--- Log opened Mon Feb 22 00:00:05 2016 01:51 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@118-166-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 03:00 -!- jskarvad [~jskarvad@redhat/jskarvad] has joined #navit 03:00 -!- Jorgos [8bb53002@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.181.48.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-uewckooadpijlivx] has joined #navit 03:20 -!- robertp [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has joined #navit 04:47 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #navit 05:29 -!- alexhell0xbf [~alexhell@178.70.86.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23 -!- alexhell0xbf [~alexhell@78.25.120.232] has joined #navit 07:45 -!- robertp [d9f3f0ac@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.243.240.172] has quit [] 08:07 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-uewckooadpijlivx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:16 -!- juse [~juse@fow4.kyla.fi] has joined #navit 08:21 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-yckzpvvgdalydsuz] has joined #navit 09:00 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-yckzpvvgdalydsuz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:12 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-jsnruipwnzsriprn] has joined #navit 12:09 -!- jjelen [jjelen@nat/redhat/x-jsnruipwnzsriprn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:34 #navit: < KaZeR> hi there 12:34 #navit: < KaZeR> hi alexhell0xbf 12:35 #navit: < KaZeR> alexhell0xbf: it would be awesome to get more contributors to the project. a couple of folks can get you started. feel free to just ask any question you might have 12:35 #navit: < KaZeR> have you spotted something specific you would like to fix or enhance? 12:37 -!- jandegr [5bb48470@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.180.132.112] has joined #navit 12:39 #navit: < KaZeR> hi jandegr 12:40 #navit: < jandegr> hi kazer 12:42 #navit: < jandegr> is hov working ? 12:45 #navit: < KaZeR> it is! I used it again yesterday. I did not look yet, but i was wondering if the minimum number of persons was available in the tag. 12:46 #navit: < KaZeR> most of the time it's two, but sometimes it's 3. being able to display it if the user requests it could be useful maybe 12:47 #navit: < jandegr> I don't remember seeing that kind of info 12:48 #navit: < KaZeR> okay thanks 12:57 #navit: < jandegr> no luck, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/123741576#map=18/37.83503/-122.29536 12:58 #navit: < jandegr> but you can map it if you want to 12:58 #navit: < jandegr> Useful addition: hov:minimum=* Typical values for this key are '2' (for "2+" lanes), and '3' (for "3+" lanes). 12:58 #navit: < jandegr> and change maptool a little :) 12:58 #navit: < jandegr> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:hov 13:00 #navit: < KaZeR> thanks :) 13:03 -!- jonathanmaw [~jonathanm@82-70-136-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:09 #navit: < jandegr> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/eyu 13:10 #navit: < jandegr> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hov%3Aminimum#values 13:16 -!- jskarvad [~jskarvad@redhat/jskarvad] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:17 #navit: < KaZeR> wow, 600+ entries. i wonder if there's actually a lot of HOV lanes 14:09 -!- robertp [543b02c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.59.2.197] has joined #navit 14:10 #navit: < robertp> Hi 14:15 #navit: < KaZeR> hi robertp 14:15 #navit: < robertp> Hi Kazer 14:15 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-162-9-49.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:15 #navit: < circleci-bot> Canceled: pgrandin's build (#917; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl.po) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/917 14:15 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-162-9-49.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:17 #navit: < robertp> I have an issue with the creating of the audio plugin 14:17 #navit: < KaZeR> ah ? 14:18 #navit: < robertp> Navit crashes here: https://github.com/pohlinkzei/navit/blob/eb201ae5e816f856d47226ea4b5ed9bb6bde7481/navit/xmlconfig.c#L1283 14:19 #navit: < robertp> I commented it out to make it work 14:19 #navit: < KaZeR> i was reading your PR regarding the speed warning and i have two comments. The most annoying one : could we make this configurable via navit.xml ? The trivial one : I wonder if a timeout approach would not make more sense ( even if the result would be the same) 14:20 #navit: < robertp> Configurability would be great, but it was a fast hack i did in a break.... 14:22 #navit: < KaZeR> i understand. the idea itself is good and makes sense. the example you give where the position jumps between the highway and the road next to it explains it all 14:25 #navit: < robertp> I dnt know if counting up or down influences the behaviour at variable overflow if there is some. 14:27 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah i was just being nitpicky about the timeout approach :) 14:27 #navit: < robertp> nitwhat? 14:28 #navit: < robertp> Waha, so many words to say pedantic... :D 14:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-147-207-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:29 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#918; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl.po) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/918 14:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-147-207-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:33 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-197-173-227.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:33 #navit: < circleci-bot> Failed: pgrandin's build (#919; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/919 14:33 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-197-173-227.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:36 #navit: < KaZeR> haha robertp :) 14:47 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> hi, sorry, but Iäm looking to irc not so often. well, could you give my contacts for somebody who can help me start ? 14:48 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-184-73-80-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:48 #navit: < circleci-bot> Canceled: pgrandin's build (#921; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/921 14:48 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-184-73-80-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:48 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-145-28-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 14:48 #navit: < circleci-bot> Canceled: pgrandin's build (#920; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl.po) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/920 14:48 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-145-28-170.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:05 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-145-246-56.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 15:05 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#922; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/pl) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/922 15:05 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-145-246-56.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:14 #navit: < KaZeR> robertp: i merged your PR. 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We want to do more code-reviews and things like that. 18:05 #navit: < KaZeR> also, asking here ( and sometimes waiting a bit) usually works pretty well. Most of us are active serveral days a week 18:07 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-161-116-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:07 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#941; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/941 18:07 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-161-116-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> ok, i will try to keep xchat running. first i will build navit from git, btw which part are most buggy (or need review) ? 18:10 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> currently last stable navit in use. and also some note about gui - my target is arm host without xorg (ilixi i.e. directfb), but first steps will be done on void linux (i'm one of the systemd haters;) ) 18:14 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> and my interest is the following things: 1. routing engine, 2. gui (make it more usable for wide use), 3. network service - some kind of waze but opensource and free (not only as a beer.) ) (i have side projects to do it). i know it might be sounds little bit crazy, but ... who not dream will never reach ideas finished. 18:15 #navit: < KaZeR> there's quite a few area where we would like to improve things. Some of them are tracked in trac : http://trac.navit-project.org 18:15 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> but in the begging of this way i hope to review/fix something in navit 18:15 #navit: < KaZeR> that would be great :) if you want to work on rouging, jandegr and tryagain are working on this quite actively ( they also are knowledgeable about our android port) 18:16 #navit: < KaZeR> gui definitely needs help. You mentionned working for Nokia, iirc. Are you familiar with QT? especially qt5? 18:17 #navit: < KaZeR> regarding network services, i also agree with you. We have a PR open to start gathering ideas on the topic : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/69 18:17 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> ok, but i prefer blackberry (android within the same category as systemd in my small cozy world :)) i can help with blackberry 10 porting, but i'm alone with that :) 18:17 #navit: < KaZeR> initial implementation was with googleplaces, but i tried a few other services sucessfully 18:17 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> well, in nokia my job was about linux kernel 18:18 #navit: < KaZeR> nice. 18:18 #navit: < KaZeR> i'm not using android either :) 18:19 #navit: < KaZeR> if you happen to know a bit about iphones, we have a branch to work on fixing the build : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/tree/iphone 18:19 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> linux kernel development team located in Ruoholahti, Helsinki ... it was very nice , before elop ... 18:19 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> oh, no, iphone isn't an area of my interest. bb10 18:20 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> network services is a good thing - i can help not only with development, but i can provide hosting. 18:21 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> also currently i'm working on small oss library , it might be useful for this purposes. 18:21 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-23-20-119-101.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:21 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#942; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/942 18:21 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-23-20-119-101.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:21 #navit: < KaZeR> awesome 18:22 #navit: < KaZeR> well in short if you have some free time, there's definitely a lot of things to be done :) 18:22 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> https://sourceforge.net/p/libsxmp/wiki/Home/ little bit of information 18:23 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes , right. i cannot promise a lot of time (as i told before it depends on billable job), but sometimes i have a week to do something else 18:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-161-75-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:24 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#943; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/943 18:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-161-75-68.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-18-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:24 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#944; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/944 18:24 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-226-18-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i seen trac already 18:29 #navit: < KaZeR> don't worry about the time. It's the same for everyone here. Opensource is often best effort :) 18:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-146-130-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:29 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#945; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/945 18:29 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-146-130-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:30 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, i know :) 18:30 #navit: < KaZeR> anyway it looks like you have some serious coding skills. that's great. we can definitely use more brains :) 18:31 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i have a few ones ... i'm not a newbie (you can find some info using my old nicknames), if it's interesting i can share something. 18:32 #navit: < KaZeR> our processes are quite lightweight. Pull requests at first, feel free to ask for repo access when you'll feel ready. We don't commit to master, so PR should be against trunk. also, even when having access to the repo, coding in a branch and submitting a PR for peer review is good practice 18:32 #navit: < KaZeR> we try to follow these few guidelines too : http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Programming_guidelines 18:33 #navit: < KaZeR> we've been slacking on quality and tests for some time, so we do have a technical debt on this. But we'll slowly address that :) 18:33 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes. thanks. https://sourceforge.net/projects/mkstring/ - it was more serious ;) ok, from my side of view - my plan looks like the following 18:33 #navit: < KaZeR> mmm interesting 18:34 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> 1. get upstream git navit build 2. find bugs in trac affecting my area of interest, 3. fix it and create requests 18:35 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, but actually project dead. there also a bunch of operating service for this kernel exists (it really works). google - Jari OS 18:36 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> to be honestly - job on this project was billable (not at all, but smth about 60%) 18:36 #navit: < KaZeR> always good to get some money when coding :) 18:37 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> coding is actually not so big part of the development proccess :) firstly you need to learn and understand what you need to code :) 18:37 #navit: < KaZeR> ah, maybe that's why my code is so bad :D 18:38 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-167-106-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:38 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#946; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/946 18:38 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-167-106-202.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:38 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> my code not so good sometimes especially when i need to do smth fast :) 18:39 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-51-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:39 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#947; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/947 18:39 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-51-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:39 #navit: < KaZeR> http://www.ilixi.org/gallery-item/car-compositor/ : interesting, there's a Navit icon on their capture :) 18:39 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, they have navit running 18:40 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> u can see videos with it 18:41 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> few years ago i did the same, but it was not so simple, deployment was a headache 18:41 #navit: < KaZeR> yep i was watching it. that's really interesting. my setup in my car runs Navit only, so i should give it a try 18:41 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes :) 18:43 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-116-211.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #navit 18:43 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#948; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/948 18:43 -!- circleci-bot [~circleci-@ec2-54-237-116-211.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:43 #navit: < KaZeR> you've probably noticed the circleci-bot. I can help you with that if needed. Example : building some tests to build/run navit on ilixi :) 18:44 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> about cars, some time ago i worked for continental on head units for cars ... in germany , i don't understand how they make it works ... 18:45 #navit: < KaZeR> what do you mean? 18:45 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> the proccess, and ... they using systemd on head units !! and there are many problems with that. 18:46 #navit: < KaZeR> oh my god :) 18:46 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> to make a root access on my ubuntu host i was need to wait for IT team smth about 2 weeks (surprise - i made a hack within 2 hrs to get it) 18:48 #navit: < KaZeR> ahah 18:49 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> if you need to do smth you need to get approve from your team manager, to approve team manager request you need to wait an approval from proccess owner and 33 other top managers ... 18:51 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> and if your commit has a bug i will know about it from QA with a lag of 3 month ... 18:51 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> really, it's a big serious company 18:53 #navit: < KaZeR> that's what's great about us, we are a really small team ;) 18:55 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i like small teams, and it's open source. however, job in nokia was very nice, proccesses was quite simple and fast :) 18:59 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> ok, within week i will start. i can be reached by email avdolainen at zoho dot com and by jabber mentioned before. i will try keep xchat running also ;) and ask questions here. 19:04 #navit: < KaZeR> great :) feel free to come back at any time 19:04 #navit: < KaZeR> btw : if you dont' want to keep xchat running, an irc bouncer is quite handy 19:05 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> no, it's not a problem to keep it running, but it running only on one host used as a communicator and portable development host (thinkpad x220) 19:06 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i cannot promise it will always hava an internet access :) 19:07 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> but jabber works on a few hosts and it's more better way to have a stable connection :) 19:19 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> thank you, it was nice to have this conversation :) 19:25 #navit: < KaZeR> anytime :) i can't wait to see your first PR :) 19:27 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> hope it will be soon ;) 19:28 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> also i hope to see stable navit in my pretty olf peugeot 807 :) 19:28 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> old 19:32 #navit: < KaZeR> old cars are great. Easier to play with. 19:32 #navit: < KaZeR> Do you have some hardware to run navit on already? 19:34 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, raspberry pi with 7inch hdmi display and lot of usb devices :) 19:34 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i design my own hardware to communicate with can bus. 19:35 #navit: < KaZeR> interesting. I got this to work using a cheapo bluetooth device in my car, but i'd like to know more 19:35 #navit: < KaZeR> are you using the 7" screen from the raspi foundation? 19:36 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> but ran out of budget to order it (i have a big family and need to have some kind of determined budget). no, samsung display with touchscreen from ebay connected via hdmi 19:36 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> well 19:37 #navit: < KaZeR> ok 19:38 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> cars is quite hard, PSA (peugeot/citroen) use CAN bus, but actually they employ CAN protocol for kwp2000 or older and wierd kline in some cars, it depends ... who knowns 19:38 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i spent many hours in my car with can bus hardware to read something ... 19:40 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> generally you can have a lot of protos incapsulated and many stuff depends on car , not only make, but also model and year 19:40 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah i was lucky in mine, because there's only one bus. so i have access to datas from the engine up to the steering wheel controls 19:41 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> and it's true for vw (vw, skoda, seat, etc ...), PSA (peugeot, citroen) and so on 19:42 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> you're lucky :) PSA has a few physical can buses for different class of subsystems :) like vw made 19:42 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> too much complicated 19:42 #navit: < KaZeR> yep :) 19:43 #navit: < KaZeR> i think that robertp also has some canbus connectivity in his VW, so you might want to chat with him. He's often around 19:43 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> in peugeot 807 i have kwp2000 for engine (because 2.2hdi engine used - it's very good and durable, but old), and some van bus devices for climate control, and kline for body control - mirrors, doors etc ... 19:44 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, it will be interesting, but i haven't vw for now 19:45 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> obdII is not enough as u know ;) 19:45 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> it might works on top of different protos and physical layers 19:49 #navit: < KaZeR> yeah indeed. it also serves a different purpose. 19:50 #navit: < KaZeR> reading a lot of gages using obd-ii probably does not work. but in my car i can read everything in realtime, and i have engine updates ~10x / second 19:53 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, right. but to support different car manufactures is quite hard, nearly impossible without support from them 19:53 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project 19:53 #navit: < Navit> it-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed 19:53 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html 19:54 #navit: < KaZeR> definitely. even the same manufacturer, but different years of production 19:54 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> sorry for my english, it's not a native lang for me. it's like in PSA cars - too many protos (languages) used ;) 19:55 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, PSA now have a contract with conti to produce headunits, before it was magnetti marelli 19:57 #navit: < KaZeR> don't worry about your english it's fine. there's very few nativ english speakers here anyway :) 20:00 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> thanks, in our family language is complicated. english, karelian, little bit of finnish, russian and greek ... :) mix of few european langs :) and i'm always worried about that because i don't know which language is better to learn by my childs (two of them too young yet to speak) 20:02 #navit: < KaZeR> wow that's a lot 20:04 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> btw, about cars, i guess is better to have some kind of middle layer to get information from car, as i did for my hobby project. yes, too much, i need to switch from english to karelian, from karelian to russian and be ready to understand greek lang (i cannot - no no no :) ) 20:07 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> i'm karelian, that's very close to finnish, my wife with greek and ukraine(it's russian lang also) roots. english is my main language used - it's simple and wide used;) 20:08 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> but, 2*beers + (any mentioned language) = easy communication :) 20:10 -!- gatesyp [47407940@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.64.121.64] has joined #navit 20:11 #navit: < gatesyp> hello everyone 20:11 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> well, 03:10 here, i guess i need to finish today soon :) my tz is CET+1 20:11 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> hi 20:11 #navit: < gatesyp> hi alex 20:11 #navit: < gatesyp> i had a few questions 20:11 #navit: < gatesyp> about navit 20:12 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> ok, but afraid i'm not a right person (in case of smth complicated) because i'm just starting in navit project 20:19 #navit: < KaZeR> hi gatesyp 20:19 #navit: < KaZeR> bye alexhell0xbf hope to talk to you again soon 20:21 #navit: < gatesyp> @KazeR i just found navit with my friend 20:22 #navit: < gatesyp> i was wondering if it was still active? i saw there was a rudimentary android app 20:23 #navit: < KaZeR> gatesyp: i'd say it's quite active :) https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/graphs/commit-activity 20:24 #navit: < KaZeR> i would not call the app rudimentary.. rather "app that need some ui/ux enhancements" :) 20:24 #navit: < KaZeR> (but we are working on it) 20:25 #navit: < gatesyp> ah yeah thats what i meant ;) 20:25 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> yes, it will be very soon :) i'm going sleep while it's possible, see you. 20:25 #navit: < gatesyp> good night alex 20:25 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> bye bye all 20:25 #navit: < alexhell0xbf> thanks 20:25 #navit: < gatesyp> so it is still being actively developed? thats good 20:25 #navit: < gatesyp> i am going to begin learning the codebase for it 20:25 #navit: < KaZeR> it is. it is also actively used in the field :) 20:25 #navit: < gatesyp> is there any feature you can name that would be nice to have 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> or would like us to look into building? 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> i am experienced in C 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> hes a bit newer to it but knows some other languages decently 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> including android/java actually 20:26 #navit: < KaZeR> oh wow, that's maybe three new contributors in one day, awesome! 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> its an interesting project! 20:26 #navit: < KaZeR> it definitely is 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> im only sad the core algorithmic part seems well developed 20:26 #navit: < gatesyp> as in route finding 20:27 #navit: < gatesyp> becaus that means i cant help build it 20:27 #navit: < gatesyp> xD 20:27 #navit: < KaZeR> well there's always room for improvments. there has been a few discussions about that 20:27 #navit: < KaZeR> to get you started i'd recommend having a look at http://trac.navit-project.org/ for the hot topics and http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Programming_guidelines 20:29 #navit: < KaZeR> despite the routing engine being functional, there's still a lot of work going on to make it better. Over the last year a huge effort (nicknamed HighFive) was pushed by a few members and it greatly improved the navigation 20:29 #navit: < gatesyp> oh very good. 20:29 #navit: < KaZeR> jandegr for example is working a lot on improving the routing. we do have a few test cases : https://github.com/navit-gps/routing-qa 20:30 #navit: < KaZeR> here's an example of a recent discussion regarding routing : http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1323 20:52 #navit: < gatesyp> thanks for the resources, I'll share them with my friend 20:52 #navit: < gatesyp> i hope to be active contributors as soon as i learn the codebase haha 20:52 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project 20:52 #navit: < Navit> it-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-6603.failed 20:53 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html 21:05 -!- gatesyp [47407940@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.64.121.64] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:43 -!- swiftgeek [~swiftgeek@system8589175140xdeo.mtvk.pl] has joined #navit 21:43 -!- swiftgeek [~swiftgeek@system8589175140xdeo.mtvk.pl] has left #navit ["WeeChat 1.4"] --- Log closed Tue Feb 23 00:00:06 2016