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00:40 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n800/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project
00:40 #navit: < Navit> it-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-7618.failed
00:40 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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05:34 #navit: < jkoan> Wait Kazer, thinking of 0.6.0 is okay, but we should lead all available resources to 0.5.1 to get finished
05:37 #navit: < jkoan> But the qml thing sounds really nice
06:20 #navit: < jkoan> Also Kazer we must think about how we want to split navit into pieces. Bacause Navit is modular my suggestion is to split it into logical pieces.
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> One idea would be this :
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit (containing core system, graphic null, vehicle null, navit-vehicle null)
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-data
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-graphics-internal
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-engine-qt5
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-engine-gtk
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-engine-sdl
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-engine-opengl
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-binding-python
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-binding-dbus
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-plugin-*
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-speech-dbus
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-speech-espeak
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-speech-qt5
06:21 #navit: < jkoan> navit-speech-cmdline
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08:14 #navit: < pa> kazer: awesome! i actually already had a prototype plugin to use 3rd party engines, i could clean it up and put it somewhere, so we don't have to go through the mapboxgl one, that in the meanwhile grew quite a bit
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11:12 #navit: < jkoan> pa: I think I missed something, could you please tell me the context of your plugin? Is it a navit style like mapbox?
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12:17 #navit: < pa> jkoan: essentially QtLocation geoservice plugins allow to wrap 3rd party engines like mapboxgl, or, in this case, it would be navit
12:17 #navit: < pa> so that you could use the mapping or routing features of navit in Qt very simply, essentially the bare minimum would be Map { plugin: Plugin { name: "navit" }}
12:18 #navit: < pa> likewise, for routing, you would use a RouteModel { plugin: <like above> }
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15:02 #navit: < robertp> Hi Guys,
15:03 #navit: < robertp> I have a problem with layers in the navit.xml file after updating to latest trump ... errrr trunk!
15:04 #navit: < robertp> https://pastebin.com/TaYBQkJR
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15:06 #navit: < robertp> It is on my https://github.com/pohlinkzei/navit/tree/audio_i2c_merge branch...
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15:07 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: the split is debian packaging specific though. With gentoo you just create USE flags instead
15:07 #navit: < kazer> pa: sounds great, i want to know more!
15:09 #navit: < pa> kazer: we can even have a telegram call one day :-)
15:10 #navit: < kazer> haha that would be fun
15:10 #navit: < pa> i'm actually making a presentation about it right now
15:10 #navit: < pa> i could even send it to you once i finished
15:10 #navit: < kazer> oh! you have slides or a recording?
15:10 #navit: < pa> linux?
15:10 #navit: < kazer> definitely!
15:10 #navit: < pa> i have a qmlprez
15:10 #navit: < pa> but i can build it statically
15:11 #navit: < pa> so you just run the binary
15:11 #navit: < kazer> sounds good
15:11 #navit: < pa> ok then let me finish it and build it, then i upload it somewhere
15:11 #navit: < pa> so you help me testing the portability of a static build of it :-)
15:17 #navit: < kazer> deal :)
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16:13 #navit: < jkoan> kazer: yes of course it is debian spezific, but do you think my idea is good for debian?
16:19 #navit: < kazer> it sounds good yeah - although i'm not a debian packaging expert :)
16:25 #navit: < jkoan> But pini is not online :(
16:26 #navit: < jkoan> kazer: what packages gentoo needs?
16:34 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: here's the official bug report to track package integration : https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176552
16:34 #navit: < kazer> oh it turned 10 years old a month ago or so :D
16:35 #navit: < kazer> if we're updating our packages list, it would be worth linking upstream bug reports for package integration
16:39 #navit: < jkoan> So on gentoo you build everything yourself?
16:40 #navit: < jkoan> I must read the whole ticket later
16:40 #navit: < kazer> yeah currently i do. mostly because i'm always running master or a branch
16:47 #navit: < jkoan> No, I mean gentoo in general, does it have a package manager like dpkg on debian?
16:49 #navit: < kazer> oh yeah.
16:50 #navit: < kazer> -9999 means "pull from a repo" but otherwise you can also build packages like navit-0.5.0
16:50 #navit: < kazer> the version tagging system and use flags are what really make gentoo stand out in my opinion
16:51 #navit: < kazer> example : [I] dev-qt/qtwidgets Available versions:  (5) 5.6.2(5/5.6)^t **5.6.9999(5/5.6)[1] ~5.7.1(5/5.7)^t **5.7.9999(5/5.7)[1] [M]~5.9.0(5/5.9)^t[1] **5.9.9999(5/5.9)[1] **5.9999(5/5.9999)[1]
16:51 #navit: < kazer> this lists all the various versions that i can pick from right now
16:52 #navit: < kazer> by default you'll compile the code for the softwares that you want to install, even if you can technically pre-build your packages
16:53 #navit: < kazer> for example, this https://github.com/pgrandin/gentoo-macbook/blob/master/circle.yml pre-builds packages for me with specific settings
17:03 #navit: < jkoan> Okay, is it Okay for you if we (or at least I) put this back to make this packages later?
17:03 #navit: < jkoan> http://irclogs.navit.ie/ is down?!
17:04 #navit: < kazer> regarding http://irclogs.navit.ie/ it's maintained by Number6 - but I believe that he's travelling right now
17:05 #navit: < kazer> what do you mean "put this back" ?
17:05 #navit: < jkoan> To do this task not this and not the next week
17:07 #navit: < kazer> oh, sure
17:07 #navit: < jkoan> Okay
17:07 #navit: < jkoan> So only Deb and RPM for now
17:08 #navit: < jkoan> And hope that pini came online
17:08 #navit: < kazer> if you're interested, i can share a trello dashboard where i keep track of things that are not really bugs and don't fit in trac
17:08 #navit: < kazer> although we could also create trac tickets for that
17:08 #navit: < kazer> for example say that we would need to update the packages before the next milestone
17:09 #navit: < kazer> yeah might be a better idea actually
17:09 #navit: < jkoan> I don't use trello right now, so trac would be better (please also for Deb and RPM packages)
17:09 #navit: < jkoan> Packages before 0.5.1 milestone yes
17:09 #navit: < kazer> yeah makes sense - so feel free to add a ticket / distro there and we can put them in the next milestone
17:10 #navit: < jkoan> Yes, I will do
17:11 #navit: < jkoan> Another question about trac
17:11 #navit: < jkoan> Does it is possible to get a responsive theme there? :,(
17:14 #navit: < kazer> haha
17:15 #navit: < kazer> yeah. Wiki upgrade path is done - working on the forum now, and i can do trac right after that
17:16 #navit: < jkoan> What do you mean by is done? Bacause it is finished or also live on wiki.navit-project.org?
17:17 #navit: < kazer> the upgrade path is working : it's scripted and we can toggle the switch when we're reading. But we need to take care of the forums at the same time, as they share a dependency on the database (to provide SSO)
17:18 #navit: < kazer> trac does not have that dependency, as we ask the user to provide the SSO url
17:18 #navit: < jkoan> Hm okay :(
17:18 #navit: < kazer> it shouln't take long now
17:19 #navit: < jkoan> When you are finished? :D
17:21 #navit: < kazer> i'll ping you to beta test it :)
17:23 #navit: < Number6> oh, irclogs is down. Two minutes :-)
17:24 #navit: < jkoan> Thanks
17:24 #navit: < jkoan> Also thanks Number6
17:25 #navit: < Number6> Fixed
17:25 #navit: < kazer> thanks Number6 that was efficient!
17:25 #navit: < Number6> good thing I saw the mention! I'll add monitoring to irclogs now
17:30 #navit: < kazer> thanks Number6 !
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17:31 #navit: < kazer> hi pini ! if you're around jkoan has a few questions for you
17:32 #navit: < jkoan> pini and kazer, yes i have. but it would be nice if you(kazer) could manage the talk a ittle, because i do do coking
17:36 #navit: < kazer> haha i can try
17:45 #navit: < Number6> irclogs now has an SSL cert!
17:45 #navit: < kazer> fancy!
17:45 #navit: < Number6> I wouldn't call a LetsEncrypt cert fancy ;-)
17:52 #navit: < kazer> fancier than nothing :)
18:24 #navit: < jkoan> I agree with kazer
18:24 #navit: < jkoan> Ssl is always fancy
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18:59 #navit: < Number6> kazer: Oh, you wanted fancy? How about a responsive design which shows the latest logs at the top of the list? :-)
19:03 #navit: < jkoan> Number6: this would be really nice, but responsive is not needed, only the newest log at the top
19:03 #navit: < Number6> I spent an hour compiling nginx, it's having a responsive design :-D
19:09 #navit: < jkoan> Thanks a lot 0:)
19:11 #navit: < kazer> haha
19:16 #navit: < jkoan> @pini is not really active or?
19:19 #navit: < kazer> not sure. you can try also to get feedback via debian's bug tracker or his email : https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pini%40debian.org
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19:29 #navit: < jkoan> Yes, but not today
19:30 #navit: < kazer> sure
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22:07 #navit: < jkoan> kazer: again a note : we could also think about Navi on FreeBSD/OpenBSD
22:16 #navit: < kazer> yeah indeed
22:16 #navit: < kazer> jkoan: since you're around, just got the forums up and working on the new servers
22:16 #navit: < kazer> http://52.26.214.83:81
22:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> kazer:
22:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> looks nice
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22:41 #navit: < kazer> thanks. the main goal is to make it easier to upgrade (using containers) and remove the dependency on our "legacy" server where everything is hosted
22:43 #navit: < kazer> if you guys could let me know if you spot any issues, with either http://52.26.214.83 or http://52.26.214.83:81 .. i'll setup a vhost meanwhile
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23:48 #navit: < pmckinley> =-O
23:49 #navit: < pmckinley> yo yo whaddup
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