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00:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:39 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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06:19 #navit: < jkoan> Hi Kazer please look at my comment on the PR. Also it would be nice to see why the external build is failing ;) my idea in the last phrase is only a guess
06:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi jkoan, i commented on the issue below ur comment
06:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> please have a look
06:27 #navit: < jkoan> Done :)
06:27 #navit: < jkoan> I only think it's not good to have two README files ;)
06:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what do u think about my point that I try to contact both overlay maintainers?
06:29 #navit: < jkoan> Is ths README vs. README.md that what brakes the build, or is there more?
06:30 #navit: < jkoan> But I think its definitely a good idea to work together with the people that build navit. So contacting them is a good idea
06:38 #navit: < jkoan> It's probably not the current state, but look at the last line:
06:38 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/gentoo-sunrise/sunrise/blob/master/app-misc/navit/navit-9999.ebuild
06:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it is not on sunrise
06:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sunrise is dead
06:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it is just not finding README
06:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that stops the installation process on gentoo
06:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: need to rush to work now, but can tell u more in the evening
06:40 #navit: < jkoan> Evening in which time zone? Germany?
06:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yes
06:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am in Germany :D
06:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i remember u should also be, isnt nit?
09:02 #navit: < jkoan> Yes, it's right I am also in Germany
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16:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi KaZeR
16:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I tested both  scripts, they seem to run without errors
16:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :D
16:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: nice :)
16:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> it allows us to build the tomtom builds in ~1 minute!
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16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yeah, it ws running pretty gast
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> *fast
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was surprised
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: hv u followed the discussion where u tagged me?
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16:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yep. Sleske has a really good point.. as always :)
16:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I agree with that
16:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> i mostly created this PR to get the discussion going, and it worked well :D
16:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just wonder now what about my point?
16:49 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will it be renamed or should I try to contact the owners of the repos to modify their ebuilds?
16:49 #navit:  * ilovekiruna confused
16:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that we should rename it, because other packages from other distros could have the same issue
17:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok
17:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> btw we were talking yesterday about testing gentoo ebuilds. Here's how I build a stage4 for one of my machines : https://github.com/pgrandin/gentoo-pkg-builder/blob/ci_v2/.circleci/config.yml
17:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> we could use that to test ebuilds too
17:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> great
17:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> then I just had to write a script to generate the file for all possible USE flag combinations
17:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep :)
17:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> interesting, u even added ur own kernel configuration???
17:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep, and with that the box is pretty much ready to go
17:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i think u know my preferences a bit ;-)
17:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that is what i need also for my server
17:30 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just as vagrant or packer
17:30 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: what do the navit servers run on?
17:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> we have one box that does the map processing and manages the load of the map serving, running an old version of suse. It used to also serve our web content
17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> trac used to run on my own server, running gentoo. But recently i moved forums + trac + wiki to AWS, currently on ubuntu
17:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> another thought on the ebuild tests : you could test different combination in parallel by leveraging simultaneous jobs ( as we do for android, tomtom, linux, etc)
17:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> interesting idea
17:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> u know especially when I try to make my "own" ebuilds, such things are highly valuable
17:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> jobs are isolated so it's a perfect use case. We can build 4 jobs at a time currently
17:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh yeah, definitely
17:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that was the prime motivation
17:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's were docker really shines, because spawning a container is instantaneous if you have the base image locally
17:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but also i can spin off easily new VMs on my server
17:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> need to leave now for some time, but would love to hear also a bit from u how u secured your own server to make it safe enough to put it online
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17:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> but a vm needs some time to boot, usually a minute or so no?
17:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah sure!
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19:02 #navit: < MHD_asm> hi
19:03 #navit: < MHD_asm> I made my project.
19:03 #navit: < MHD_asm> I have GPS module connect directly to Arduino . and arduino connect  to raspberry pi
19:03 #navit: < MHD_asm> I send from arduino to raspberry many information
19:04 #navit: < MHD_asm> this information contain latitude and long tude . and I write this position in separte file on raspberry pi
19:05 #navit: < MHD_asm> how I can make navit  connect with this file and get position from it?
19:05 #navit: < MHD_asm> I write new position in file every second
19:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi MHD_asm
19:14 #navit: < MHD_asm> hi
19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's a few different options i think. Is your file acting like a log (adding content at the end) or more like a pipe ?
19:17 #navit: < MHD_asm> I need to ask . what is form this format this file
19:17 #navit: < MHD_asm> my file format is
19:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm not sure i understood that last sentence
19:18 #navit: < MHD_asm> every line in my file like this : A:34,7788 L:90,958588
19:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah, that's a custom format. Any reason for not using nmea-compatible format?
19:19 #navit: < MHD_asm> every second I write new line
19:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's a bunch of other useful information beside the position in a nmea sentence, like the precision of the position, number of satellites in use, etc
19:21 #navit: < MHD_asm> yes . I write position and speed and satalite count and feet
19:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you have another application that needs this specific format?
19:21 #navit: < MHD_asm> yes
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> then your best bet would be to write a "vehicle" parser for your format.
19:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> in navit, a "vehicle" is a data source to read the position and some other info from
19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> but if i were to do it, i would have the pi output nmea sentence, then write a filter to output the specific format for the other application
19:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> because currently you are converting from nmea to this format (probably on the arduino) i'm guessin
19:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> so if you do that conversion later in the chain, you could just use navit's usual gpsd source. The same would apply for any other gps based application that you would like to run on the pi
19:27 #navit: < MHD_asm> you suggest rebuild sentence compitable with nmea ?
19:27 #navit: < MHD_asm> on my rpi
19:28 #navit: < MHD_asm> then write in file
19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that it would be the easiest way yeah
19:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> well i meant that the easiest way would be to output nmea from the arduino, and then output to both nmea and your custom format on the pi
19:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> where are you doing the conversion currently? on the arduino or on the pi?
19:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> is it possible to view your code?
19:30 #navit: < MHD_asm> I can not reach to arduino code
19:31 #navit: < MHD_asm> but you can saw my setens that com from Arduino
19:32 #navit: < MHD_asm> my proplem is there are other data com from arduino
19:33 #navit: < MHD_asm> it is com on the same port
19:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> I can not reach to arduino code  : you mean you don't have access to the code?
19:34 #navit: < MHD_asm> yes
19:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah ok. Are you able to reflash the arduino with a different code? jkoan was working on a similar project, but generating nmea compatible sentences
19:35 #navit: < MHD_asm> yes I can
19:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah great it'll make it easier
19:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> how are your coding skills?
19:37 #navit: < MHD_asm> my GPS module is gps6mv2
19:38 #navit: < MHD_asm> yes I strong in coding
19:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok cool. By the way, is the arduino doing anything else than acting like a serial port relay?
19:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> are you doing data processing on the arduino itself?
19:41 #navit: < MHD_asm> no I do not process gps information on arduino
19:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. Then i would suggest this : plug the gps module directly on the pi serial port, and have gpsd read the data. It will work directly with navit. Then you only need to write a simple script to read from gpsd and to write to your file after the conversion
19:42 #navit: < MHD_asm> look my code
19:43 #navit: < MHD_asm> ok . I thik that is the best souliotion
19:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> no problem. Happy to help if you have more questions
19:45 #navit: < MHD_asm> my module is gps6mv2 . is it give nmea format ?
19:56 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi KaZeR
19:56 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am back
20:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> MHD_asm: pretty much all gps module output nmea sentences
20:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> welcome back ilovekiruna :)
20:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> MHD_asm: you can check by simply plugging your module in your pi's serial port, and looking at /dev/ttyAMA0
20:02 #navit: < MHD_asm> ok
20:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> you might need to free the serial port from the boot console, but it's easy to do
20:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-ultimate-gps-on-the-raspberry-pi/introduction should provide all the needed information
20:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> can u tell me also a bit about gentoo on the server, or should we take it later?
20:04 #navit: < MHD_asm> but I have lcd screen for pi3 . it is 3.5 inch . it is cover uart pi but I do not if it used them
20:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: up to you :)
20:06 #navit: < MHD_asm> thanks my friend
20:07 #navit: < MHD_asm> I will try
20:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> MHD_asm: it's probably using spi or i2c. sometimes some pins are relocated on the screen pcb. do you have spare pins on your screen?
20:07 #navit: < MHD_asm> you are right
20:07 #navit: < MHD_asm> it is used spi
20:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> serial isn't fast enough for displays :)
20:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> here's an example with pins redirected : https://www.adafruit.com/product/2097 and specifically https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/2097-06.jpg
20:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> on this one you can plug the gps on the male header on the top
20:09 #navit: < MHD_asm> can you help me about simple script to read from gpsd?
20:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> sure. what's your favorite language?
20:10 #navit: < MHD_asm> I need this data for other application
20:10 #navit: < MHD_asm> python
20:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> perfect
20:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gpsd-py3/0.2.0 and you're almost done
20:11 #navit: < MHD_asm> thanks my friend
20:12 #navit: < MHD_asm> you are greet
20:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> my pleasure
20:12 #navit: < MHD_asm> I will try all that
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20:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for me already now is fine
20:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: for the gentoo discussion you mean?
20:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yes
20:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> how to run a secure gentoo server online
20:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hv u done any special measures?
20:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or just like a desktop system with a different set of packages?
20:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm not running hardened, but i have iptables and fail2ban installed for example
20:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> keeping up to date on patches is quite important to avoid exploits too
20:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> but otherwise it's quite stock
20:36 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hardened anyway is about to die a bit, I guess u know
20:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that is interesting, what you say
20:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> i didn't know, but i never really used it
20:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> the grsecurity patches it relied on where made CSS a couple of months ago
20:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> with no replacement
20:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so already hardened-sources are masked, I think
20:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will soon be removed
20:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in fact hard masked
20:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hv u experienced attacks?
20:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or what about an intrusion detection system?
20:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> is ur server directly in ur LAN?
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i've experienced a few attacks :) one was succesful, a few years ago.
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> fail2ban helps a lot against script kiddies
20:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> my main server is in a datacenter
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sounds a bit expensive, but still helpful i think
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> good isolation
21:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thx for sharing, now i am a little less worried, if i once can put mine online
21:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> no worries. I'm paying about 40e/mo for it. But I really wanted to have backups of my files outside of my home
21:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for me the largest worry are the ones at home
21:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> because one has to isolate from the ordinary LAN
21:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep exactly
21:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> how many servers do you have?
21:34 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just one first one
21:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> were i want to put different VMs to isolate services
21:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but so far I am too afraid to put it online
21:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it is just in my LAN
22:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> what kind of security breaches are you afraid of?
22:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> first of all exploits
22:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or that i malconfigured sth
22:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so i mean that I choose risky settings
22:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> are you using a tool to configure your server, like puppet or something like that?
23:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> right now not, yet
23:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am right now migrating to a new version of xenserver
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23:16 #navit: < pmckinley> :P
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