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13:21 #navit: < robertp> hi
13:21 #navit: < CarPCMan> hi
13:23 #navit: < robertp> CarPCMan: Did you try the audio framework with navit?
13:24 #navit: < CarPCMan> Haven't got the time
13:27 #navit: < kazer> hi there
13:28 #navit: < robertp> hi kazer
13:28 #navit: < robertp> did you test the audio merge?
13:28 #navit: < kazer> not yesterday, but will resume today
13:31 #navit: < robertp> the mpd and stub code works like charm, but I cant test the spotify stuff.
13:33 #navit: < CarPCMan> What about radio robertp ?
13:34 #navit: < robertp> German radio broadcasting is rubbish in my opinion, so I dont need it. But I thought about making a DAB(+) plugin for a friend...
13:35 #navit: < CarPCMan> Make it work with DVB-T adapters please :p
13:35 #navit: < robertp> I didnt search too much but I didnt find a decent API.
13:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> Nope
13:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> What do you use in your car robertp ?
13:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> Rasp?
13:39 #navit: < robertp> yes
13:39 #navit: < CarPCMan> The 3?
13:39 #navit: < CarPCMan> What display?
13:40 #navit: < robertp> I think I already explained... some times...
13:40 #navit: < CarPCMan> Write it up in a file then, and copy paste
13:41 #navit: < robertp> I did. https://hackaday.io/project/8128-navit-on-a-vw-oem-navigation-system
13:51 #navit: < CarPCMan> Ahh....
13:51 #navit: < CarPCMan> Would be a hell of a lot easier for me, if I could do that
13:53 #navit: < robertp> what do you use?
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13:54 #navit: < CarPCMan> I've a Peugeot 206, so I need to custom everything
13:56 #navit: < robertp> Doesnt peugeot provide oem navigation systems?
13:56 #navit: < CarPCMan> Not in a 206
13:57 #navit: < CarPCMan> It doesn't even have room for 2din
13:58 #navit: < robertp> You have the display location on top of the dashboard, i think
13:59 #navit: < CarPCMan> Yeah, that's what my custom case does (bought)
13:59 #navit: < robertp> If you'd expand that a bit, a 5" Display should fit
13:59 #navit: < robertp> t
13:59 #navit: < robertp> sorry
13:59 #navit: < robertp> what is printed on the small display?
14:00 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: i have the same problem in my jeep. I have a 1.5din housing
14:01 #navit: < kazer> robertp: so mpd + stub works for you in the audio
14:01 #navit: < kazer> audio_merge branch?
14:01 #navit: < robertp> yes, i am just listening to music through mpd
14:01 #navit: < kazer> from the branch? cool! so we just need to fix the tests in https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/1457
14:01 #navit: < kazer> then merge the spotify code and we'll be done!
14:01 #navit: < robertp> stub doesnt play music
14:02 #navit: < robertp> its just to explain the plugin
14:02 #navit: < CarPCMan> I have this robertp - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CTKPE02-Double-Din-Stereo-Fascia-Stalk-Control-Fitting-Kit-for-Peugeot-206-/351672401570
14:04 #navit: < robertp> CarPCMan I cant imagine how it will look like
14:04 #navit: < robertp> Did you attach it to the car yet?
14:05 #navit: < robertp> Kazer I already went through the spotify player and adjusted as much as i found and in best (impossible) case you just have to test it
14:05 #navit: < CarPCMan> robertp, looks quite nice actually, but I need to attach everything, and get a amplifier, etc.
14:06 #navit: < kazer> robertp: sweet thanks. Oh right i see your 6 commits for spotify. Thanks, going to test it
14:08 #navit: < CarPCMan> Link?
14:09 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/commits/audio_merge ?
14:23 #navit: < robertp> CarPCMan, cant you use a head unit's amplifier? I mean get a HU with AUX-in, attach the audio out to the Pi and a LCD/TFT/Eink-Display to the Pi's HDMI.
14:23 #navit: < CarPCMan> Already have a touch screen, the official pi display
14:23 #navit: < robertp> HU's with CD-Canger Control would do that quite well. It that case you could communicate with the Pi through the HU buttons.
14:56 #navit: < kazer> robertp: looks like we are missing -DUSE_AUDIO_FRAMEWORK=True in the CI, I'll add it
14:57 #navit: < kazer> and probably some libs, for the test :
14:57 #navit: < kazer> Disabled  player-mpd ( mpd not found )
14:57 #navit: < kazer> Disabled  player-spotify ( libspotify found but alsalib is missing )
14:59 #navit: < robertp> kazer, I have #cmakedefine USE_AUDIO_FRAMEWORK 1
15:03 #navit: < kazer> odd. then maybe it was disabled because of the missing libs, i'll double check thanks
15:09 #navit: < robertp> libasound2 is what you need to play the music
15:09 #navit: < robertp> ':D
15:10 #navit: < kazer> indeed, i meant that we need to add it to the test build for circleci to actually test the audio features :)
15:11 #navit: < kazer> spotify does not work right now for example : undefined symbol: snd_pcm_hw_params_any' despite having libasound2-dev libasound2 installed
15:11 #navit: < kazer> the code builds without complaining, but we are missing a detection in CMakelist or something
15:13 #navit: < robertp> sorry, i dont understand...
15:14 #navit: < kazer> my explanation probably sucks :)
15:15 #navit: < kazer> after installing the two packages (and libspotify) cmake is happy : Enabled   player-spotify ( libspotify and alsa found )
15:15 #navit: < robertp> probably.
15:15 #navit: < kazer> the code builds, and ./audio/player-spotify/.libs/libaudio_player-spotify.so is generated
15:16 #navit: < kazer> but if you try to actually use the plugin, it fails : Error '/home/ubuntu/navit/bin/navit/audio/player-spotify/.libs/libaudio_player-spotify.so: undefined symbol: snd_pcm_hw_params_any'
15:16 #navit: < kazer> so, we might be missing a package ( and then, a check for this package in CMakefile) or we might be missing a compilation option
15:17 #navit: < kazer> also, i installed libmpd-dev and mpd, but i still get Disabled  player-mpd ( mpd not found )
15:18 #navit: < robertp> just mpd and mpc
15:18 #navit: < kazer> mpc it was, thanks!
15:18 #navit: < robertp> its no api, its a comamnd line client
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15:20 #navit: < kazer> the mpc plugins loads \o/
15:21 #navit: < kazer> nice!
15:21 #navit: < kazer> (i never doubted you ;) )
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15:26 #navit: < robertp> kazer, did all your translation builds break circleci?
15:29 #navit: < robertp> Kazer, try to add target_link_libraries(player-spotify ${ALSA_LIBRARY}) to CMakeList.txt next to your spotify.c
15:29 #navit: < robertp> Since this is a linker issue.
15:34 #navit: < kazer> robertp: not all, and that's why we try them in branches. It should not break anything outside of the i18n/* branches
15:35 #navit: < CarPCMan> Isn't i18n translations ?
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15:37 #navit: < robertp> Just kidding, CI complains: "Partial System Outage - components affected: GitHub" and my recent pushes dont get ci'ed
15:38 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: yep exactly
15:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> How in the hell do you break i18n?
15:38 #navit: < kazer> robertp: ah, you meant did we ddos circleci with our translations updates :)
15:38 #navit: < robertp> so ci closed the github gates
15:38 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: last comment of https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/183 for an example
15:38 #navit: < robertp> :D
15:39 #navit: < kazer> robertp: actually a year or two ago we were playing with ideas to store binfile map data in git.. And we did impact github, they blocked our account
15:39 #navit: < robertp> HAHA
15:40 #navit: < robertp> thats lots of data...
15:40 #navit: < kazer> yup
15:44 #navit: < CarPCMan> How much data are we talking?
15:46 #navit: < kazer> ~500GB if i'm not mistaken
15:46 #navit: < kazer> (uncompressed)
15:48 #navit: < kazer> the idea was to leverage git tags to build various versions of the maps to ensure backward compatibility with older builds of navit
15:50 #navit: < CarPCMan> Tsshh.. Comeon github, get your game together!
15:50 #navit: < CarPCMan> :p
15:56 #navit: < kazer> aha
15:57 #navit: < robertp> aha?
15:57 #navit: < kazer> missed one key :) "haha"
15:58 #navit: < CarPCMan> NavIt is coded in C, right?
15:58 #navit: < kazer> mostly yeah
15:58 #navit: < CarPCMan> What else?
15:59 #navit: < kazer> a bit of c++, a bit of java (for android for example)
15:59 #navit: < CarPCMan> nvm, can see it on the github
15:59 #navit: < CarPCMan> But the Java is only to like, include the C files, right?
15:59 #navit: < CarPCMan> What is the perl used for?
16:00 #navit: < kazer> java also used to provide some platform specific code, like UI specifics
16:00 #navit: < kazer> we have some perl? :o)
16:00 #navit: < CarPCMan> Right. Any specific reason it's coded mostly in C, and not C++?
16:00 #navit: < robertp> :D
16:00 #navit: < CarPCMan> Github says so
16:00 #navit: < CarPCMan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/search?l=perl
16:01 #navit: < kazer> C was chosen because it's more portable than c++
16:01 #navit: < kazer> i think that we use c++ only for some UI specifics (like QT)
16:02 #navit: < kazer> oh right, there's some perl. Mostly helpers, not really required for navit itself
16:03 #navit: < kazer> we also have some python, for the CI tests for example dbus
16:03 #navit: < CarPCMan> Thinking of picking up a more low level language than Python, PHP, etc..
16:03 #navit: < CarPCMan> And considered picking up C++, what are your thoughts?
16:04 #navit: < kazer> c++ concepts should be quite easy if you are familiar with python and c++, because of OOP
16:04 #navit: < kazer> meant "python and php"
16:04 #navit: < kazer> we're going to need help for the qt5 gui (so c++ and qml) if you want a playground :)
16:04 #navit: < robertp> C isn't low level. Thats whats assembler for.
16:05 #navit: < CarPCMan> Ohh.. C is pr. definition a medium level language, where Python is a high level
16:05 #navit: < CarPCMan> I meant low level compared to Python, sorry for that
16:05 #navit: < kazer> robertp: well he said "lower level" not "lowest level" :)
16:06 #navit: < CarPCMan> Lowest level, just going to play with some sand making capacitors
16:06 #navit: < robertp> Ok, I started with assembler, so for me everything other is high level
16:06 #navit: < kazer> haha
16:06 #navit: < CarPCMan> Would love to learn assembly for reverse engineering
16:07 #navit: < robertp> Just get a code reference (nah, register reference) and some time... maybe some more. :D
16:09 #navit: < CarPCMan> robertp, and some small programs to try with.... I learn by example, eg. learned reverse engineering of Android Applications by fucking applications up :p
16:09 #navit: < CarPCMan> I like to reverse eg. banking apps and replicate them in Python
16:11 #navit: < kazer> that's exactly how navit stared. cp15 reverse engineered proprieraty map files
16:12 #navit: < CarPCMan> cp15?
16:12 #navit: < kazer> *started. damn what's wrong with my fingers today
16:12 #navit: < kazer> cp15 has been inactive for some time, but he used to be the main contributor of the project
16:13 #navit: < robertp> http://picpaste.de/rpiinterface2-XGtcKtBA.jpg
16:13 #navit: < CarPCMan> reverse engineering is cool! Finding out how things work together, is the best thing
16:13 #navit: < CarPCMan> If robertp is German, then what are you kazer ?
16:14 #navit: < robertp> http://picpaste.de/rpiinterface2_-XUQfqogd.jpg
16:14 #navit: < kazer> oh boy robertp you need a new camera :o)
16:15 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: i'm French
16:15 #navit: < kazer> we actually have a bunch of Germans in our contributors
16:15 #navit: < robertp> No, I need more patience. I dont wait until the camera focused
16:15 #navit: < kazer> haha
16:15 #navit: < kazer> too bad, cause i'd love to publish a better looking picture of your board
16:15 #navit: < kazer> on social media
16:16 #navit: < robertp> oh no!
16:16 #navit: < kazer> why? it's really badass
16:16 #navit: < robertp> not until its not fully tested
16:16 #navit: < CarPCMan> kazer, I've been to paris once, not a success
16:16 #navit: < kazer> robertp: eh, it's just a picture. We can say "work in progress". Or "beta"
16:16 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: ha?
16:16 #navit: < kazer> you're from UK right?
16:19 #navit: < CarPCMan> kazer, me? No DK
16:19 #navit: < kazer> oh ok
16:20 #navit: < CarPCMan> Why did you think I came from the UK?
16:21 #navit: < kazer> cause you pasted a link to ebay.co.uk earlier :)
16:22 #navit: < CarPCMan> Ohh, find me an ebay.dk, that isn't dba.dk, I would but there. I don't buy at .de, because, yeah.. My german sucks
16:23 #navit: < kazer> we were talking about screens and bezels earlier. I'm currently printing a new test version for my car : https://imgur.com/a/dk108
16:24 #navit: < robertp> Kazer: I did all i could: http://picpaste.de/rpiinterface2-Us7bXp8e.jpg
16:24 #navit: < kazer> robertp: that's perfect. Permission to broadcast?
16:24 #navit: < kazer> do you have a link that we could add to the post?
16:25 #navit: < kazer> your hackaday page maybe?
16:25 #navit: < robertp> http://picpaste.de/rpiinterface2__-nILs5jUD.jpg
16:25 #navit: < robertp> yes. The hackaday thing.
16:25 #navit: < kazer> great
16:27 #navit: < robertp> kazer, what about spotify? No I am not impatient, but waiting.
16:27 #navit: < kazer> robertp: i was diffing with my repo to find the linkage issue
16:28 #navit: < kazer> i think i should be able to fix it today
16:28 #navit: < robertp> you dont link the alsa_libs to your spotify.so
16:29 #navit: < robertp> but cmake knows the libs as ${ALSA_LIBRARIES}
16:29 #navit: < robertp> If you link them, you do not need the -lasound
16:29 #navit: < kazer> yes this one if fixed, but now i have a similar issue with sp_session
16:29 #navit: < kazer> mmm
16:30 #navit: < robertp> same thing with spotify
16:30 #navit: < CarPCMan> How in the hell is Spotify going to work?
16:31 #navit: < robertp> kazer, just link to ${LIBSPOTIFY_LIBRARIES}
16:41 #navit: < robertp> have to go.
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17:09 #navit: < kazer> CarPCMan: what do you mean?
17:10 #navit: < CarPCMan> Spotify in Navit?
17:10 #navit: < CarPCMan> Doesn't that require internet?
17:11 #navit: < kazer> kinda. You can cache the music locally also (e.g: when you are near you home, via wifi). Or you can use a mobile hotspot (i use my phone)
17:11 #navit: < CarPCMan> Well, so it will allow to save playlist to offline?
17:12 #navit: < CarPCMan> So when you get near a WiFi hotspot, eg. home, it syncs?
17:12 #navit: < kazer> currently, to keep the UI simple, it automatically caches the playlists that you start playing
17:13 #navit: < CarPCMan> So it doesn't save the whole playlist?
17:13 #navit: < kazer> it saves a full playlist as soon as you start playing it
17:13 #navit: < kazer> adding a offline/online toggle button is easy, we had it in a previous version
17:13 #navit: < CarPCMan> But not like in the "save offline", but as in just cache it
17:13 #navit: < CarPCMan> fair enough
17:14 #navit: < kazer> what's the difference between save offline and cache ?
17:14 #navit: < CarPCMan> If that feature comes, and Spotify works correctly, then I'll fucking kiss you :p
17:14 #navit: < CarPCMan> Well!
17:14 #navit: < CarPCMan> When I think cache, I think as in /tmp
17:14 #navit: < CarPCMan> It clears after some time
17:14 #navit: < kazer> haha wet your lips cause i've been using it in my car for over a year :)
17:15 #navit: < CarPCMan> Damn it! :p
17:15 #navit: < CarPCMan> My biggest problem...
17:15 #navit: < CarPCMan> Looking to sell my car, and before I can get it to work, I need to get a car amplifier
17:15 #navit: < kazer> well those things are getting cheaper, no?
17:16 #navit: < CarPCMan> Well; I could get one OK one for 1.200,- DKK
17:16 #navit: < CarPCMan> 161 euro
17:16 #navit: < kazer> wow that's expensive
17:17 #navit: < CarPCMan> Yeeaaah... But I've already spat like.. 540 euro into the project
17:17 #navit: < CarPCMan> And that's where my account ran empty :p
17:19 #navit: < kazer> i know how it feels :)
17:19 #navit: < kazer> https://www.amazon.com/Desert-S900-4-4-Channel-Multichannel-Amplifier/dp/B00VPYTOS4/ that's no pioneer, but it looks decent
17:19 #navit: < CarPCMan> But I've got money now! But, in the mean time, It's now time to say bye bye to my car
17:19 #navit: < kazer> do you know what car you want next?
17:20 #navit: < CarPCMan> Amazon.com, going to get taken in the toll :( Fucking Denmark... - Yeah, a smaller one
17:20 #navit: < CarPCMan> This one is too expensive to own for a student in DK
17:20 #navit: < CarPCMan> Properly a small C1 next :(
17:21 #navit: < kazer> hey, looks like you like French cars :)
17:21 #navit: < CarPCMan> They're the cheapest ;)
17:21 #navit: < CarPCMan> I would rather have a Toyota Aygo or something like that, but it costs more :(
17:23 #navit: < CarPCMan> What car was yours kazer ? If I already asked, sorry
17:24 #navit: < kazer> currently i have a Jeep Grand Cherokee
17:24 #navit: < kazer> plenty of space to put hardware inside :)
17:24 #navit: < kazer> but i'm working on a smaller version of my carputer, trying to fit everything in the 1.5din unit
17:25 #navit: < CarPCMan> Going to be fun, and fit it into a fucking C1... :p - You have access to a 3d printer, right?
17:26 #navit: < kazer> yep
17:26 #navit: < CarPCMan> Bastard!
17:29 #navit: < kazer> haha
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17:30 #navit: < CarPCMan> But I'm guessing you have a "real" job, and earn quite some money
17:32 #navit: < kazer> currently printing this : https://github.com/pgrandin/carputer-parts/blob/master/body.STL to work on the new design with the Pi
17:32 #navit: < kazer> yeah indeed. I just bought one but before i was using the ones from a local hackerspace. Nothing like that were you live?
17:33 #navit: < CarPCMan> Nice viewer that Github has setup! - Nope, not as far as I know
17:34 #navit: < CarPCMan> Ohh, there is
17:34 #navit: < CarPCMan> Never heard of it
17:37 #navit: < kazer> have a link of one that's close?
17:38 #navit: < kazer> yeah the STL viewer is really nice
17:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> Found one at hackerspaces.com I think
17:38 #navit: < CarPCMan> Is like 20 kms away
17:38 #navit: < kazer> do they have 3d printers?
17:43 #navit: < CarPCMan> kazer, sent a PM, couldn't really find It, so I guess not :/
17:48 #navit: < kazer> bp
17:48 #navit: < kazer> ok. good luck :)
17:49 #navit: < kazer> is this for an ongoing project? sometimes you can get printing services too. Although it's not really cheap
18:03 #navit: < kazer> hey, spotify is almost working in the merged branch \o/
18:04 #navit: < CarPCMan> kazer, wouldn't really know what to print for my car. Would just be nice to have one :) - Sweeet! :D
18:04 #navit: < CarPCMan> I'm really considering just mashing the tech I have right now together, and throwing it in my car
18:05 #navit: < CarPCMan> Just to see it work
18:11 #navit: < kazer> always a first good step :)
18:18 #navit: < CarPCMan> Yeah, but it isn't easy to get the screen to sit correct..
18:20 #navit: < kazer> do you have pictures of your current setup?
18:20 #navit: < CarPCMan> It's just a standard Peugeot 206 dashboard :(
18:21 #navit: < kazer> ah, you don't have the bezel kit yet?
18:21 #navit: < CarPCMan> Looks like this - http://mincore.co.uk/L/c1.JPG
18:21 #navit: < CarPCMan> I have it, but I've only relocated the hazard lights
18:22 #navit: < CarPCMan> But it takes like 30 secounds to setup the rest, So I just need the time, to attach the screen to the case I bought from Peugeot
18:23 #navit: < kazer> 30s! that's easy :)
18:24 #navit: < CarPCMan> Yeah, but just to install the plastic :p I need to install the screen into a case, that needs to fit inside the plastic case...
18:24 #navit: < CarPCMan> And hook up power etc.
18:24 #navit: < CarPCMan> But I have to go now sorry!
18:25 #navit: < CarPCMan> Been a pleasure! :)
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19:52 #navit: < Navit> /svn/navit-svn-7118.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-7118.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/iphone/svn/navit-svn-7118.failed
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