh so your issue is the key sizes, not the layout of the letters ? have you tried tweaking the font size setting ? 15:32 #navit: < couka> in which file? 15:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> navit.xml, look for font_size 15:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you have a screenshot showing the issue ? 15:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> 230 cd/m² -> ah that explains the price :) 15:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> (interesting screen still) 15:37 #navit: < couka> well, not great to read in direct sunlight, but thats the case for most car navs :) 15:37 #navit: < couka> i'll upload a screenshot... 15:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks. keep us up to date with this project i'm really interested. are you using raspbian ? 15:40 #navit: < couka> yes i am 15:40 #navit: < couka> http://fs2.directupload.net/images/150813/575p43wl.jpg 15:40 #navit: < couka> at the beginning i used a project from a guy named Andrei Istodorescu http://engineering-diy.blogspot.de/ 15:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i know about this project, hence me asking :) i'm not a big fan of the xbmc part tho 15:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah you can probably reduce the font size, especially on a big screen like this 15:41 #navit: < couka> But now, after a few hundred hours, theres pretty much nothing left of the original project xD 15:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> what do you mean ? 15:44 #navit: < couka> i changed the xbmc skin a lot, to fit my needs, but thats not that easy to do with navit :P 15:45 #navit: < couka> http://www.tuning-fans.de/104-tuv-verkehrsrecht-and-versicherungen/38301-elektrik-elektronikbasteleien-am-auto-interessierts-tuv-3.html 15:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> wow my german is rusty :) 15:47 #navit: < couka> i cant find a font_size tag in navit.xml... could you tell me the parent xml tags? 15:48 #navit: < couka> haha... just wanted to add some pictures, dont care about the text ^^ 15:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> something like this : 15:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> have you tried your setup in a car already? how do you handle the poweroff ? 15:58 -!- tryagain [~quassel@178.216.76.143] has joined #navit 16:02 #navit: < couka> ah, i found it thx :) 16:02 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-148-162.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 16:02 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: Robotaxi's build (#454; push) in navit-gps/navit (Robotaxi) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/454 16:02 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-148-162.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:02 #navit: < couka> no i didn't, but since i want to power the system from a dedicated battery, that shouldn't be a problem 16:05 #navit: < couka> i guess i'm going to use an arduino or something for managing the boot-up and shutdown process 16:09 -!- jandegr [57414db1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.77.177] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14 #navit: < tryagain> KaZeR the problem gernot_ describes with roundabout count looks very much like it's indeed caused by the following. navigation.c code uses route graph to count roundabout exits, but route graph is not equal to whole road graph. It has minor roads which are far enough from route endpoints excluded. 16:15 #navit: < tryagain> It's very similar to street_4 problem, and one should be able to workaround it with car_pedantic profile 16:16 #navit: < tryagain> But actual solution i see is different. 16:18 #navit: < tryagain> I think we should load full road graph on each point of the route where route segments connect to each other. Or at least do it where route segments flagged as roundaboout connect to each other. 16:18 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 16:20 #navit: * tryagain attempts to remember if he already wrote this idea to some ticket 16:22 #navit: < xenos1984> tryagain: that explains why navit misses one exit when the exit from the roundabout uses the same node as the entry point (this happens here a few times and i always wondered why navit tells me to leave at the 0th exit) 16:22 -!- Jandegr [57414db1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.77.177] has joined #navit 16:23 #navit: < couka> sry to interfere... are you talking about the issue with the wrong roundabout exit recommendation? 16:23 #navit: < xenos1984> yes 16:23 #navit: < tryagain> couka you're welcome to interfere. And yes, we do. 16:24 #navit: < couka> ok, i was confused a bit :) 16:24 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 for zeroth exit i think there's a ticket and patch from jandegr, which seem to work well for me 16:25 #navit: < xenos1984> tryagain: ah, good, i'll check this out, hopefully i have some time at the weekend 16:25 #navit: < couka> I started to dig through the navit code about 20 hours ago, i guess i cant help with that yet ^^ 16:26 #navit: < Jandegr> It is not related to street 4 and you just can follow the link from circle to some fix i wrote last week 16:26 #navit: < tryagain> xenos1984 your case is here http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1303 16:27 #navit: < tryagain> but we need jandegr (hi!) to add LHD compatibility to his patch 16:29 #navit: < Jandegr> I meant the case from gernot 16:31 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:31 #navit: < tryagain> jandegr, interesting... can you please give the link to the branch/patch with your fix? 16:33 #navit: < couka> is there a fix for this problem already? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1251 16:34 #navit: < tryagain> jandegr iirc gernot' problem depends on the distance from route endpoints, i.e. it's not reproduceable on short routes even with the same roundabout. So i was concluded it's related to routegraph reduction 16:35 #navit: < Jandegr> https://github.com/jandegr/navit/commits/roundabout-exit/navit/navigation.c 16:36 #navit: < tryagain> couka no, it seems nobody has code to fix it 16:36 #navit: < couka> I find it really hard to get the street labels to render... at orders ~ <15 there are hardly any roads, where the street names are rendered 16:36 #navit: < Jandegr> Only gernot case, trac not meegedaan yet 16:37 #navit: < couka> does anyone know where the code is located, which determines where the labels are placed? 16:38 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 16:38 #navit: < Jandegr> Have to go now 16:38 #navit: < tryagain> gn, jan 16:39 #navit: < couka> gn 16:39 #navit: < tryagain> couka it's probably in graphics.c, in displaylist processing 16:40 #navit: < couka> thanks a lot :) 16:40 #navit: < tryagain> iirc current code compares line segment length with label length and does not place labels which are shorter than the segment 16:41 -!- robertp [584aaf83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.175.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:42 #navit: < tryagain> the solution would be to merge individual connected segments into longer agreagte segments, and attempt to place labels on these agregates 16:42 #navit: < tryagain> *individual connected segments with the same label 16:42 -!- Jandegr [57414db1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.65.77.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> xenos1984: feel free to try the patch in a branch if it's not done already.. it will make merging a breath :) 16:43 #navit: < xenos1984> KaZeR: i will try - so i will also learn using the new workflow :) 16:44 #navit: < tryagain> Jandegr your code seems to implement the idea i just posted here. 16:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> xenos1984: ping me if you have any questions / comments 16:45 #navit: < couka> i guess the solution with the "bent" labels is out of my skills... but just adding something like (label_length - 10px < segment_length) => render might help for the moment 16:45 #navit: < tryagain> But i have some questions: does it re-query base map on each query of route map, even if route is not changed? I think some caching could be useful. 16:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> couka: awesome, we found a new dev to help :D 16:49 #navit: < tryagain> Jandegr 2) your solution works only for roundabouts... Can we miss some turn instruction if main road itself turns but has a continuation which is minor road? But we seem to suppress such notifications anyway, at least for some cases... So it's not a rethorical question. 16:53 #navit: < tryagain> Jandegr it also would be more efficient to query the map for multiple points at once (with chained coord_sel) instead of querying it on each roundabout point. 16:59 -!- juse2 [~juse@b738.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #navit 16:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain: btw what you suggested yesterday for the audio framework was super easy to setup. the POC works, i just need to adapt the code now. thanks! 16:59 #navit: < tryagain> damn, we seem to miss this mess http://sourceforge.net/p/navit/code/6128/ from git 17:00 #navit: < tryagain> KaZeR great! 17:00 -!- juse [~juse@b738.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain: i'm not sure if i had a chance to tell you, but the svn repo is in read only now to avoid more diverging code 17:03 #navit: < tryagain> you had no chance, but i was pretty sure it's :) 17:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok :) 17:23 #navit: < tryagain> hm, where's the circle ci bot? I have commited to trunk, expecting ci start message to come immediately... 17:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-107-75.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 17:29 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: mdankov's build (#455; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/455 17:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-107-75.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> it does start immediately but it takes about 15 minutes to complete 17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can follow the status using the circleci website, for each repo and branches 17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> Duration 11:56 17:32 #navit: < tryagain> ic 17:36 #navit: < tryagain> Navit, compile 17:36 #navit: < Navit> Starting compiler 17:36 -!- robertp [584aaf83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.175.131] has joined #navit 17:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> tryagain: circle currently compiles for linux, windows and android by default, in a sequential manner. we can add up to 4x parallelism to speed it up, for free. i'll do that soon 17:41 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-101-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 17:41 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#456; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/456 17:41 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-101-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:49 -!- robertp [584aaf83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.74.175.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@127-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:05 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1DE23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06 -!- tryagain [~quassel@178.216.76.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19 #navit: < couka> gn everybody :) 18:19 -!- couka [d957d131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.87.209.49] has left #navit [] 18:25 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed 18:25 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html 18:29 -!- sleske [~sleske@p4FD45645.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 18:32 #navit: < sleske> Hi! 18:32 #navit: < sleske> It looks like I cannot log in to the forum anymore. http://forum.navit-project.org/ 18:33 #navit: < sleske> I could olways log in with my wiki credentials, but now it does not work ("incorrect username"). 18:33 #navit: < sleske> Login to the wiki still works. 18:34 #navit: < sleske> Any ideas? 18:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey sleske 18:40 #navit: < sleske> Hey! 18:40 #navit: < sleske> Finally we meet :-) 18:41 #navit: < sleske> Well, sort of... virtually.# 18:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> hehe indeed :) 18:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have the same issue with the forum. give me a moment and i'll look on the server side 18:43 #navit: < sleske> No problem, I don't have anything urgent to post. Just wanted to add a reply about the Git switch. 18:45 #navit: < sleske> I have some questions though :-). 18:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> shoot! 18:50 #navit: < sleske> First: Thanks for closing the Github issues for Navit. Having two issue systems would have been problematic. 18:51 #navit: < sleske> Then: What is the purpose of the "maptool" repository? Is it just for CI stuff? 18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> about github : you're welcome. 18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> about the repository : currently it was mostly to work on some ideas to improve our map processing / distribution 18:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> one of the ideas was to store the tiles directly in github. versionned map, and free CDN for the delivery.. but the github folks didn't really like the idea :) 18:53 #navit: < sleske> Ah, ok. First I though you had split the main repo into "navit" and "maptool", but maptool itself is still in the navit repo (which is probably the best solution). 18:54 #navit: < sleske> Personally, I'm not such a big fan of the whole tile idea - we have all that rendering code for a reason :-). 18:54 #navit: < sleske> I must admit I'm biased though - I started with Navit specifically because I was looking for a program that could render offline :-). 18:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> i said tile, but not as in the graphic tiles, i meant the tiles that we have in the zipfile 18:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> offline rendering is definitely what got me in navit too :) 18:56 #navit: < sleske> Ah, ok, misunderstanding. Well, for the binfile maps we have a solution already (maps.navit-project.org). To me it looks fine the way it is - but I don't know the details. 19:00 #navit: < sleske> Second point: I 19:00 #navit: < sleske> 'd like to do some cleanup :-). 19:00 #navit: < sleske> Specifically: 19:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> yay cleanup! 19:00 #navit: < sleske> a) The funny usernames in trac (see http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1140 ) 19:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah. let's do that today. 19:01 #navit: < sleske> b) Orderly shutdown of our sourceforge presence. 19:01 #navit: < sleske> How can we go about that? 19:02 #navit: < sleske> For the trac stuff, I have the scripts alreay. What's missing is: 1) the name mapping (bad ->good), and 2) actually running the change script. 19:02 #navit: < sleske> For that, I 19:02 #navit: < sleske> 'd need either DB access, or a dump and someone to run the script. 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> db access is a bit complicated. technically the server belongs to cp15 and i don't want to grant access without his consent. but let's do the other solution 19:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> are you good with postgres? i've never used it 19:05 #navit: < sleske> Well, I've played around a bit. I work with SQL DBs a lot, and the differences are mostly not that big. I'll get by :-). 19:06 #navit: < sleske> I can understand about the server access - sensitive stuff. 19:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'd grant you access if it was my server, i have no concerns about you 19:06 #navit: < sleske> Proposal: You send me a db dump (like last time). I whip up a proposed list of user mappings. 19:06 #navit: < sleske> You complain and correct the list. Then you can run it. 19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm on it. 19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> while i wrap my head around postgres, some food for thoughts regarding maps : 19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> - i'm not sure that we know who runs each map server ( i don't ) and we don't have a way to monitor the health and version of each server 19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> - if you want to update your map currently you need to redownload it completely. there has to be a better way to update only the tiles and indexes we need 19:08 #navit: < sleske> I though cp15 ran the servers? Doesn't he run everything under .navit-project.org? 19:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that some map servers were run by contributors at some points. but this is unsure :) 19:09 #navit: < sleske> Ah, I see. Yes, incremental updates would be cool. However, I don't see an easy solution, given my (limited) knowledge of our binfile format. 19:10 #navit: < sleske> I mean, the binfiles are basically a memory dump of our internal format. No idea how to do ncremental updates. 19:10 #navit: < sleske> At the least, you'd need to unpack the ZIP envelope for incremental updates, and that makes the data explode :-/. 19:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually, binfiles are just a zip file of tiles, which are indeed a specific dump 19:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> but you can update the tiles in the zip without expanding it 19:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> check this : https://github.com/pgrandin/map_updater 19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> this poc is capable of updating the tiles in your binfile. without downloading tiles outside of the original geographical area 19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> doing it inplace, no uncompressing required 19:13 #navit: < sleske> Ah, cool. Yes, of course, now you mention it - you can update individual files in a ZIP without unpacking everything. I forgot. 19:14 #navit: < sleske> I mostly use tar.gz, where this does not work :-). 19:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha :) 19:14 #navit: < sleske> Anyway, you're getting a lot done. I'm impressed. 19:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> so, this code is really a poc. there's a few issues with it, but it proves that we can ( and should ;) ) do better 19:15 #navit: < sleske> I'm still working on one ticket since February (the Cairo switch). Almost done now ... 19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha thanks. there's so much to do still! 19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha, which ticket is that ? 19:15 #navit: < sleske> Finally, AA lines on Linux :-). 19:15 #navit: < sleske> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/66 19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> OH WOW 19:15 #navit: < sleske> Very old... 19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> :D 19:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> stoopid me forgot that trac is actually on my server.. so it's mysql... 19:16 #navit: < sleske> I had to learn a lot about GDK, about Cairo, and about some funky tricks in our map rendering... 19:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> i've pm'ed you an url to download a dump of trac 19:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's great, i know who to ask now for map rendering related stuffs :) 19:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> one thing i'd like to look at soon : svg rendering in navit. get rid of that converter unless it's really mandatory 19:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> any thoughts? 19:21 #navit: < sleske> On Linux, SVGs work just fine :-). 19:21 #navit: < sleske> I think some other platforms have trouble - Windows maybe, or Windows CE? 19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes, but gui_internal still uses a converted to render them as far as i can tell 19:21 #navit: < sleske> TomTom? All those poor weak embedded platforms... 19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> well if we could get rid of the converter at least for linux, i'd already be happy :) 19:22 #navit: < sleske> Good idea. Maybe I can do something... _adds to long TOOD list_ 19:22 #navit: < sleske> About the PM: Do you mean forum PM? I can't log in ... 19:23 #navit: < sleske> Just checked, Wiki works, Forum not. 19:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> the pm was for the redmine DB dump, for the usernames change :) 19:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll look into the forum ( which indeed is on cp15's server, so postgres) 19:24 #navit: < sleske> No problem. You can just send me an emal in the mean time :-). 19:24 #navit: < sleske> About the sourceforge stuff: 19:25 #navit: < sleske> Could I get temporary admin permissions there? Then I could change the main page, shut down the ticket system (and clean up / migrate existing tickets). 19:26 #navit: < sleske> Also, there is some forum in zombie state there. That should probably be locked, too. And whatever else I find... 19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> you got permission like two days ago :) 19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> and i really appreciate your help on this! 19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> check my latest email ;) 19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> did you get the link with the trac db dump ? 19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> by pm i meant irc pm by the way :D 19:29 #navit: < sleske> Ah, yes, IRC has PMs, too. I didn't get any, though... or wait... 19:29 #navit: < sleske> Yes, I did. Silly me, I should actually learn about the IRC client I use (irssi). Didn't see the notification. 19:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha np 19:44 #navit: < sleske> Thanks for the dump. I'll whip up a list, and post it to the trac ticket (and maybe on the forum, once I get in). 19:44 #navit: < sleske> Then we can discuss it, and I'll make the final script. 19:44 #navit: < sleske> About sourceforge: I 19:45 #navit: < sleske> 'll try to get to it soon. 19:45 #navit: < sleske> Well, thanks a lot. 19:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> no, thank you for your help. ping me whenever you want and we can get both ( trac + sf ) done in real time 19:45 #navit: < sleske> I enjoyed chatting - unfortunately it's 1:45 AM here, and my alarm will ring... soon. I'll try getting some sleep. 19:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> have a good night! 19:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> come back more often ;) 19:46 #navit: < sleske> Have good... afternoon? 19:46 #navit: < sleske> I 19:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> nailed it. 4:46pm here 19:47 #navit: < sleske> 'd love to chat more often. It's just these other hobbies - one I get paid for, but must sit in an office. The other is small, very cute, and likes to hug me. In exchange, I must read lots of stories. 19:47 #navit: < sleske> Well, such is life :-). 19:47 #navit: < sleske> See you! 19:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha 19:48 -!- sleske [~sleske@p4FD45645.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:11 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1F0DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 20:12 -!- _rd [~rd@p4FD1F0DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-12107.failed 21:06 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html 22:40 -!- KaZeR [~KaZeR@64.201.252.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri Aug 14 00:00:19 2015