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00:50 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: pgrandin's build (#494; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/sq.po) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/494
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00:54 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#495; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/495
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04:51 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: pgrandin's build (#501; retry by pgrandin) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pt.po) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/501
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07:26 #navit: < F100> Hallo
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07:34 #navit: < robertp> hi
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10:43 #navit: < F100> Hallo, seit der Installation der Version 6135, findet Navit die angepasste navit.xml im rootverzeichnis der SD-Karte meines Android-Handys nicht mehr. Wo sucht Navit nach der xml-Datei? Vielen Dank und viele Grüße Frank
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11:09 #navit: < robertp> hi
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12:44 #navit: < gernot_> hi
12:44 #navit: < gernot_> a new mapptool failure to catch:
12:45 #navit: < gernot_> write(4, "PK\3\4\n\0\0\0\10\0\0w\23GHM\232\22718\0\0\30\260\0\0\16\0\0\0ad"..., 4096) = -1 EFBIG (File too large)
12:45 #navit: < gernot_> command was "maptool -P -i /media/debian/home/garfield/germany_cut.osm.pbf osm-germany-latest.bin -6"
12:46 #navit: < gernot_> destination: -rw-r--r-- 1 g g 2147483647 Aug 19 18:39 osm-germany-latest.bin
12:48 #navit: < gernot_> filesystem allow big files: /dev/sdb3 on /media/5 type ext4
12:48 #navit: < gernot_> have to go
12:48 #navit: < gernot_> by
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15:02 #navit: < robertp> hi
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15:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey robertp
15:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> i made some progress yesterday on the audio framework. it's almost finished, i might be able to finalize it today
15:46 #navit: < robertp> cool
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15:50 #navit: < JoaoPi> hi i'm a translator and i'm having 2 issues
15:50 #navit: < JoaoPi> ...I only notice a couple hours ago that navit was on the verge of a stable release so sorry :/
15:51 #navit: < JoaoPi> I'm only trying to get some things more uniform, no radical changes (and I was the only translator in the lat 2 years) (portuguese)
15:52 #navit: < JoaoPi> 1st some bot imported almost immediately the first change I made but doesn't import the others, even hours after
15:53 #navit: < JoaoPi> 2nd I cannot change a particular string (no 375 - _Display)
15:53 #navit: < JoaoPi> I wanted to change it from E_xibir to _Exibir because the E isn't being used
15:58 #navit: < robertp> KaZeR: i started to work on a color configuration gui. First attempt for a graphical configuration (which was found very important by a non programmer friend)
16:00 #navit: <@KaZeR> JoaoPi: thank you so much for your contributions!
16:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> the bot process is not fully automated, we trigger it manually and we need to figure out a few quirks, but i'll look into it
16:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> we're really close to a release indeed, and thanks to you portuguese is one of the translations that has the most items translated! sweet!
16:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's your issue with _Exibir ? what is preventing you from being able to do it ?
16:04 #navit: < JoaoPi> thank you! :)
16:04 #navit: < JoaoPi> when are you aiming for it?
16:05 #navit: < JoaoPi> in launchpad the "Save & Continue" button doesn't show up if the page contains the string 375 ("_Display")
16:06 #navit: < JoaoPi> I have tried to edit it by searching and by going to page 37 directly
16:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> we don't have a really official date.. it's more like when we feel that it's ready :) http://trac.navit-project.org/milestone/version%200.5.0
16:21 #navit: < JoaoPi> ok :) so do I still have some days to make things more uniform?
16:22 #navit: < JoaoPi> the only thing I did today was to replace some mnemonic keys
16:24 #navit: < JoaoPi> that _Display issue is very minor but it's weird
16:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> it is weird indeed. Let me look into the raw file
16:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> afk 15-20 minutes
16:27 #navit: < JoaoPi> ok
16:39 #navit: < robertp> bye
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17:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> btw the "Data" menu in the GTK interface is empty
17:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> you might want to hide it for a formal release
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18:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha, thanks JoaoPi
18:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> the GTK interface hasn't received much love recently we are more focused on the internal gui currently
18:06 #navit: < JoaoPi> I think it's nice for a desktop
18:07 #navit: < JoaoPi> it's easy to choose points
18:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> it definitely is
18:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> are you using navit yourself for navigation ?
18:14 #navit: < JoaoPi> I don't have a car yet :p
18:14 #navit: < JoaoPi> I found Navit when I was searching for a easy way to view and route OSM maps offline in GNU/Linux
18:15 #navit: < JoaoPi> talking about easy, Navit still needs a easy way to choose a map file and switch interfaces, for the desktop
18:16 #navit: < JoaoPi> so that a less techy user can install and use Navit right away
18:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> well you don't need a car to use navit, we also have pedestrian and bicycle profiles. I even believe we have profile for horse riders :)
18:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> new users feedback is extremely valuable so i'd really like to hear about what you think
18:22 #navit: < JoaoPi> I haven't gone to unknown areas since I discovered navit (around 1 month ago)
18:25 #navit: < JoaoPi> ok here's some (positive) criticism to the latest navit version:
18:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> shoot :)
18:27 #navit: < JoaoPi> - as I said, navit's lacking an easy way to choose the map file and the interface in the desktop version
18:27 #navit: < JoaoPi> - it should count the exit in roundabouts
18:29 #navit: < JoaoPi> - sudo apt-get install navit should install a ready to use navit (GTK interface by default? or the native one with the GTK right click?), that just asks for a map if none is configured
18:30 #navit: < JoaoPi> - maybe even convert the OSM formats to bin in the fly, if the user points to an unconverted OSM map
18:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> - right-click (and an equivalent in the native interface) "ignore this road" (would be useful for map errors, damaged/bad roads, etc)
18:33 #navit: < JoaoPi> I mean I'm not sure about the technical difficulties but those are some nice things I would like navit to have
18:34 #navit: < JoaoPi> - (in a more distant future) save the routes, along with temporary "edits" as ignoring a road to a "save file"
18:35 #navit: < JoaoPi> - print routes to paper
18:35 #navit: < JoaoPi> (or export to PDF)
18:36 #navit: < JoaoPi> and I think it's about it :P
18:36 #navit: < JoaoPi> a lot of work :S
18:37 #navit: < JoaoPi> this is more about the desktop version which is what I'm using
18:37 #navit: < JoaoPi> I have yet to try it on android but my phone is very low end
18:39 #navit: < JoaoPi> oh and I don't mean to read the OSM map "in the fly", I wanted to say to just convert it to bin and store it in ~/.navit
18:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's definitely useful. i'm putting all that in a note
18:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks for sharing. about your phone, navit should not require a high end phone. we have support for some very, very old devices :) (routing might be a bit slow, but that should be it)
18:48 #navit: < JoaoPi> it's the storage, I have 250mb free with just some apps installed
18:49 #navit: < JoaoPi> I should get an SD card
18:50 #navit: < JoaoPi> I think the most urgent feature that I listed would be the roundabout exit counting
18:52 #navit: < JoaoPi> and thanks for hearing me, although I'm pretty sure some things that I said are a nightmare...
19:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> the roundabout exit counting ?
19:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> - right-click (and an equivalent in the native interface) "ignore this road" (would be useful for map errors, damaged/bad roads, etc) -> is already implemented. it's named "traffic distorsion". maybe we need to make it more obvious :)
19:08 #navit: < JoaoPi> yes, it just says to enter the roundabout in x meters but doesn't say which exit the driver should take
19:08 #navit: < JoaoPi> oh it is
19:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
19:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> which version are you running on your desktop?
19:09 #navit: < JoaoPi> but it doesn't seem to update the route after marking a road as blocked
19:09 #navit: < JoaoPi> the lates from github
19:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
19:10 #navit: < JoaoPi> with the latest commit from 18h ago
19:11 #navit: < JoaoPi> well the blocked feature doesn't seem to work :/
19:11 #navit: < JoaoPi> and it should have a blocked check so the user doesn't have to remember
19:11 #navit: < JoaoPi> should have a check*
19:17 #navit: < JoaoPi> also: (light?) arrows on single way roads
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha we can probably address that blocked feature. it would actually be great if you could create a ticket for the important items : http://trac.navit-project.org
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> i put your comments in my own notes to look at it, but a ticket would bring community discussion, and some other folks not active on IRC right now could look into it too
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> about the arrows, this one is a bit more difficult currently, because of the way we render maps
19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha, here's the ticket for the arrows : http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1165
19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> two years ago. damn we need to close these guys faster :)
19:28 #navit: < JoaoPi> oh okay, I have to word them better then
19:28 #navit: < JoaoPi> and I have to test the blocked problem more, I can't just say that it doesn't work...
19:28 #navit: < JoaoPi> hah ok :)
19:29 #navit: < JoaoPi> and I have to check for duplicates...
19:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually that would be really useful for us too. so that we can focus on fixing the issues :)
19:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> also bumping an issue will make it appear in the recent timeline. it helps us gauge the users interests.
19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> somebody might ask for a feature that nobody else will use. somebody else might ask for a feature that hundreds would like to see. active tickets help us find that information
19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> i hope it does not sound too procedural :)
19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> (of course discussing ideas / issues on irc is always welcome )
19:38 #navit: < JoaoPi> ok :) it sounds a bit :p
19:38 #navit: < JoaoPi> what is the difference between grey tickets and blue ones?
19:41 #navit: < JoaoPi> i got it - it's the priority
19:50 #navit: < JoaoPi> well I read the titles of the enhancements and there doesn't seem to be any duplicates
19:51 #navit: < JoaoPi> i'll make those and look better in the blocked issue
19:51 #navit: < JoaoPi> do you want me to make a trivial ticket to hide "Data" in the GTK interface or will you just do it?
19:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you don't mind i think that a ticket would be better. or, come bug me again tomorrow, that works too :D
19:59 #navit: < JoaoPi> maybe both? :P
20:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep both would be perfect
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1309
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1310
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1311
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1312
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1313
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> here you go :P
20:32 #navit: < JoaoPi> I have to look better at the blocked issue
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20:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i already received emails :D
20:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> about #1310 i'm really surprised, so if you could provide some details about your test it would help
20:45 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1314
20:45 #navit: < JoaoPi> for the launchpad one
20:45 #navit: < JoaoPi> is a screenshot of the roadbook fine?
20:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> ugh
20:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> *shame*
20:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> there's an horizontal scroll bar...
20:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> grrrrr
20:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> (ticket 1314..)
21:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
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21:12 #navit: < JoaoPi> do yo want a screenshot for 1310?
21:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah it could help. the coordinates of your test ( start point / end point ) could help too
21:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> it's surprising because check this : https://circle-artifacts.com/gh/navit-gps/routing-qa/89/artifacts/0/tmp/circle-artifacts.PQ42wMu/roundabout_street_4.yamlmetric.gpx
21:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> <rtept lon='12.4329683171534455' lat='48.2562151978939085'><type>nav_roundabout_r4</type><name>Enter the roundabout in 9 kilometers and leave at the second exit</name></rtept>
21:19 #navit: < JoaoPi> is there a way to copy the coordinates to the clipboard?
21:19 #navit: < JoaoPi> thats what I expected
21:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> from the right clic menu no?
21:22 #navit: < JoaoPi> ugh
21:22 #navit: < JoaoPi> I have clicked on the 3 kinds of coordinates and it doesn't copy
21:24 #navit: < JoaoPi> i can if I add as a marker
21:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> i can give it a test in a moment. i would have expected the popup menu content to be selectable
21:26 #navit: < JoaoPi> maybe the menu somehow broke?
21:26 #navit: < JoaoPi> that would explain the blocked issue
21:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> well that's a possibility indeed :)
21:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> you're on linux right?
21:28 #navit: < JoaoPi> yes
21:30 #navit: < JoaoPi> I'm always rebuilding navit to ensure the translations make sense and look (minimally) natural
21:30 #navit: < JoaoPi> some things were blindly translated
21:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah sometimes it's hard to translate without the context of the application
21:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks a lot for your help, we really appreciate
21:35 #navit: < JoaoPi> http://trac.navit-project.org/attachment/ticket/1310/Navit_1310.png
21:35 #navit: < JoaoPi> no problem, your effort is much bigger and much appreciated :)
21:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha well i just sit around in this irc channel and pretend to give useful advice. it's really all i do ;)
21:45 #navit: < JoaoPi> well you look like one of the main devs :P
21:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> just because i'm good at pretending ;)
21:57 #navit: < JoaoPi> you wouldnt be the owner of so many tickets otherwise
21:57 #navit: < JoaoPi> well I tried the bera and RC1 and I don't seem to be able to copy coordinates or mark roads as blocked
21:57 #navit: < JoaoPi> beta*
21:58 #navit: < JoaoPi> same with roundabouts
22:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok thanks for the feedback. that
22:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> 's definitely something to fix before the release :)
22:05 #navit: < JoaoPi> I didn't even know it was supposed to copy the coordinates
22:06 #navit: < JoaoPi> have you checked it yourself? + the roundabouts
22:10 #navit: < JoaoPi> is there traffic distortion in the native interface?
22:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> i need to finish smth else before but i'll definitely check. if i start navit now i'll get sidetracked :)
22:24 #navit: < JoaoPi> ok sure ;)
22:24 #navit: < JoaoPi> it's just that I don't know what to open an ticket under
22:25 #navit: < JoaoPi> and I have to go sleep
22:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> no worries i'll have a look
22:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> have a good night!
22:26 #navit: < JoaoPi> thanks :)
22:27 #navit: < JoaoPi> bye
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