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06:57 #navit: < jkoan_> test
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11:07 #navit: < jkoan_> Test2
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12:45 #navit: < kazer> hi there
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13:17 #navit: < jkoan> Hi kazer
13:20 #navit: < jkoan> And what's going on?
13:27 #navit: < jkoan> @kazer at weekend I will work on the wiki ;) any wishes?
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13:39 #navit: < gernot__> hi
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13:40 #navit: < jkoan> Hi gernot__
13:40 #navit: < kazer> hi gernot__ and jkoan
13:41 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: migration of wiki is almost ready. Just need to figure out an issue between the wiki and the DB, but every thing else is ready (including new ssl certs ;) )
13:42 #navit: < jkoan> Really nice :)
13:42 #navit: < jkoan> What's the issue? :/
13:42 #navit: < gernot__> verry good
13:49 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: https://wiki4.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page
13:52 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer if you connect over cli and run the query, what happens?
13:52 #navit: < kazer> it works
13:53 #navit: < kazer> oh actually no
13:53 #navit: < jkoan> Nice :D
13:54 #navit: < jkoan> If it would work my thought would be that the configuration is wrong
13:54 #navit: < jkoan> But so I thing it's a database problem
13:55 #navit: < jkoan> Did the database tables and views changed dramatically between the two versions?
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14:00 #navit: < jkoan> Bye gernot__ :D
14:01 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer searching for an solution?
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14:07 #navit: < jkoan> Welcome back gernot__ :)
14:07 #navit: < gernot__> jkoan: :-)
14:12 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: not really searching right now, need to take care of something else first :)
14:12 #navit: < jkoan> Could I help? :D
14:12 #navit: < kazer> part of the problem might be that i really suck at postgres, i am more used to mysql
14:13 #navit: < jkoan> Me 2 :D
14:13 #navit: < kazer> we probably lost something in the migration indeed. I did a pg_dumpall from 9.1 and reimported it in 9.6
14:14 #navit: < jkoan> Another thing, any wishes for Wiki expect the howto?
14:14 #navit: < jkoan> This shoulds bad :/
14:15 #navit: < jkoan> *sounds
14:15 #navit: < kazer> i got the idea :)
14:15 #navit: < jkoan> Nice
14:16 #navit: < kazer> i think that we really need a basic, easy guide for first time users
14:16 #navit: < gernot__> short away...
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14:17 #navit: < kazer> hopefully soon we'll have a first run wizard that will make it easier
14:17 #navit: < kazer> including map download
14:17 #navit: < jkoan> Nice!
14:19 #navit: < jkoan> I will try to make an easy howto as an easy tutorial for people who don't understand technic very well
14:20 #navit: < kazer> perfect. If you want to help on the UI/UX design, that'd be nice too. This is mostly about figuring out what makes sense and how to organize things
14:21 #navit: < jkoan> Probably we should look at the big Brothers? The US of TomTom Garmin and so on?
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14:22 #navit: < kazer> yes there's definitely some good ideas there. One of our most confusing thing currently is probably the search that is hidden in the 'action' menu.
14:22 #navit: < kazer> we did start a brainstorm some time ago : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit-gui-qt5/blob/master/ideas_from_couka.txt
14:23 #navit: < kazer> we could revisit and expand
14:26 #navit: < jkoan> On my raspberry pi device I found an solution to get poi on main menu with the current position as parameter
14:27 #navit: < kazer> so the real challenge when working on UI/UX is to forget about what we have and think about what would make the more sense :)
14:29 #navit: < jkoan> Probably I should grab the 2 old devices I have (I told you, TomTom one and navigon)
14:30 #navit: < kazer> yep this could definitely help
14:30 #navit: < kazer> i can probably build something to easily test menus and map layouts via the ci and generate screenshots. We could use that for the docs, and soon to download 'themes' directly from navit
14:30 #navit: < gernot_> I dont like the tomtom scheme
14:31 #navit: < jkoan> @gernot__ but the menu structur is good ;)
14:31 #navit: < jkoan> the part of download themes would be grate
14:32 #navit: < gernot_> there are some things in "settings" which are used often.
14:32 #navit: < jkoan> but probably we need to split up navit.xml with a "navit.d/"
14:33 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: splitting the config is easy, with xi:include too
14:33 #navit: < jkoan> i will thing about an new menu structur and show my ideas later
14:33 #navit: < jkoan> but config split is no default
14:34 #navit: < gernot_> in my old  becker i like the "list function"
14:35 #navit: < gernot_> Each entry like bookmark has left a function icon.
14:36 #navit: < gernot_> Touching the listentry set the target position, the icon open a context menu
14:37 #navit: < kazer> that should be easy to do
14:37 #navit: < kazer> actually we had something similar in the googleplaces plugin
14:38 #navit: < gernot_> This can also used for town-streeet-housenumber.
14:38 #navit: < jkoan> Therefor the theme gallery with auto download would grate ;) probably also with upload directly from navit or at least an option to upload custom themes
14:39 #navit: < kazer> i think that it would be better to submit themes via github so that we can check for consistency, etc. Like, avoiding hardcoded path
14:43 #navit: < gernot_> apropos hard coded path...Just a idea i had some time ago... speech output via cmdline need somtime manual edit.
14:43 #navit: < jkoan> but with a downloader in navit?
14:44 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: yes definitely a downloader in navit. We can probably even display a screenshot before so you can get an idea of what to expect
14:44 #navit: < kazer> gernot_: ha, do you have more details?
14:44 #navit: < kazer> so my current idea is to focus on map download and first run wizard, and release 0.6.0
14:44 #navit: < gernot_> It wourld be niche to have some additional codes like $s e.g. $l for the 2 digit laguagne $v for volume
14:44 #navit: < kazer> then focus on UI/UX, including theme download and less xml editing (so more settings in-app) for 0.7.0
14:46 #navit: < jkoan> what about mainly *no* edit in navit.xml?
14:46 #navit: < gernot_> then espeak -v %l  avoies much user edit
14:46 #navit: < gernot_> avoies=avoid
14:49 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: yep that's kind of the goal
14:50 #navit: < jkoan> teally good
14:51 #navit: < jkoan> *really
14:58 #navit: < gernot_> I think under  1.6.1.1 Map  should  be a subfunction to set a Font zoom and a linewith zoom. The used displays are so different.
14:59 #navit: < kazer> have to go afk, but i really want to finish this discussion :)
15:01 #navit: < jkoan> i now have an bouncer so i will see everythin (every time ;) )
15:01 #navit: < gernot_> ky
15:02 #navit: < jkoan> ??
15:02 #navit: < gernot_> ??
15:02 #navit: < jkoan> ky?
15:02 #navit: < jkoan> what
15:02 #navit: < gernot_> kazer: by
15:02 #navit: < kazer> gn
15:03 #navit: < kazer> = (gernot talk to you soon) ;)
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