--- Log opened Mon Oct 30 00:00:59 2017
00:06 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi jkoan, hi kazer
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00:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:39 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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09:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi all
10:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> right now working on the presentation template
10:17 #navit: < jkoan> nice
10:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: am just bad at it :(
10:18 #navit: < jkoan> i am working on android first time intro
10:18 #navit: < jkoan> i am also for android layout
10:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> intro for?
10:18 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or u mean like a tutorial?
10:19 #navit: < jkoan> https://www.draw.io/#Hnavit-gps%2Fui-mockups%2Fmaster%2Ffirst%20step.xml 
10:19 #navit: < jkoan> more like ask for permissions and first time setup
10:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ah, remember that
10:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR showed me
10:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: i hope u include the option to make it optional, e.g. skip all
10:20 #navit: < jkoan> the complex part on the first screen is to have one button with two fields :/
10:20 #navit: < jkoan> i try to add a skip option
10:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thx
10:21 #navit: < jkoan> after grant permissions because this is needed
10:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i think i will just make one slide now, as start
10:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> could you give me your opinion?
10:22 #navit: < jkoan> if you send me what you have i can give feedback yes
10:26 #navit: < ilovekiruna> where can i send u?
10:27 #navit: < jkoan> i have send you my email
10:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am not yet happy by the title
10:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> we need sth better
10:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but hope maybe tonight i can discuss with KaZeR
10:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or maybe you have a better idea :D
10:30 #navit: < jkoan> what should the talk about? 
10:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> at first i wanted to talk about my stuff with Appium and Navit app testing
10:31 #navit: < jkoan> also a least for me the navit logo seems to be not right scaled
10:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR said he could also contribute sth about the build system
10:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> the "text" or the icon?
10:32 #navit: < jkoan> the logo/icon (image) on the top right
10:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> strange, i took it directly from the website
10:39 #navit: < jkoan> - Continuous integration to compile and test Navit on Android with circleci and AWS Device farm 
10:39 #navit: < jkoan> - Intelligent testing of Navit build which comes from the continuous integration
10:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> first one sounds nice,
10:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: where is iOS stuff compiled?
10:40 #navit: < jkoan> we dont compile for ios
10:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :-o
10:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok
10:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just checked wiki
10:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> interesting, we just offer it for self-compilation on ios
10:42 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i even cant build it because i dont have any apple devices
10:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i thought that circleci has mac instances
10:43 #navit: < jkoan> yes, but not on v2
10:43 #navit: < jkoan> bacause its docker based
10:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I c
10:47 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i asked because appium allows me testing both
16:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi KaZ<eR
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sorry, KaZeR
16:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> ;)
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i started finally with a template
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will tonight or tomorrow morning continue
16:39 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but also waiting for you ;)
16:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> we used to compile for iOS, but it's broken as of now
16:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: i saw u did sth on Github :-o
16:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool! do you have a link to share?
16:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, yesterday was quite productive
16:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> also seems like u added me somewhere
16:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> we still need to fix the android build then we should be really for the release
16:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> to the organization
16:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> i sent you an invite to have permissions on the repo. it'll also allow me to involve you in reviews
16:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> exactly, that was what i mean
16:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> t
16:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i didnt upload the little i have anywhere yet
16:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but could also mail u like, i did to jkoan
16:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> still way too little :(
16:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but we need to discuss the outline a bit, u and me
16:44 #navit: <@KaZeR>  yeah sure. email could soon become annoying to keep track of updates. Hopefully we can find a more collaborative way. what would work for you?
16:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i can switch on owncloud
16:44 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and upload to your "cloud"
16:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> actually should be there already
16:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok will check
16:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i am just on outline and cover
16:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but still not happy with title
16:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> i also like the first one, and maybe we'll have other ideas once we've expanded the content
16:49 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i put now one based on jkoans suggestion
17:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok will check thanks
17:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: what do you want me to do on the review
17:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> still a bit confused
17:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> express your opinion on the topic, if you have some :)
17:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> the general idea is to try to get our contributor more engaged to work collaboratively. Have less code written by someone and just merged into the trunk. Have more discussions about changes
17:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> (changes being code, or how we run the project)
17:32 #navit: < youte> hi
17:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey youte 
18:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hey youte
18:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: when can i expect sth from you about the presentation?
18:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> in 1h probably? ok for you?
18:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sure
18:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will check after dinner later at night
18:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> just wanted a rough idea
18:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> sounds good
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: can you share the presentation with the `kazer` user in owncloud?
19:08 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sure
19:11 #navit: < ilovekiruna> does it work now?
19:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep
19:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :)
19:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> installing libreoffice :)
19:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok 
19:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what are you using usually?
19:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> i don't do lots of presentations. When I do it's usually for work so i used google tools
19:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> seems like an open company
19:38 #navit: <@KaZeR>  yeah can't complain :)
19:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i think that it's usually helpful to start with the history. why we did that. So maybe a word about what we had before and what we want to acheive?
19:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that was what i thought about in introduction
19:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> also a little background ofc about what navit is
19:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep. xenos1984 did a presentation some time ago, let me find it
19:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://vimeo.com/73118944 
19:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> slides : http://sotm-baltics.org/slides/sun_1100_hohmann.pdf 
19:48 #navit: < ilovekiruna> great, slides are a lot better than video
19:49 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i see he used probably latex
19:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> i love the "you have reached your destination now" at the end of the slides :)
19:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yeah
19:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it is for sure a nice presentation
19:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but we can just reuse a few slides
19:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> maybe the first seven slides
19:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what do you think?
19:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and then summary and contact can be also same
19:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep definitely
20:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> maybe xenos1984 can share the sources of his slide instead of the pdf..
20:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would be great
20:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would be latex, but i can also manage
20:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> any clue if we can get hold of xenos1984+
20:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> he is sometimes on irc, hopefully he got a poke when we mentioned his name :) otherwise i can email him too
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would be nice
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> because  u know time is running :(
20:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> random thought : how about using sozi and using a map as the background thing?
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> want to finish or first draft asap
20:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> if he doesn't answer today i'll email him
20:53 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok
20:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sozi just wouldnt help with regards to xenos1984
20:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> true. was just sharing a random thought :)
20:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i see sozi amazing for animations
20:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so if we zoom in things
20:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> zoom out
20:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> move through a map
20:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep exactly what i had in mind. what do you think?
20:55 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i dont c it in front of my mind yet
20:55 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but in general sozi would be fun
20:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> so i was watching xenos1984's presentation again to get a few ideas. His integration of the navigation items is really fun
20:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> pushing this to the next level, we could use a fake map as the silver lining of a sozi presentation. the idea is that when switching slides, we would make it look like you're somehow actually using navit
20:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> the summary would be the route description
21:00 #navit: < ilovekiruna> shouldnt summary be also the outline?
21:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> could be yeah
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> summary should be rather like in xenos1984's presentation the final destination
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: am messed up again with compiling qtwebengine, hate the compile times so much
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> seems like years :'(
21:03 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha
21:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> by summary i meant the plan actually - thanks for catching that
21:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> could work, if we make it good looking
21:07 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would u make a first draft, as it is your idea?
21:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> i can try yeah. i'm usually not good at pretty things, but we'll see :)
21:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> u are an engineer, right?
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22:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah.. that probably explains it :)
22:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that was my expectation 
22:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> also as an engineer :(
22:26 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i will sleep in maybe 30 mins, KaZeR: can i find a file with the sozi file when I get up?
22:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'm going to try but never used it so we'll see :)
22:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok
22:37 #navit: < ilovekiruna> no matter what you manage, put it
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i can try to continue with the work
22:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> while u sleep
22:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep
22:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> same for you :)
22:51 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and dont forget to share the file with me, like the mistake i did
22:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh yeah sure
22:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> actually if you move that file into a folder and share the folder with me, i just need to put the sozi presentation in the folder and you'll get it automatically
23:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok
23:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will do so
23:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> ok, now?
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23:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> you should have a new file now. just a test though don't get too excited :D
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