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00:51 #navit: < jkoan> @kazer for me on ubuntu it was "libcurl4-gnutls-dev" and it worked
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01:39 #navit: < Jkoan> @kazer I think you are the right person to this issue. The ssl on forum is outdated, so one idea is to update ssl cert or another is to think about if we need the forum
01:40 #navit: < Jkoan> Another idea is maybe a newsletter? That could bring marketing push (no I don't mean mailing list)
01:41 #navit: < Jkoan> Hopefully today my Internet connection stays stable
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01:43 #navit: < Jkoan> Probably I need to set up a bouncer...
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07:06 #navit: < zintor> hi @all
07:06 #navit: < zintor> download works now
07:06 #navit: < zintor> libcurl-*dev* was missing
07:06 #navit: < zintor> libcurl was there
07:07 #navit: < zintor> for me it is a difference. with or without "dev"...
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08:27 #navit: < zin_afk> hi jkoan
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08:30 #navit: < zintor> du hast ja usability angsprochen, die verbessert werden könnte
08:30 #navit: < zintor> hier könnte man es aufnehmen http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Usability
08:31 #navit: < zintor> eine seite, die auch interessant ist: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Development
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11:14 #navit: < jkoan> hi all :)
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13:02 #navit: < KaZeR> hi there
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13:04 #navit: < jandegr> hi kazer
13:04 #navit: < jandegr> do you use speech cmdline ?
13:09 #navit: < jandegr> looks like sailfish uses cmdline as well
13:09 #navit: < jandegr> and I have been looking a little into it because zintor complained about announcer_toggle not workng
13:14 #navit: < jandegr> might be worth trying to add an attr "active" in xml to speech cmdline
13:14 #navit: < jandegr> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/navit.c#L1865 and lower
13:16 #navit: < KaZeR> hi jandegr
13:16 #navit: < KaZeR> i do use cmdline in the car indeed. I'll double check it announcer_toggle works with my usual setup
13:17 #navit: < KaZeR> i need your feedback and help on a few things jandegr, starting with : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/tree/curl_download
13:18 #navit: < KaZeR> 1) i found a way to make the internal gui self refresh (this was a limitation with previous UI ideas). Using the same technique as we do for the route description allows for a better UI
13:19 #navit: < KaZeR> 2) i'd like to test if we could use a similar approach for android and get rid of the android-specific map download. solution a) using libcurl in android, solution b) implementing a file download in network.c specific for android
13:19 #navit: < jandegr> I suppose you will get it ok in linux, won't use it in android, but what with iOS ? ditched forever ?
13:19 #navit: < KaZeR> you're burning steps :)
13:19 #navit: < jandegr> oh ?
13:20 #navit: < KaZeR> yes : whatever approach we use for android, we can replicate for ios. Like, having a ios-specific download implementation in network.c
13:20 #navit: < KaZeR> and that's why i need your help, to find which approach is the best for android
13:31 #navit: < jandegr> gui internal is to be avoided in android whenever possible because of orientation issue, so I would stick with the existing downloader in android
13:32 #navit: < jandegr> btw, is your linux solution withstanding it on linux ?
13:33 #navit: < jandegr> same issue on linux as in android, but when resizing the window on linux, orientation change is rare on linux I suppose
13:33 #navit: < KaZeR> jandegr: what do you mean with orientation issue? switch between landscape and portrait? or something else?
13:34 #navit: < jandegr> yes, switch between landscape and portrait on handhelds, you can replicate it on linux if you run navit on a desktop in a window
13:34 #navit: < jandegr> and resize the window
13:34 #navit: < KaZeR> i don't think that it's wise to have different downloaders. It makes sense to have different network implementation, but the current downloader is completely isolated. Also it uses a static map list which is bad as we need to release an update to be able to alter the list of maps
13:34 #navit: < jandegr> aborts the current action and takes you up one level or so
13:35 #navit: < KaZeR> oh right i remember about this issue. Maybe we can fix it
13:35 #navit: < jandegr> gui/qml survives that
13:35 #navit: < KaZeR> gui/qml2 is my dream UI for this year
13:36 #navit: < jandegr> ** fixed a bug in qt5 today :)
13:36 #navit: < jandegr> now working ok with gui/qml
13:36 #navit: < KaZeR> perfect timing, i'm in touch with metalstrolch regarding the qt5 graphics, he will probably come on irc this week to help mainstream his changes
13:36 #navit: < jandegr> small issue with gui internal, but not qt's fault
13:37 #navit: < jandegr> I can deliver you a zip with my stuff
13:37 #navit: < KaZeR> sure. but why not github?
13:37 #navit: < jandegr> too dirty, will ruin my reputation
13:39 #navit: < jandegr> qt5 is more or less ok, but qml is quite a bit of a hack to bump it from qt4 to qt5
13:40 #navit: < KaZeR> haha
13:40 #navit: < KaZeR> ok i'll do the push and will steal all the credit for your work!
13:40 #navit: < KaZeR> (and take the blame for the dirty code)
13:41 #navit: < jandegr> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93775123/Navit/qt5.tar.gz
13:43 #navit: < KaZeR> ok got it thanks
13:43 #navit: < jandegr> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93775123/Navit/qml.tar.gz
13:43 #navit: < jandegr> I am not really motivated to proceed with it so if it serves you smth, the better
13:43 #navit: < KaZeR> i do appreciate the help
13:44 #navit: < KaZeR> would you be more motivated to help on the global coastline layer as we discussed in the past?
13:44 #navit: < KaZeR> with unified map download around the corner, the timing seems right to me
13:45 #navit: < jandegr> the short story of graphics is I took the code of metalstrolch's branch and tweaked it a bit for desktops, hoping we could do with one version for linux and sailfish instead of several versions
13:46 #navit: < KaZeR> yes, one version would be definitely better
13:48 #navit: < jandegr> give a shout when you have QML running :)
13:49 #navit: < KaZeR> yep will do. meanwhile, wanna discuss this map split thing?
13:49 #navit: < jandegr> brb
13:55 #navit: < jandegr> you do have a big whishlist today :)
14:09 #navit: < jandegr> AFAIK it would be a good idea to test tryagain's branch after you have QML running that is .
14:09 #navit: < jandegr> New maptool option -F allows to specify a reFerence map file to which tiles of the new map file would be compared. Tiles which have the same contents as in the previous map version, would also have timestamps inherited from the old map file.
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14:29 #navit: < zintor> hi @all
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15:22 #navit: < KaZeR> hi zintor
15:22 #navit: < zintor> hi KaZeR
15:22 #navit: < zintor> did you read it: mapdownloader works
15:23 #navit: < zintor> "dev" was missing from installing libcurl...
15:23 #navit: < zintor> for me: libcurl != libcurl-dev ;)
15:23 #navit: < KaZeR> ah yeah correct, ubuntu/debian naming :)
15:31 #navit: < zintor> is there anywhere explained which icons are used where in navit?
15:31 #navit: < zintor> for example: icons named starting with gui are used in the main menu
15:34 #navit: < zintor> or any other icon related terms?
15:35 #navit: < zintor> because for my personal view of point: icons seems to be mixed up
15:38 #navit: < KaZeR> oh they are totally mixed up
15:38 #navit: < KaZeR> and it's a mess :)
15:38 #navit: < KaZeR> gui_* icons are mostly used in gui_internal
15:38 #navit: < KaZeR> we should probably revisit that, and maybe you can help :)
15:39 #navit: < zintor> that's why I ask ;)
15:39 #navit: < KaZeR> cool :)
15:40 #navit: < KaZeR> one approach would be to create a branch and reorganize them there. This will require some slight changes in the code too to update the path
15:40 #navit: < KaZeR> then tests, a few screenshots, a pull request and BAM done
15:41 #navit: < zintor> icons are used in: osd, gui, layout
15:41 #navit: < KaZeR> so pretty much everywhere :)
15:42 #navit: < zintor> could the icons be categorized?
15:42 #navit: < KaZeR> would be nice also to organize them in a theme : current one would be default, but then we could have a 'flat' theme with the icons you shared last week
15:42 #navit: < KaZeR> what kind of categories?
15:42 #navit: < zintor> where the icons are used
15:42 #navit: < KaZeR> yes definitely
15:43 #navit: < zintor> make it maybe easier for theming
15:43 #navit: < KaZeR> oh it will for sure
15:43 #navit: < KaZeR> countries also will probably require their own category
15:43 #navit: < zintor> agreed
15:45 #navit: < zintor> I would like to start a wiki page with that
15:46 #navit: < KaZeR> sure
15:51 #navit: < zintor> "Images" are ok for wiki page?
15:52 #navit: < zintor> I meant the name "Images" for the wiki page
15:56 #navit: < KaZeR> maybe we should do that in a Themeing page instead? so that the scope is a bit broader?
15:57 #navit: < zintor> good idea
15:57 #navit: < zintor> sry. I have to go.
15:57 #navit: < zintor> gn8 all
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