--- Log opened Sat Jun 24 00:00:04 2017 01:47 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2a02:2028:63a:f901::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:51 -!- noradtux [~noradtux@2a02:2028:719:a901:2521:37d9:59f5:4dc1] has joined #navit 04:14 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 12:24 #navit: < jkoan> hi kazer :) 12:28 #navit: < jkoan> kazer: see https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/274 it is now working :D 13:00 -!- ilovekiruna [~ilovekiru@ip2505a0ef.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #navit 13:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi kazer 13:01 #navit: < jkoan> hi ilovekiruna 13:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi jkoan 13:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I saw there is finally a Sailfish port 13:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> looks already pretty nice 13:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am just curious on one thing 13:01 #navit: < jkoan> dumb question: sailfish uses rpm? 13:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> afaik, yes 13:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> is it also planned or possible to include the sailfish typical look and feel, i.e. gestures? 13:03 #navit: < jkoan> So probably wo should not provide sailfish related packages. Instead generall RPM packages? :D 13:03 #navit: < jkoan> I never used sailfish, so I don't know right now 13:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I can give you an example 13:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in android when u want to go back in a menu, u hv that hardware or software button 13:04 #navit: < jkoan> yes :D 13:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in sailfish you can swipe to the left 13:04 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and get the same behaviour 13:05 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sailfish is more about swiping 13:05 #navit: < ilovekiruna> swiping from the top coses an app, from the side in any app you leave the app but keep it open 13:06 #navit: < jkoan> okay, then we probably need to include some dependencys or so 13:06 #navit: < jkoan> we can look, but i cant say if we can :X 13:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: u know if i find time, i also try to help 13:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> still need to test my proposal of two exchangable levels of speed warner speeds a bit 13:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and want to make it in my OSD, then want to ask kazer, if we can merge to master 13:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: Should we also mention the SF (sailfish) port on the wiki? 13:09 #navit: < jkoan> sounds good 13:09 #navit: < jkoan> yes, clearely 13:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, then i would take up that 13:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and do in the coming days 13:10 #navit: < jkoan> today i have started two new pull request. Do you want to look at them? :D 13:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> no clue if i understand anything 13:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but sure, would be interesting 13:10 #navit: < jkoan> you use linux so you probably will ;) 13:11 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/273 13:11 #navit: < jkoan> this was only performance on the ci 13:11 #navit: < jkoan> and this is for android, so that we can delete all old R0000 Tags from the repo: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/274 13:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yes, the first one i understand :D 13:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> no sure, if u know, I run even gentoo :-p 13:13 #navit: < jkoan> i run ubuntu gnome right now, and android, and haveing a wince decice since some days (old navigon, now running navit) 13:13 #navit: < ilovekiruna> if i consider others than gentoo, i hv android and sailfish 13:13 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and for some things one cant avoid the evil os from redmond :( 13:14 #navit: < jkoan> but sound nice also, never looked at gentoo and sailfish 13:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> gentoo is very much about compiling :-D 13:15 #navit: < jkoan> so not so good for me :D this consumes so much time :D 13:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> gentoo is based on the concept of use flags which translate into flags for the configure scripts of packages 13:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so u can configure your installed software quite a bit also as part of the package management system 13:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> plus another advantage for me is that it is rolling release 13:16 #navit: < jkoan> yes, kazer mentions this also to me. It sound really interesting 13:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> dont want always to get new releases every half year 13:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> from compile time I would say on my machine it is ok 13:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> only package i find insane is chromium 13:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that is in my opinion insane 13:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i sometimes wonder if chromium is a browser or an OS 13:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just like that joke about Emacs 13:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Chromium seems an awesome OS just lacks a good browser :-p 13:19 #navit: < jkoan> i dont really like chrome, i am more the firefox men 13:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> me, too 13:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> chrome is for me second browser if firefox doesnt work somewhere well 13:20 #navit: < jkoan> yes, for me also, like on amazon video... 13:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: who can approve pull-requests? 13:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> only kazer? 13:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or also u? 13:21 #navit: < jkoan> i can also, but i want not to force everything i made into navit ;) 13:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I c 13:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> good approach 13:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> appreciate it 13:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it is always good if others also look over things 13:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> good to exchange information 13:23 #navit: < jkoan> probably kazer ore someone else said that the idea is dumb in some way, so i give the pull some time, if nobody says something against it i will merge it 13:25 #navit: < jkoan> i also merged one pull request today ;) 13:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> u r with cmake, right? 13:27 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i also reworked it for android a bit 13:27 #navit: < jkoan> *navit 13:28 #navit: < jkoan> fail :D 13:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was ucrious if u saw the uninstall pull request 13:28 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i have, but have not found time to rewiew 13:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hd a quick look 13:29 #navit: < jkoan> hd? 13:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> seems like it does not work as expected 13:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hd = had 13:29 #navit: < jkoan> wait a moment 13:43 #navit: < jkoan> as far as i see this really is not verry goot right now. Yes, we should have a uninstall target, but this is not working as it chould 13:43 #navit: < jkoan> *should 13:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was just guessing that it wouldnt be so tricky with your cmake experience 13:45 #navit: < jkoan> i only use cmake since some weeks :D but it should be possible yes. But this has no focus for me because we want to bring the relese 0.5.1 as soon as possible 13:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sure 13:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what is missing for 0.5.1? 13:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just to be curious 13:46 #navit: < jkoan> http://trac.navit-project.org/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&group=status&milestone=version+0.5.1 13:46 #navit: < jkoan> everything you see ;) 13:47 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sounds like a lot :( 13:47 #navit: < jkoan> yes it is 13:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> is it known if all bugs are still present? 13:48 #navit: < jkoan> but probably some of them are already done :D it is a lot to test and review 13:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I could try to do that for some 13:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ofc as for u based on time availibility 13:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> could we maybe select some for me :-p 13:50 #navit: < jkoan> these are taged with trivial: http://trac.navit-project.org/query?status=new&status=reopened&severity=trivial&milestone=version+0.5.1&group=status&col=id&col=summary&col=type&col=priority&col=component&desc=1&order=priority 13:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> with trival u mean simple for me to work on? 13:52 #navit: < jkoan> i dident looked at each of them, but if i am right thaen yes 13:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, nice 13:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will hv a look 13:52 #navit: < jkoan> nice 13:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will be a bit away now, doing some other things 15:25 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #navit 16:55 #navit: < jkoan> kazer: now it's done: http://static.jkoan.de/IMG_20170624_184855.jpg 17:15 -!- jjelen [~jjelen@95.82.135.150] has joined #navit 17:56 -!- jjelen [~jjelen@95.82.135.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer and also all others: do we want to provide tomtom builds ready to use like the raspberry Pi img? It is not as complicated. I have a tomtom one v3 so I can test this. Than we only need the download thing from kazer so that we can download the map over Bluetooth or USB ethernet 19:04 #navit: < jkoan> My plan would be to make an own repo for the img build (fork of opentom) setup circleci and use it to provide the images. The images should be separate per device so because I have a one v3 the first page would be that. Than we could maintain everything related to the TomNavitOS in this repository 19:05 #navit: < jkoan> Probably we could also use build root, we must look :D 19:06 #navit: < jkoan> We need to build dialogs for connecting to Bluetooth devices, downloading maps, updating the OS,select language, time settings and probably even more 19:17 -!- jjelen [~jjelen@83.240.61.54] has joined #navit 19:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: Was there already an idea for the far future to make it possible to download "addons" directly from the app? 19:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> e.g. one could use that for custom OSDs 19:19 #navit: < jkoan> Probably not really, I head a equivalent idea, but not really detailed 19:20 #navit: < jkoan> But add-ons would probably a 0.6 thing 19:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ofc not for now 19:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> at first 0.5.1 19:24 #navit: < jkoan> But (even if it's some work) the tomtom thing is probably 0.5.1 related because when we release it we (at least I) want a big hype in the press so that we get much users and probably also new devs. Because of this we must provide the best user experience possible, on all devices. And the tomtom thing is quite easy, take an SD card, copy the image on the SD card, stick it in the tomtom and your ready to start. Than the software should announce how… 19:24 #navit: < jkoan> … to connect to the internet over Bluetooth (every Android device is no problem) and download the maps 19:44 -!- jjelen [~jjelen@83.240.61.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10 #navit: <@kazer> hi there 20:11 #navit: < jkoan> Hi Kazer 20:12 #navit: < jkoan> Did you read the log from the irc today? 20:14 #navit: <@kazer> jkoan: love the picture with the two devices :) 20:14 #navit: < jkoan> Thx :) 20:15 #navit: <@kazer> yes i think that a ready to use image for tomtom would be nice, for people who are less inclined to tinker 20:16 #navit: < jkoan> So I make a fork from opentom tomorrow and start working on it (y) 20:16 #navit: <@kazer> jkoan: talking about building images, i have a nice image for raspberry pi 2 which allows one to test the QT5 UI easily. Just need to fix a missing .xml file and make navit start at boot. Image is 220MB currently :) 20:17 #navit: <@kazer> ilovekiruna: yeah i'd love to provide OSDs and map layouts downloads. It won't be that hard once we'll have map download.. which we almost have. 20:17 #navit: <@kazer> jkoan: yep i did read the log, just finished :) 20:17 #navit: < jkoan> Then I will need the web hook thing for the download page, and also to trigger the tomtom build whenever navit gets updated 20:18 #navit: <@kazer> yeah i can help you with that 20:18 #navit: < jkoan> Also seen both pull requests? 20:18 #navit: <@kazer> yep. I'm going to review them 20:18 #navit: <@kazer> btw you should post that picture with the devices on the wiki 20:18 #navit: <@kazer> do you have an android phone? 20:19 #navit: < jkoan> Then you make the web hook thing and I will work on NavitTomOS 20:20 #navit: < jkoan> Picture on wiki will follow 20:20 #navit: < jkoan> Not only one android device 20:21 #navit: < jkoan> Probably around 6, starding from Android 2.3 I think 20:21 #navit: < jkoan> The raspberry thing also sounds nice 20:22 #navit: < jkoan> And 220mb is not really big 20:22 #navit: <@kazer> i'd love to see a picture of navit on all your devices at once :) and i would share that on the social media :) 20:23 #navit: <@kazer> what's your navigon device exactly? 20:26 #navit: < jkoan> "Navigon 70/71 easy" I think 20:27 #navit: < jkoan> All devices could be a problem :O PC, Smartphones, tomtom, Navigon, raspberry with touchscreen. 20:28 #navit: < jkoan> Do I have more? :D 20:30 #navit: < jkoan> The interesting thing is that I nearly have any platform Navit is running on, Linux, windows (even if I don't use it), wince, tomtom (yes, it's Linux, but anyway), android 20:32 #navit: < jkoan> An interesting thing also is that the NEW tomtom devices are theoretical are only a android tablet... But I will not hack this one right now, because it is working quite well (and it's not mine) 21:11 #navit: <@kazer> oh yes please, picture, picture! you probably have the most extensive range of devices :) 21:11 #navit: < jkoan> Hm okay, I will look what I can do 21:12 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer, do you have a moment? 21:12 #navit: <@kazer> yep 21:14 #navit: < jkoan> Is this probably a mapserver? https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/tree/trunk/navit/script 21:14 #navit: < jkoan> Look at the extract php 21:17 #navit: < jkoan> At least a very old version? 21:25 #navit: <@kazer> yep, looks like it indeed 21:25 #navit: <@kazer> look at the area definition :) 21:26 #navit: < jkoan> So the map server is even not closed source? 21:30 #navit: <@kazer> the current map server is different from this one 21:30 #navit: <@kazer> it's a cgi script 21:31 #navit: < jkoan> But the main thing are not so different? 21:31 #navit: <@kazer> the idea is the same yeah 21:31 #navit: <@kazer> the concept is simple 21:32 #navit: < jkoan> Also you can run php as a Cgi script ;) 21:33 #navit: < jkoan> But I will go to sleep for now 22:15 -!- xenos1984 [~xenos1984@22-164-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E0C0000022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 -!- Horwitz [~mich1@p200300800E0AD400022268FFFE64E7C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #navit 23:31 -!- mode/#navit [+o Horwitz] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sun Jun 25 00:00:06 2017