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14:53 #navit: < kazer> hi there
14:55 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: auto updating fdroid would be nice indeed, we should definitely do it. Although updating only on releases might not be enough, but http could be a good option
14:56 #navit: < jkoan> Hi Kazer
14:56 #navit: < kazer> currently we keep track of the version tag required by google play store as a tag, and it's a mess we need to move it somewhere else. this would work also for fdroid, as both used to use the svn commit id
15:04 #navit: < jkoan> The main reason I think http would not good is it requires our infrastructure and this is not as easy as it could be. Also I think we should only use 0.5.x without any other number behind this and publish releases and so more often. Even if not every thing is perfect. Clearly everything should work, but we should not work on one minor release for ages
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> You also have a private message again ;)
15:11 #navit: < kazer> i definitely agree that we need to release more often, especially because our ci should help us ensure that the master branch is always functional
15:12 #navit: < kazer> regarding http, there's tricks that we can use to avoid the dependency on our infrastructure. Like, serving the http content via github. It should not be difficult, and would work well with moving the version tags to a dedicated repo
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15:25 #navit: < jkoan> Okay, if we provide the http file over github this would be a suitable solution, even if I think git tags would be nicer
15:30 #navit: < kazer> don't get me wrong, we need tags :) i just think that we can serve the tag content programatically via github
15:37 #navit: < kazer> what we can do is generate a static page automatically when we push a release or a tag
15:37 #navit: < kazer> for the google play store, we currently push any successful build to the beta channel, and then manually promote builds to production
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16:05 #navit: < jkoan> Could we set up everything needed until end of the week to get up to date at least on Fdroid?
16:11 #navit: < jkoan> @kazer do you have a wince device?
16:18 #navit: < kazer> we can try to get this running this week yeah
16:19 #navit: < kazer> i don't have a wince device unfortunately. Maybe i can get something cheap off ebay
16:28 #navit: < jkoan> I ask the wince thing because of the related tickets on trac. Because I can't do much to fix them
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16:55 #navit: < kazer> yep sure
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17:02 #navit: < kazer> hey jandegr
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17:03 #navit: < jandegr> hi kazer
17:04 #navit: < kazer> jandegr: as our android expert, do you think you could give a shot at testing qt5/qml on android?
17:05 #navit: < jandegr> the who expert ???
17:05 #navit: < kazer> don't be shy :)
17:07 #navit: < jandegr> gimme a call when you ditched osd
17:16 #navit: < kazer> ditched osd?
17:17 #navit: < jandegr> don't be shy :)
17:17 #navit: < kazer> i just don't know what you are talking about :) it this something we discussed in the past?
17:17 #navit: < jandegr> hmm, were you planning to go Qt for gui but not for OSD ?
17:19 #navit: < kazer> a QT osd would provide some nice features for sure. Do you want a QT osd?
17:20 #navit: < jandegr> I am not demanding anything, but with gui_historical and OSD gone, I could just use my openGL stuff and throw out the old graphics stuff
17:20 #navit: < jandegr> just lazy :)
17:21 #navit: < kazer> cool. because the QML ui already provides OSD functionality
17:21 #navit: < kazer> so we just need to test them on android and we can ditch the old things :)
17:23 #navit: < jandegr> I am testing some openGL stuff on zanavi, I will notice when you have OSD/qt :)
17:33 #navit: < jkoan> Are you want to remove the internal rendering over time?
17:35 #navit: < jandegr> I had a navit based openGL hack of graphics. and now I am testing openGL draw on the fly on zanavi base
17:36 #navit: < kazer> i think that we can keep it for now until we get a better understanding of the performance impact. But a lot of low-powered devices today have some really good opengl support, which offloads computations to the gpu and make a big difference
17:36 #navit: < jandegr> don't be shy :)
17:38 #navit: < jandegr> I am sure there are openGL enabled carputer boards available :)
17:40 #navit: < kazer> yeah, like the raspberry pi :)
17:40 #navit: < kazer> using qt + egl we don't even need X
17:42 #navit: < jandegr> does qt not handle most of egl on its own ?
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17:47 #navit: < kazer> yes it does - you just need to configure an environment variable for that to work
17:49 #navit: < jandegr> if you have smth like that, you could test / use the draw on the fly thing fast
17:54 #navit: < kazer> draw on the fly?
18:01 #navit: < jandegr> yes, navit for planes
18:01 #navit: < jandegr> :)
18:01 #navit: < jandegr> on the fly right away as the stuff is retreived from binfile
18:02 #navit: < jandegr> versus store and sort it all to draw it afterwards in the correct order
18:02 #navit: < jandegr> on the fly draws with (tiny) Z
18:02 #navit: < jandegr> so no need to store and order for drawing later
18:03 #navit: < kazer> that would be nice for sure
18:03 #navit: < jandegr> will see later which version was best
18:03 #navit: < jandegr> but on the fly GPU works already while CPU is still fetching the rest from binfile
18:04 #navit: < kazer> which is what we want : leverage gpu as much as possible
18:04 #navit: < jandegr> and bridges and tunnels is just modify Z a bit, is required in zanavi
18:05 #navit: < jandegr> later comparison will show what is best, I already had good improvements with the navit store for  later version as well
18:06 #navit: < jandegr> was already down to 48% time needed for drawing
18:06 #navit: < jandegr> (on android)
18:11 #navit: < kazer> oh wow that's significant
18:12 #navit: < jandegr> want MOOOOORE
18:12 #navit: < jandegr> hmm, say LESSSSS time needed
18:15 #navit: < jandegr> but to be honest, the 48% was including a few small hacks not related to openGL
18:23 #navit: < kazer> would they also improve the usual drawing system?
18:27 #navit: < jandegr> I doubt somebody will dig into the old graphics code
18:28 #navit: < jandegr> but low fruit was not set a white background for text on a white road :)
18:31 #navit: < jandegr> requires setting a background in xml where you actually want one
18:31 #navit: < jandegr> no idea how much this will do on non-android
18:31 #navit: < jandegr> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/commit/a1cfc60ce93826ac5169e43edb1b6918a70f6e81
18:37 #navit: < kazer> ah, i remember that one yeah
18:37 #navit: < kazer> thanks
18:38 #navit: < jandegr> some other sample, draw a polygon and its outline with one call, where navit now does 2
18:39 #navit: < jandegr> but requires work on all the graphics drivers
18:39 #navit: < jandegr> not worth to modify all that old code I suppose
18:41 #navit: < kazer> yeah, better to focus on compiling navit with qt support for android ;)
18:47 #navit: < jandegr> can't do, my time is taken by openGL :))
18:50 #navit: < kazer> darn. we need to find a way to make a deal here :)
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