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00:38 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:38 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:38 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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07:07 #navit: < jkoan> Hi all together and hi Kazer: we had another spam attack at wiki with 6 users. I deleted all pages they created and blocked them. If you see something I have forgotten please feel free to contact me or Kazer
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08:29 #navit: < naggety> Hello everyone! I have just installed Navit and I am having some problems to make it work. This is the first time I'm using it.
08:30 #navit: < naggety> I'm using a laptop with Xubuntu 16.04, and installed Navit version 0.5 from Ubuntu repositories.
08:30 #navit: < naggety> I have 2 problems: 1 - Town searching is not working, no towns appears in the list when tipping the town name
08:31 #navit: < naggety> 2 - map is not rendering OK when zoomed out. I have seen that there exists a "world basemap" of around 150MB but I don't know where to find it
08:32 #navit: < naggety> I have installed a map of Spain and Portugal that I got from the planet extractor website, using the predefined area of Spain + Portugal
08:33 #navit: < naggety> When zooming in, the streets, POIs, etc appears OK. When zooming out, not even the land nor the coast lines are rendered OK
08:34 #navit: < naggety> Hope anyone can help. Thank you!
08:41 #navit: < naggety> OK, first problem is solved. In the town search, the country flag is not displayed OK, so I didn't see how to change the country.
08:41 #navit: < naggety> There remains the second problem: rendering OK when zoomed out. It may resolve installing the world basemap? Where can I get it?
08:41 #navit: < naggety> Thanks
12:31 #navit: < jkoan> Hello naggety, according to your first problem : the default country should change if you change your language in the Navit.xml or probably also the local variables
12:32 #navit: < jkoan> According to the second problem. As you use a old version of navit it could be that the problem has already fixed, at least partially. Try build Navit from source and check again. Is that possible for you?
12:49 #navit: < naggety> Hello, I can try
12:49 #navit: < naggety> what branch should I compile?
12:50 #navit: < naggety> I have to say that I have just seen that what I said about the basemap is wrong. This was an issue of OsmAnd, not Navit (don't know how I ended there).
12:51 #navit: < naggety> The problem I have is this one: https://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/854#no1
12:52 #navit: < naggety> It is not marked as "solved". Should I still try to compile
12:52 #navit: < naggety> ?
13:08 #navit: < jkoan> Hi again naggety I know about the problem you referred. You are right, it's not closed because I don't know the status of it. If you have enough time and are willing to test this would be nice
13:08 #navit: < jkoan> The branch is Trunk
13:12 #navit: < naggety> OK, I will try this week. If I have any problem I'll ask again, and I'll inform if it seems solved or no.
13:13 #navit: < naggety> Thanks
13:15 #navit: < jkoan> Thanks and goodbye
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14:32 #navit: < jkoan> Hi Kazer what do you think, could we remove the experimental in this lines?
14:32 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/maptool/misc.c#L209-L211
14:32 #navit: < jkoan> It's to get better coast lines
14:33 #navit: < jkoan> Recording to ticket #854
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16:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
16:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks jkoan for cleaning up the wiki!
16:50 #navit: < jkoan> no problem
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> regarding coastline : i remember that change. We kept it as experimental for now because it changes the memory usage and could have a negative impact on the less powerful devices
16:55 #navit: < jkoan> hat do you think is the next small todo for navit? :D
16:57 #navit: < jkoan> but the question on coastlines how if not with this change we could fix them
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17:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> a next smallish todo would be a better list of countries :)
17:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> naggety's message is a good reminder that our map management currently sucks from a UI perspective
17:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> i can resurect the curl_download branch and maybe we can finish setting up something better
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17:32 #navit: < SAS_> hello all
17:32 #navit: < SAS_> hello kazer
17:33 #navit: < SAS_> any news about my issue ? ( unlatin chracters )
17:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi SAS_
17:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> no solution found yet. But we will
17:35 #navit: < SAS_> ok thanks
17:36 #navit: < SAS_> other question . about Dbus
17:36 #navit: < SAS_> can I import by python?
17:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep, absolutely. that
17:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's how we run our tests
17:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/routing-qa/blob/master/test.py
17:42 #navit: < SAS_> ok Thanks . I will read it and try
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17:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> great. let me know if you have questions
17:52 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: does the map server has an api to get the areas?
17:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: not yet, but it would be easy to add one. Does not have to be tied to the map server code : the map server would just serve the requested area
18:00 #navit: < jkoan> i ask to download it inside the map download. To generate the list
18:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's something we discussed in the past :) you were working on a script
18:04 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i also pushed that ;)
18:05 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/contrib/geojson-to-bbox.py
18:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi KaZeR, hi jkoan
18:07 #navit: < jkoan> hi ilovekiruna
18:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: Can you remind me if there was a free version of robotium recorder?
18:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i think i will slowly look at the gui testing again
18:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: that would be awesome
18:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> there is a free version yeah. You are limited in the number of tests that you can record, but everything else should work
18:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> r we also on iOS?
18:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: would you like to push that to the next level?
18:13 #navit: < jkoan> what should be the next level?
18:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: we have some code but the build has been broken for some time. We could probably fix it at some point
18:13 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: am wondering a bit, because Robotium is just Android
18:13 #navit: < ilovekiruna> others seem to be both
18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> having this information hosted on a webserver or an api server so that we can query it directly from navit
18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: if you think that there's a better tool for the job, it's totally fine by me
18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> robotium felt like one of the easiest to setup, mostly because it does not require an agent in the code
18:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I c
18:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was just looking a bit around
18:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will tell u the result later
18:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in best case would also love that it supports Sailfish ;-)
18:15 #navit: < jkoan> api/webserver or only something like dynamicly updatet from the ci? for example a branch which will be updatet from the ci so we could retrive the file from there?
18:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: +1 for sailfish
18:16 #navit: < ilovekiruna> any of us speaking finnish?
18:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> i don't :)
18:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: for now a static file would be a good start. Once way to do it would be to run the python code to process the update via AWS lambda on a cron for example
18:20 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: do you think we could reuse the code from the contry search to be able to provide a list?
18:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm, can you expand on that idea?
18:23 #navit: < jkoan> what do you mean by expand?
18:24 #navit: < jkoan> i only know expand in the term of something that get bigger
18:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, i meant can you explain a bit more about what you want to do by reusing the country search code
18:46 #navit: < jkoan> in the adress search we have a list to select something, probably we could reuse that
18:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that it would be more complicated than pulling the list of countries from an online source
18:50 #navit: < jkoan> oh sorry, i mean the gui path
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh! we could get that list of countries to download the map but there's two issues : the association is item -> country, not country -> item, and it would only support countries, not regions or states inside countries
18:53 #navit: < jkoan> hm okay
18:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> this list should give a good overview of what we need : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/12628850a99b25d0a8a61cde038cca8af4ef1b12/navit/android/src/org/navitproject/navit/NavitMapDownloader.java#L98
18:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> excepted that 1) it's static and harcoded and 2) it's android only
18:55 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i know the android path
18:55 #navit: < jkoan> :D
18:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok cool :)
18:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> there's probably a few things that we could do in the future to improve this, but the easiest way is probably to download something that matches that list and implement the relevant UI in internal
18:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> maybe I missed sth, but what about selecting the country of the current location first, when navigating
18:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> and we have some code to do it in that branch : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/curl_download/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal_map_downloader.c
18:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yes that would be super useful
18:57 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i hate it, when I am in Germany, and always have autoselected USA for the sake of the language
18:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> ideally we would also have a small map of the world, with countries and oceans
18:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> to avoid this really confusing empty screen
18:58 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: nice idea, but ofc we had to skip the small countries
18:58 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or the map had to be zoomable
18:59 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: you mean a basemap? :D
18:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> well drawing the boundaries of a small country shouldn't require a lot of space i think
18:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: exactly
18:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> as a seperate binfile, downloadable and updatable
18:59 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i dont talk about drawing, but that people could see or select them
19:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or maybe i misunderstood you
19:00 #navit: < jkoan> probably we can only render the otline of contrys and the water?
19:00 #navit: < jkoan> *outline *countrys
19:06 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep jkoan exacly my point. and maybe some major towns
19:07 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: makes sense now?
19:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I think we both talk about two different things.
19:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i get your point now. Just a very rough map to not have an empty screen
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes
19:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I was thinking in a different direction, making the country selection then visually
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> like highligthing the country on the map to download the map from the ui?
19:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> not for downloading, but when you select your destination
19:09 #navit: < jkoan> i dont think its good to have major towns in it because if we have real maps thy would overlay and because we have problems with overpapping thats not good
19:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: ha! so you mean make the country thing a bit more obvious?
19:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: what kind of issue do you foresee?
19:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I mean instead of scrolling through the long list or searching there
19:19 #navit: < jkoan> The same we have when we have two maps enabled at the same time
19:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> more visual user experience
19:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: have a look at the qml2 POC : https://wiki.navit-project.org/images/d/d4/Qml2.gif
19:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think it's a bit better
19:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZer it just seems to be a cross on background
19:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> in qml2?
19:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in the gif file
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19:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: https://imgur.com/a/uGpFp
19:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> looks nice
19:35 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what happens if u tap Germany or the flag?
19:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> you get to a searchable list of countries. When you type, it automatically filters results
19:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> my idea was to replace the searchable list of countries, by sth more visual
19:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> mmm. can you sketch something so that i get your idea better?
19:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sure, give me some time
20:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> https://imgur.com/a/PzWuD
20:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> i see
20:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you think that it would be more convenient than using search?
21:26 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i wonder if it is more user friendly
21:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am myself not sure
21:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am not a hmi expert ;-)
21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
22:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what do you think?
22:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm not convinced that it would be easier than using a search list
22:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, no problem
22:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> was just a wild idea
22:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will sleep now, gn kazer
22:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> bye!
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