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07:21 #navit: < Jorgos> Hi all! I have one question, there is something i don't understand ;) I'm using navit on my embedded device with Linux. It is Linaro distro with 3.4.61 kernel. I have installed Navit with apt-get install navit. On both it seems like it is 0.5.0 version, but they are different. One supports polish language, and onscreen keyboard, the other not. I don't understand this difference ;)
07:23 #navit: < Jorgos> Sorry, i was rewriting message and forgot most important part: I have two copies of my linux, a bit different set of software installed, but both on the same kernel, and both are Linaro distros ;) but installed navit seems to have different functionality depending of which version it is installed on
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08:38 #navit: < Marc0> Jorgos: are there also any other navit packages installed/available?
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10:25 #navit: < Jorgos> Marc0: What you mean by any other packages? As i said this is only installed version, i didn't put anything more.
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10:53 #navit: < Marc0> Jorgos: what di you get by e.g. "apt-cache search navit"?
10:53 #navit: < Marc0> my list is somewhat longer than just one package
10:54 #navit: < Marc0> Ubuntu has also packages "maptool" or "navit-gui-internal"
10:54 #navit: < Marc0> maybe with Linaro happened sth similar
10:57 #navit: < Jorgos> Marc0: Thanks, i will try it within 2hrs. I have it in my car, and i don't have internet connection there (yet?)
10:57 #navit: < Marc0> np
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12:22 #navit: < Jorgos> Marc0: I've checked it, on both systems i get same result:
12:23 #navit: < Jorgos> http://pastebin.com/uU9NBa0C
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12:39 #navit: < httpdss> hi people! im trying to trace a border between street and blocks but when streets with different levels cross I get something link this: http://postimg.org/image/6nt8f0uol/
12:41 #navit: < httpdss> is there anyway that i can make street_1_city cross street_2_city? its like it doesnt interpret that its a crossing. get my point?
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13:06 #navit: < KaZeR> hi
13:08 #navit: < KaZeR> Jorgos: is you look in the about screen, you should get the navit git revision. this would help understanding what's going on
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13:13 #navit: < KaZeR> hey Jorgos_
13:13 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: I see navit-svn 0.5.0 unknown- in about
13:13 #navit: < Jorgos_> but i tried to remove then reinstall and i see sth like this in console : Unpacking navit (from .../navit_0.5.0~svn4776+dfsg.1-3build1_armhf.deb
13:14 #navit: < Jorgos_> Hi KaZeR!
13:19 #navit: < KaZeR> the unknown part is odd. might be a quite old binary
13:19 #navit: < KaZeR> oh
13:19 #navit: < KaZeR> svn4776 ? you don't want to use that :)
13:20 #navit: < KaZeR> we switched to git around r5900. so this is a really old build
13:21 #navit: < KaZeR> this code is from 2011-09-10
13:21 #navit: < KaZeR> we need to contact the package manager for your distro
13:22 #navit: < KaZeR> Jorgos_: want some help in trying to build from source meanwhile?
13:24 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: Actually i don't have problems with building itself, more with running built application ;) I mean, I built navit, but I can't make it executable...
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13:27 #navit: < KaZeR> ok Jorgos_. can you explain make it executable?
13:28 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: To make it able to run. I had some issues. I will try it again, and let you know. Anyway i was following that: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Linux_development it says only about svn, is it compatibile with git you mention?
13:29 #navit: < KaZeR> it is compatible, we just need to update how to fetch the source. i'll do it.
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13:31 #navit: < Jorgos_> Sure thank you. I will build it again (i did it last time month ago and then switched to install version because it was enough for my purposes) and then I will let you know
13:31 #navit: < KaZeR> ok great
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13:33 #navit: < KaZeR> hey httpdss
13:33 #navit: < KaZeR> i saw your question regarding overlapping streets at differents layers. I'm not sure that there is an easy solution right now, but i'll look into it
13:41 #navit: < KaZeR> Jorgos_: updated the wiki to use git, please let me know if you have any issues
13:42 #navit: < httpdss> Thanks KaZeR !!
13:42 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: I have just finished build process, and application seems to work. I have to put my xml file and make some tests. I will let you know in 10 minutes ;)
13:42 #navit: < KaZeR> great
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13:52 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: It seems to work pretty well, i have onscreen keyboard working, localization is ignored from xml nor command line (export LANG=pl_PL.UTF8 with error locale not supported by C library) and it prefers use  /etc/navit/navit.xml instead of ~/.navit/navit.xml ... So anyway step forward;)
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13:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> so the locale not supported comes from your environment, not navit itself. usually you need to edit /etc/locale.gen, ensure to have pl_PL.UTF8 in it and run locale-gen
13:56 #navit: < Jorgos_> Have to go now. I will try it later today. Thanks for all your help!
13:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> np!
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14:11 #navit: < gernot_> hi
14:14 #navit: < gernot_> Just tested navot on a raspberry 3
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14:27 #navit: < gernot_> route calculation work fast and well. Map drawing on a 1280x1024 screen is ok
14:28 #navit: < gernot_> In cities with many details is a bit slow.
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14:32 #navit: < robertp> hi
14:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi robertp
14:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: thanks! i haven't got my hands on a pi3 yet. i am quite happy with my pi2 actually.
14:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> regarding cities and details : what layout are you using? maybe removing some POIs could help>
14:34 #navit: < robertp> Pi2 runs quite well. But I will test a Pi3 soon, too :D
14:34 #navit: < robertp> Even Pi B+ works well.
14:37 #navit: < robertp> Kazer, i threw some pictures into the wiki
14:38 #navit: < robertp> But I have no clue where to put them....
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14:41 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#973; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/en_GB) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/973
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14:45 #navit: < gernot_> KaZeR: I used the default internal debian settings
14:46 #navit: < gernot_> Yes, the screen is flooded with parking and restaurant signes
14:53 #navit: < robertp> Gernot, you might change the layout to a less verbose OR edit the layout tags inside navit.xml
14:54 #navit: < jandegr> hi folks, don't forget we can toggle poi layers with a command, maybe a solution as well ?
14:54 #navit: < robertp> Here's an example for a cleaned standard layout: https://github.com/pohlinkzei/Pi_MFD_Layout/blob/master/navit.xml#L472
14:55 #navit: < gernot_> robertp: its just a test with the bog screen. i think about 5'' with lower resolution...
14:56 #navit: < robertp> I can recommend a 5" TFT with awesome 320x234px :D
14:56 #navit: < gernot_> I have a reduced layout for my tomtom
14:57 #navit: < gernot_> robertp: is it bright? (tomtom use 480x272)
15:00 #navit: < robertp> It's a joke. Sorry. It's mounted to an oem car navigation system.
15:02 #navit: < robertp> Could someone explain, how the attributes work, which can be acessed through commands? like command="layout=layout.daylayout" ?
15:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: yeah we need to refresh the default layouts. they are useful on desktop, but too clutered on mobile
15:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: regarding https://github.com/pohlinkzei/Pi_MFD_Layout/blob/master/navit.xml#L472 : it would make sense in my opinion to store a few layouts in a distinctive file, and have our CI workflow build various screenshots of how they look like
15:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> this should not be complicated. we can discuss it more if you want to participate
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15:07 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#975; push) in navit-gps/navit (i18n/fr) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/975
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15:07 #navit: < gernot_> KaZeR: A scaling value would be nice. One for names and one for details.
15:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> gernot_: not sure i understand what you mean
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15:08 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#976; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/976
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15:08 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#974; push) in navit-gps/navit (trunk) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/974
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15:08 #navit: < gernot_> textsice=textzice*scale...
15:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah, indeed.
15:09 #navit: < gernot_> deepth=deepth
15:09 #navit: < gernot_> sorry depth=depth+scale
15:10 #navit: < gernot_> so you can resice all names on the map resize with a singele setting
15:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: thanks for the pictures. did you get rid of all the chocolate? :)
15:11 #navit: < robertp> no, the cocolate is on top of the dashboard!
15:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha
15:11 #navit: < gernot_> but zjis is just an idea, I had to edit many lines
15:12 #navit: < gernot_> zjis=this
15:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> here's an example of what we could do to make layouts and osd sharing easier : https://github.com/pgrandin/navit-nuc-layout
15:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> if we package correctly the layouts, we can have circleci build the screenshots automatically, at different zoom levels, etc. The next step would be to have this automatically and easily downloadable via navit
15:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you guys are working on osd layouts or map layouts, this would be a good time to start pushing this. sharing via the wiki as we used to do doesn't work well
15:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> also robertp how do you change the OSD color?
15:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> (when switching from day to nigh)
15:17 #navit: < robertp> I use osd_configuration
15:17 #navit: < robertp> and have a image on the button
15:17 #navit: < robertp> play_wh and play_bk
15:18 #navit: < robertp> for example :D
15:18 #navit: < robertp> so i switch the config
15:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> but your captures show the text from the audio player in different colors too
15:18 #navit: < robertp> for the text fields and the compass i pushed an attribute to osd_core.c
15:19 #navit: < robertp> <!----> 	<osd enabled="yes" type="audio_player" label="playlist" w="226" h="18"  x="50" y="0" font_size="200" 																										background_color="#00000000" text_color="#FFFFFF" osd_configuration="2"/> 	<osd enabled="yes" type="audio_player" label="track" w="226" h="18"  x="50" y="18" font_size="200" 																										background_color="#00000000" text_color="#FFFFFF" osd_configuration="2"/> 	
15:19 #navit: < robertp> and
15:19 #navit: < robertp> <!----> 	<osd enabled="yes" type="audio_player" label="playlist" w="226" h="18"  x="50" y="0" font_size="200" 																										background_color="#00000000"  text_color="#111111" osd_configuration="1"/> 	<osd enabled="yes" type="audio_player" label="track" w="226" h="18"  x="50" y="18" font_size="200" 																										background_color="#00000000"  text_color="#111111" osd_configuration="1"/> 	
15:19 #navit: < robertp> and finally
15:20 #navit: < robertp> <osd enabled="yes" name="ifnight_layout" update_period="1" type="cmd_interface" h="1" w="1" x="-1" y="-1" command='osd_configuration=layout.nightlayout ? 1 : 2' />  <!--	
15:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> perfect thanks
15:20 #navit: < robertp> for painted osd its:<osd enabled="yes" type="compass" font_size="150" x="-60" y="0" w="60" h="80" 																												background_color="#00000000" foreground_color="#FFFFFF" osd_configuration="2"/> 	
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15:21 #navit: < circleci-bot> Success: pgrandin's build (#977; push) in navit-gps/navit (master) -- https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/977
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15:32 #navit: < robertp> kazer: I like the idea of seperate layout files for osd, maplayout and gui. how do you recombine them?
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15:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: <xi:include href="${HOME}/.navit/nuc/nuc_osd.xml"/>
15:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> (ideally we could make it use something like ${NAVIT_SHAREDIR} if the layouts are downloaded via the app
15:47 #navit: < robertp> and <xi:inclu......./> comes anywhere between the navit tags?
15:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah. i like to put it where the included content should actually be. you can also filter a subset of attributes if needed
15:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> this is a standard xml feature, not even directly related to navit
15:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/1009
15:57 #navit: < robertp> thank you
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17:34 #navit: < robertp> Could someone explain, how the attributes work, which can be acessed through commands? like command="layout=layout.daylayout" ?
17:36 #navit: < robertp> And how I can define own attribs to access them from osd command. I.e. to get a status.
17:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> robertp: mmm what do you need to know? it's a broad topic :)
17:49 #navit: < robertp> I want to toggle the osd icon depending if the player is playing or not. therefor i need to define the attribute audio-player.playing or so
17:50 #navit: < robertp> the same thing could work with the repeat&shuffle status
18:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> which brings an interesting question : should we poll the attribute from the osd when refreshing or should we rather push an attribute update (here, the icon) from the code?
18:10 #navit: < robertp> I would beat it with an own osd item: audio_button. But this should be possible more simple. I think giving every plugin its own osd item is not that good.
18:10 #navit: < robertp> i have to go
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18:22 #navit: < Jorgos_> KaZeR: I still have problem with switching language. I have updated with locale-gen, then update-locale, and set LANG variable. It works with this obsolete Navit i have told you today, but it doesn't with this newly compiled... still same message
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20:48 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project
20:48 #navit: < Navit> it-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-6634.failed
20:48 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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