--- Log opened Fri Feb 03 00:00:37 2017
00:37 #navit: < jkoan> Hm I don't know if it would also be a good thing to let the users setup there own themes with an easy editor
00:38 #navit: < jkoan> And if we would have that, we of cause could use it too
00:38 #navit: < jkoan> It would be at least a little bit more user friendly
00:39 #navit: < jkoan> (I think)
00:39 #navit: < jkoan> But @all other could provide their ideas about that also
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05:56 #navit: < jkoan> kezer probably som idea to get donations. We could send persons who spend mox than XXX€ and navit device (probably an old tomtom -> cheap to buy) and if we would get it working woth a full linux this would be really nice
05:56 #navit: < jkoan> *kazer
08:40 #navit: < jkoan> Another Idee would be crowd funding and as goals devices running navit
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12:12 #navit: < gernot_> first I'm not sure that gift for money hits the target
12:13 #navit: < jkoan> first hi :D
12:13 #navit: < gernot_> Second navit on TT is a freak thing ;-)
12:13 #navit: < gernot_> hi
12:14 #navit: < gernot_> I like my opentom navit device, but it has hard kimitations.
12:14 #navit: < gernot_> kim..=lim
12:14 #navit: < jkoan> i could test on tomtom one probably next week on Sunday i will grab it ;)
12:15 #navit: < gernot_> try my opentom navit on github  with launcher
12:15 #navit: < jkoan> i mendt i will grab it Sunday. So that i can try at next week :X
12:15 #navit: < jkoan> link?
12:16 #navit: < gernot_> The problem ist the slow small SD-Card and the RAM.
12:16 #navit: < jkoan> is it not posilbe to change the sd card?
12:17 #navit: < jkoan> but a could agree that ram will be an problem :D
12:18 #navit: < jkoan> but my idea was more for nostalgia and friends of navit ;) not for real use. but of couse usable
12:18 #navit: < gernot_> https://github.com/gefin/opentom then checkout navit
12:18 #navit: < jkoan> thx
12:19 #navit: < jkoan> i will try when i have it here
12:19 #navit: < gernot_> TT XL use maximal a 2GB card, the Germany map.bin is~2GB big
12:20 #navit: < gernot_> Which TT use you ?
12:21 #navit: < jkoan> i think i get an tomtom one, more i could write on sunday :D its the old device from my parents
12:22 #navit: < gernot_> Backup your device before testing. TT one has a weak design. If you remove the SDcard by accident all writes go onto the internal flash
12:23 #navit: < jkoan> are we abel to fix soft bricks on tomtom?
12:24 #navit: < gernot_> create a 100M swap partition /dev/sdx2 on SD card. TT one has only 32 M ram. Navit crash if you route or search in big Cities
12:25 #navit: < jkoan> thx for all tips
12:25 #navit: < gernot_> This dont brick TT buddestroy the map. TT allways boot as USB storage
12:25 #navit: < gernot_> buddestroy= but destroy
12:26 #navit: < jkoan> so without the sd card the device could never boot?
12:26 #navit: < gernot_> I use only bayern.bin as map (400M) to have room to play
12:27 #navit: < jkoan> ah ein deutscher ;)
12:27 #navit: < gernot_> Ask if you have the device. Ja
12:27 #navit: < jkoan> yes i will do, also if i have bigger problems ;)
12:28 #navit: < jkoan> a also will grep a navigon device :D
12:28 #navit: < jkoan> right now we have no version for navigon ?
12:30 #navit: < gernot_> I dont know about navigon
12:30 #navit: < jkoan> at wiki we have nothing so probably not
12:31 #navit: < jkoan> but i will look at it :D
12:35 #navit: < gernot_> If you have build problems i can make a compressed card image
12:35 #navit: < jkoan> if it is the same device :D
12:36 #navit: < jkoan> but i will come back to you if i have the device here
12:37 #navit: < gernot_> Ok
12:44 #navit: < gernot_> http://gernotfink.de/ot4.jpg
12:44 #navit: < gernot_> yust a sample
12:45 #navit: < jkoan> nice (Y)
12:45 #navit: < jkoan> already on wiki? ^^
12:45 #navit: < gernot_> http://gernotfink.de/ot3.jpg
12:46 #navit: < gernot_> I sent it to kazer
12:47 #navit: < gernot_> also 2 in car fotos
12:47 #navit: < jkoan> okay :D
12:47 #navit: < jkoan> i currenty work on "how to setup navit" as something like a getting started
12:48 #navit: < jkoan> my question would be which devices/plattforms we support...
12:49 #navit: < jkoan> linux, windows. android, ios(?), macOS, tomtom
12:49 #navit: < jkoan> i mean real "support" and not only "we have tested to port it"
12:50 #navit: < gernot_> wince is also supported.
12:51 #navit: < gernot_> maemo
12:52 #navit: < gernot_> http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html this is a list with the last revision build status
12:53 #navit: < jkoan> and most of them are failed :(
12:54 #navit: < gernot_> This is only a environmant problem. For TT I can say it work
12:55 #navit: < gernot_> Just check why it fail
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12:56 #navit: < jkoan> for win32 for example it is a real make error ;)
12:57 #navit: < jkoan> for tomtom also :X
12:57 #navit: < jkoan> error: size of array `s' is negative
12:58 #navit: < gernot_> building maptool for TT makes no sense. So the build script is the Problem.
12:58 #navit: < jkoan> oh okay :D
12:59 #navit: < jkoan> then i havent said something
13:00 #navit: < gernot_> I have to go...
13:00 #navit: < gernot_> by
13:00 #navit: < jkoan> by
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13:27 #navit: < kazer> hi there
13:27 #navit: < jkoan> hi :D
13:28 #navit: < jkoan> whats up ? :)
13:30 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: yeah for crowdfunding! that's why we need to reach the 100 stars on github, to be able to start :)
13:31 #navit: < jkoan> working on this: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/How_to_Setup_Navit
13:32 #navit: < jkoan> see the progress?
13:32 #navit: < kazer> ha, i like the idea. The difficulty indicator is a good idea
13:33 #navit: < jkoan> thy 0=)
13:33 #navit: < jkoan> *tax
13:33 #navit: < jkoan> **thx
13:33 #navit: < jkoan> :D
13:34 #navit: < jkoan> should users perfer google play or f-Droid?
13:35 #navit: < kazer> ideally, it's up to them. Currently we have more control over the google play broadcast (we do the publishing ourselves). F-droid is a bit more complicated, but we can probably fix it
13:36 #navit: < jkoan> so the versions on google play are more up to date?
13:37 #navit: < kazer> currently yes
13:37 #navit: < jkoan> okay
13:37 #navit: < kazer> for playstore, we publish a signed apk that we build and sign ourself. for f-droid, we have to submit an update request, then they do the build
13:38 #navit: < jkoan> i know :D because i use f-droid
13:38 #navit: < jkoan> but play also :D
13:39 #navit: < jkoan> but where i can i grap apps over f-droid
13:40 #navit: < jkoan> kazer later it will com a little pull request for website ;)
13:42 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: PR are definitely appreciated
13:42 #navit: < kazer> i need to update the pictures and switch the website to the new one btw
13:42 #navit: < jkoan> see the current commit ;) hithub jkoan
13:42 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: how familiar are you with f-droid? could you help improve our delivery process?
13:42 #navit: < jkoan> *github
13:43 #navit: < jkoan> i currently only a user
13:43 #navit: < jkoan> but i think i can take a look at it
13:43 #navit: < kazer> great, that would really help :)
13:44 #navit: < jkoan> also we probably need to build linux builds :X but tis is a other topic for now
13:44 #navit: < jkoan> where we have our TODO? :D
13:45 #navit: < kazer> i currently use Trello to keep track of non-code related stuffs. i can share the board, or i'm open to suggestions. We used to use trac for this too ( http://trac.navit-poroject.org )
13:46 #navit: < kazer> re:github : i can grant you write access to the repo if you want
13:46 #navit: < jkoan> for now no thx later maby :D
13:47 #navit: < kazer> ok. then next step is to submit a pull request :)
13:47 #navit: < jkoan> i think i will change some things today so you will get one with all :D
13:49 #navit: < jkoan> But for now I will work on wiki ;)
13:51 #navit: < jkoan> If you want to help you could write the Download/xyz pages for macos ios wince tomtom and so.
13:52 #navit: < kazer> yeah. for that i actually need to write an api endpoint that will get a ping from our CI system once builds are successfull and update the packages infos
13:53 #navit: < jkoan> for f-droid?
14:17 #navit: < jkoan> kazer do you have any apple devices so you could say how difficult it is?
14:26 #navit: < kazer> api endpoint is for all pre-built packages. Our ci build the packages and we can download them from there, but the url changes for each builds
14:26 #navit: < kazer> i do have apple devices. On jailbroken devices, it is not too complicated. We still need to finish the build system for the appstore
14:26 #navit: < jkoan> what about an symlink -latest-stable.apk?
14:27 #navit: < kazer> we can't do that, because of the way the ci works. Here's the latest tomtom build for example : https://1616-30791823-gh.circle-artifacts.com/2/tmp/circle-artifacts.XsYZ8gX/navitom_minimal.zip
14:27 #navit: < jkoan> so for ios you would agree with Difficulty: hard  for now?
14:28 #navit: < kazer> yes, hard for sure.
14:28 #navit: < jkoan> (Y)
14:28 #navit: < kazer> hopefully it'll improve
14:28 #navit: < jkoan> about links do the ci report this to any navit servers?
14:29 #navit: < jkoan> then we could make a redirect from navit server to ci
14:31 #navit: < kazer> the ci has the ability to make a call at the end of the build. Another possibilty is to fetch the artifact url programmatically. i have some proof of concept code somewhere
14:32 #navit: < jkoan> somewere is the best backup, it is safe until you dont search for it
14:32 #navit: < kazer> https://circleci.com/docs/api/#build-artifacts and https://circleci.com/docs/api/#recent-builds-project if you want to have a look at the api
14:32 #navit: < kazer> haha
14:34 #navit: < jkoan> for now i will not look at api because i will finish the Howto with rework all things that are needed for example
14:34 #navit: < jkoan> Basic configuration
14:35 #navit: < kazer> actually here's the code :) http://pastebin.com/Wm9h8SRd
14:35 #navit: < kazer> yep sure
14:36 #navit: < jkoan> why 10 ? 1 with the filter is enough for the symlink
14:37 #navit: < jkoan> or was that only testing?
14:37 #navit: < kazer> yeah that was really a quick and dirty test
14:38 #navit: < jkoan> by the way only 19 to go :D to 100
14:38 #navit: < kazer> sweet :)
14:39 #navit: < kazer> if you stumble upon a good looking, recent screenshot let me know. we can tweet it or publish it on FB. We need to work on more frequent updates
14:39 #navit: < kazer> that should help rebuild the community
14:40 #navit: < jkoan> probably today or tomorrow i write a new article on my website ;)
14:41 #navit: < jkoan> is it possible to change the wiki navigation? i cant found it :X but probably as an admin i sould be able to change it ?
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14:44 #navit: < kazer> nice, let me know about that article we can probably push it via tweeter/fb too
14:44 #navit: < kazer> what do you mean by navigation?
14:45 #navit: < jkoan> left site  of wiki --> menu
14:48 #navit: < kazer> ha!
14:48 #navit: < kazer> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
14:49 #navit: < kazer> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Screenshots_gallery : could we embed the videos instead of just linked to them?
14:49 #navit: < kazer> i like the new device gallery
14:50 #navit: < jkoan> thx for new gallery
14:52 #navit: < kazer> we can fetch screenshots from the ci just like packages using the api. so we can have self-updating screenshots in the wiki
14:52 #navit: < kazer> like the one here : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/197
14:53 #navit: < jkoan> if you have the update bot code than yes
14:53 #navit: < kazer> update bot code?
14:54 #navit: < jkoan> some code which uploads the screenshots to the wiki
14:59 #navit: < kazer> we can also link to an external image instead, and have the api update that image
14:59 #navit: < kazer> == less wiki editrs
14:59 #navit: < kazer> *edits
15:00 #navit: < jkoan> yes, thats right. i dont know whats the best way
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15:03 #navit: < kazer> i think that this one would avoid too much noise in the "recent changes" and will make it easier to follow legit edits
15:03 #navit: < jkoan> but bot edits are not shown ;) if you use the api
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15:04 #navit: < kazer> oh, interesting
15:04 #navit: < jkoan> http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Special:RecentChanges
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> see in head
15:05 #navit: < kazer> oh right
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> you could turn on and of
15:06 #navit: < jkoan> and you see that i made a few edits today :D
15:17 #navit: < kazer> indeed :)
15:22 #navit: < jkoan> In navit android we have zoom with 2 fingers why this isn't possible with my raspberry pi setup? (10 finger touch)
15:56 #navit: < kazer> probably a driver problem. Is multitouch working in other apps?
15:57 #navit: < kazer> if yes, we need to check if the multitouch support in navit is android specific. i'll have a look
16:03 #navit: < jkoan> I can't verify because I just set up navit on raspbian light myself so that I don't have annoying deamons in background
16:04 #navit: < jkoan> but i know that it is possible also in Software
16:05 #navit: < jkoan> but i dont really know if i have an misconfigured system with the Touchscreen
16:08 #navit: < kazer> no worries, i have a similar setup i can have a look this weekend
16:08 #navit: < jkoan> okay thx
16:08 #navit: < jkoan> another question
16:09 #navit: < jkoan> how difficult would it be to implementiert an real Browser in navit?
16:10 #navit: < jkoan> a basic one of cause
16:21 #navit: < jkoan> probably this one? https://webkitgtk.org/
16:59 #navit: < kazer> mmm. QT also has a browser, and qt5t is in the todo list
16:59 #navit: < kazer> what would be the use case?
17:13 #navit: < jkoan> It would be useful for searching in Internet, not more. :X
17:23 #navit: < kazer> mmm. i have mixed feelings about that. but we can keep it in mind for sure
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