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02:19 #navit: < charles__> KaZeR: Just pushed a correction for the problems noted above.
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05:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: thanks!
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10:18 #navit: < jkoan> hi naggety, thy for the PR
10:19 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: i found something really cool for android, it will probably size to the apk but notification should then not be a big problem.
10:20 #navit: < jkoan> https://developer.android.com/training/notify-user/build-notification.html it is like the Notification builder which is only available from api11 and up, but this is available from api4 so perfect for us
10:20 #navit: < naggety> jkoan: your welcome
10:20 #navit: < naggety> I have found something about those big icons in the map
10:20 #navit: < jkoan> sorry false link: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/support/v4/app/NotificationCompat.Builder.html
10:21 #navit: < jkoan> naggety: alreaddy fixed?
10:21 #navit: < naggety> No, let's see if you can help me to figure out how to fix it
10:22 #navit: < jkoan> okay, what did you find out so far?
10:22 #navit: < naggety> for each .svg icon, they are generated .png files, one with the same size than the .svg and some more with some specific sizes (16x16, 32x32, etc)
10:23 #navit: < naggety> for example, for ruins.svg they are generated: ruins.png, ruins_16_16.png, ruins_32_32.png
10:24 #navit: < naggety> Almost all .svg icons are set to a small size, but some of them (like for example ruins.svg) are set to a bigger size, so ruins.png is a big size image
10:24 #navit: < naggety> and that image is used, instead one of the images generated for a specific size
10:25 #navit: < jkoan> ah so we must update the size in the svg to a common one?
10:26 #navit: < naggety> Well, I'm not sure. Shouldn't navit use one of the other sizes like 32x32? should we resize the svg?
10:26 #navit: < naggety> And why this is happening to me with my buildroot build but not when I build it for my computer?
10:26 #navit: < jkoan> the svg itselt is only text so its not a lose of quallety
10:27 #navit: < jkoan> that is really strange
10:27 #navit: < naggety> I know, but I would like to know which is the expected behaviour before fixing
10:28 #navit: < jkoan> i think the behaviour is what we like to define. It should be the same size then the other ones (32 or 64)
10:29 #navit: < naggety> Additionally I've found a minor issue: museum.png image can't be generated, svg2png tool fails, I don't know why. However, museum_16_16.png and the other sizes are generated OK.
10:36 #navit: < naggety> OK, I must correct myself
10:36 #navit: < naggety> It also happens if I build it for the computer
10:38 #navit: < naggety> see commit cef17773cdcd90063b5b
10:41 #navit: < naggety> I'm using the same map I generated weeks ago with maptool, should I regenerate?
10:42 #navit: < jkoan> hm okay, about the convert i dont know righ now, but this shouldent be a big issue
10:42 #navit: < naggety> See also commit b67baccda6eca4ccd24, someone resized many svgs to 22px
10:43 #navit: < jkoan> about the sample map: as far es i know ther was no change, so also no need to rebuild
10:44 #navit: < naggety> not using the sample map
10:44 #navit: < jkoan> probaly we should also add a convert from svg2svg to rezise all so the same saze
10:45 #navit: < jkoan> sorry not sample map, of course same map. But even not a problem
10:46 #navit: < naggety> ok
10:53 #navit: < naggety> Well, they're not generated at the same size than the svg
10:53 #navit: < naggety> At least the ones that appears bigger
10:53 #navit: < naggety> for example, school.svg and school.png are both 22x22
10:54 #navit: < naggety> But tec_common.svg and tec_common.png are 22x22 and 600x600
10:54 #navit: < naggety> ruins.svg and ruins.png are 22x22 and 744x744
11:10 #navit: < naggety> Using navit_svg2png to convert ruins.svg manually gives good result: ruins.png is 22x22
11:10 #navit: < jkoan> hm okay, we need to look into it, but right now i dont have the time to do it.
11:11 #navit: < naggety> ok don't worry, I keep on with this
12:43 #navit: < naggety> jkoan: I found the bug, but it's in a cmake file, and I don't know about cmake syntax
12:44 #navit: < jkoan> file and line?
12:44 #navit: < naggety> can you take a look? if it's not a trivial change, I open a ticket
12:44 #navit: < jkoan> yes of cause
12:44 #navit: < naggety> navit/icons/CMakeLists.txt, line 23
12:44 #navit: < jkoan> okay one moment
12:45 #navit: < naggety> The problem only ocurs if ksvgtopng is used to make svg to png conversion
12:46 #navit: < jkoan> okay, do you have an error message?
12:47 #navit: < naggety> And it only affect to some icons because it uses a regexp to find width and height attributes. If any subelement of the svg has width and height attributes, this ones are used, instead the svg root element width and height
12:47 #navit: < naggety> The solution is to use the first width and height attributes found in the svg file, not the last ones
12:49 #navit: < jkoan> ah okay, this seems to be a logic fail
12:51 #navit: < jkoan> are you sure that the last one is used?
12:53 #navit: < jkoan> probably we only need to remove the .* on the begin of the regex string, do you want to test?
12:53 #navit: < naggety> Well, I think so. If you open for example ruins.svg and search for 'width' string, you find 2: 22px and 744.09px. Generated png image is 744x744
12:53 #navit: < naggety> yes, I test it
13:00 #navit: < naggety> Doesn't work. It fails if width attribute is in the same line than <svg> tag. Like: <svg width="200" ...etc...>
13:00 #navit: < naggety> In that case, instead of getting just "200" it gets "<svg200"
13:49 #navit: < naggety> I hate regexps
13:50 #navit: < naggety> how the hell ".*width=\"([0-9]*)\"" can output "22>"
13:50 #navit: < naggety> from:
13:50 #navit: < naggety>  width="22">
13:50 #navit: < naggety> it output:
13:50 #navit: < naggety> 22>
13:59 #navit: < naggety> forget it, I see why
14:05 #navit: < naggety> I will look at it on monday
14:05 #navit: < naggety> bye
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14:42 #navit: < jkoan> naggety: i think i know how to fix this. In the hope that you read the logs i will post a patch later
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16:37 #navit: < youte> hello
16:47 #navit: < jkoan> Hi youte
16:47 #navit: < jkoan> youte: do you have time?
16:54 #navit: < youte> yes a little
16:59 #navit: < jkoan> Do you want to create graphics for Fdroid store?
17:00 #navit: < youte> why not
17:00 #navit: < jkoan> A sample could be the Wikipedia graphics
17:01 #navit: < jkoan> I will send you a link when I am at home
17:09 #navit: < youte> ok
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19:10 #navit: < Josue> Hello everyone
19:37 #navit: < MarcR> Hi Josue 
19:38 #navit: < Josue> Hey MarcR
19:47 #navit: < Josue> Kazer, are u there?
19:52 #navit: < jkoan> youte: sorry for the dely, hers the link its a header graphic and optional app screenshots (which could also be edite to look more nice. )
20:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
20:18 #navit: < Josue> hi 
20:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> naggety : thanks for the PR. Looks good overall, but if i'm being picky your documentation style is a bit different from what we usually do
20:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> naggety : for your svg/png problem : since you're building your device on recent hardware, i'd advise to use svg directly. You can disable the convertion using cmake with -DSVG2PNG=0 
20:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> I'm using the same map I generated weeks ago with maptool, should I regenerate? : icons and maps are unrelated. Navit will look for an icon whose filename matches a given POI, but it's not map related
20:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey Josue 
20:25 #navit: < Josue> hey man, how's it going
20:26 #navit: < Josue> i was reading about pointers, now i have a better idea about them and it's usage
20:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> cool! on my end, i got the new function to work for the osd_text 
20:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> the next step is a design decision. I looked at the code, and the command attribute is passed directly from osd_core.c to osd.c
20:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> so this means that we need to move that new function to another file (no big deal), but we also need to move 2 structs which are somewhat specific. so from a design perspective it isn't great
20:32 #navit: < Josue> ouch, i understand
20:34 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: hi Mate, is there a method, to switch between map layouts, depending on the time ? 
20:39 #navit: < Josue> is there a different way to make it work?
20:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: yep
20:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Configuration/Full_list_of_options#layout daylayout and nightlayout 
20:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> the switch is automatic based upon ephemerids, but you can also add an osd button to do it when you want. or do it from the settings, of course
20:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: i think that it's probably not that big of a deal to do that change, but i need to think about it
20:42 #navit: < MarcR> Ah I see :) ok 
20:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> 'text
20:42 #navit: < MarcR> will test it out 
20:43 #navit: < MarcR> tomorrow the official touchscreen case should arrive :) 
20:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> 'text' is currently the only item that has parsing for variables though, so it's kind of limiting us and we should change that
20:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: nice! pictures! did you know that you can use your own user page to document your project in the wiki?
20:43 #navit: < MarcR> now I know it :) 
20:45 #navit: < Josue> it's really nice to read it ejeje
20:48 #navit: < Josue> i'm working on focusing navit to help blind people, so solving the parsing of text will be a big step for my project
20:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: that's an awesome project!
20:50 #navit: < MarcR> Josue: tought the same. really cool project. 
20:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> you mentioned that the first thing you wanted to do was to log the current street in a file. want to tell us more? maybe we can find a way to achieve the greater goal more natively
20:51 #navit: < Josue> thanks Kazer and MarcR 
20:52 #navit: < Josue> yes,i hope to have it soon, as a portable offline device
20:53 #navit: < Josue> in  my country blind people do not have a good job to buy a technological device that helps them in their day to day
20:54 #navit: < Josue> so the goal is to make an offline device that can help them to know where they are in real time based on a map and gps
20:54 #navit: < Josue> i want to log the current street so, then i can call a Text To Speech Engine to tell people where they are
20:55 #navit: < MarcR> that is for what open source is about 
20:57 #navit: < Josue>  data packages are expensive here, that's why the goal is to be offline
20:59 #navit: < MarcR> sounds logic 
21:01 #navit: < MarcR> hmmm. i have a daylayout and a nightlayout set in the config. which is seperated. both layouts work for there own. but navit does not really switch to the right layout automaticly - if there is no gps signal, the night layout is active, and when there is a gps signal, it switches to day layout. 
21:01 #navit: < MarcR> but it is time for the night layout 
21:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: are you planning to use some existing hardware for that? like repurposed smartphones? or build your own?
21:20 #navit: <@KaZeR>  MarcR | but it is time for the night layout > that's why :)
21:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh crap read it backwards
21:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: you're in germany, right?
21:21 #navit: < MarcR> yeap 
21:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok. if there's no gps signal, it's expected that navit doesn't switch as we use the gps clock to do that. we could also use the system clock, but most of the time you want a gps signal when using navit
21:22 #navit: < MarcR> of course 
21:23 #navit: < Josue> at this moment i'm doing some tests with a RPi, once it works, wanna try with repurposed smartphones as you say, or maybe a RPiZero to reduce the size of the device
21:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: exactly what i was thinking. rpizero would be a good fit, as unfortunately a full size display won't be super helpful for your device
21:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: i actually have a prototype of a small device based on rpi zero : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd5bvpFpH8
21:25 #navit: < Josue> you're right i just need screen to make all the tests, once it works i don't need it
21:26 #navit: < Josue> wow, it's awsome, :O
21:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: is the timezone correctly set on your machine?
21:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: thanks :)
21:26 #navit: < Josue> awesome
21:26 #navit: < Josue> you're showing lat and lon right??
21:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes, latitude, longitude, and the 2nd line is ground speed
21:27 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: timezone is right, local time is right. gps time is one hour behind, so everything ok 
21:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> this is running navit in the background, even if it's not obvious :)
21:28 #navit: < Josue> yeahhh!! i really like it, and i can see the case was 3d printed :D
21:29 #navit: < Josue> that's exactly what i wanna do, run navit in the background
21:30 #navit: < Josue> Kazer: what kind of screen are u using?
21:31 #navit: < MarcR> i guess it is an issue with my general config, i splitted the config into seperated files, and used the xi:include command 
21:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: a cheap i2c oled display. costs about $10 i think. probably cheaper from china
21:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: shouldn't be an issue. Here's where it happens : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/navit.c#L3408 let's enable debugging for that function
21:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: like this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/1PCS-IIC-I2C-0-91-128x32-white-OLED-LCD-Display-Module-3-3v-5v-For-YF/263295459802 
21:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: i have one of these too, works exactly the same way : https://www.ebay.com/itm/0-96-I2C-IIC-SPI-Serial-128X64-White-OLED-LCD-LED-Display-Module-for-Arduino/302518955699
21:32 #navit: < Josue> Kazer: http://www.dx.com/p/hengjiaan-0-91-white-i2c-iic-oled-serial-128x32-lcd-display-module-474705#.WgYa7GiCzcc  :D
21:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, looks like the same. but yours is more expensive :)
21:34 #navit: < Josue> Wow, amazing, and for a really good price 
21:34 #navit: < Josue> i see :)
21:36 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah! pizero W, $10, display $5, the expensive part is the gps received in my setup, but you can find cheap modules too. And for your device you'd probably want a battery. mine is usb powered
21:40 #navit: < Josue> exactly, i wasa doing gps tests with a big power bank :)
21:41 #navit: < MarcR> is think my neo 6 gps module does a good job so far 
21:41 #navit: < Josue> the same that are used as emergency supply for cellphones
21:41 #navit: < MarcR> and it has cost me 10 bugs
21:41 #navit: < Josue> i have one based on neo 6 gps too
21:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> sweet
21:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have to go afk soon. Josue look into the 'say' command : it's quite powerful, can use a local TTS, and we can do caching of content too. General speech help is here : https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Speech
21:44 #navit: < Josue> thanks for all the advices and information, i going to look at it
21:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> but it looks like the say() command is undocumented :( in a nutshell you can trigger speech output from an osd
21:45 #navit: < MarcR> hm, in the navit log it only says type=trackpoint_tracked. I think it is to late for me :P
21:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> np Josue that's a really nice project, once we make some progress i totally want to showcase it on facebook and twitter
21:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: do you know how to enable debugging for a specific function?
21:45 #navit: < Josue> lready tried to occupy it, but I have the same problem of converting the text 
21:46 #navit: < Josue> thanks again 
21:46 #navit: < MarcR> its in the general config yeah, but I think I'm making a mistake. no worries, no need to rush. I will take a closer look at it tomorrow or sunday 
21:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> Josue: i see. we'll figure out a way
21:46 #navit: < Josue> thanks a lot 
21:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> MarcR: debug name="navit:navit_layout_switch" dbg_level="debug"/> is probably what you want
21:47 #navit: < Josue> It would be an honor
21:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> syntax is module:function. this is a core function, so the module is 'navit'
21:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> afk a few
21:49 #navit: < Josue> bye, i'll write you soon
21:49 #navit: < MarcR> KaZeR: thx for all the quick and direct help. 
21:49 #navit: < MarcR> see you guys later! 
21:49 #navit: < Josue> see you later!
21:49 #navit: < MarcR> Josue: keep up your project, it sounds really cool, and can help a lot of people 
21:50 #navit: < Josue> MarcR: thanks man, i'm gonna work until it works
21:51 #navit: < MarcR> cool 
21:51 #navit: < Josue> :) see you 
21:51 #navit: < MarcR> see you!
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