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11:17 #navit: < jkoan> hi @all
11:54 #navit: < naggety> hi jkoan
11:54 #navit: < jkoan> hi naggety
11:56 #navit: < naggety> what's up?
11:57 #navit: < jkoan> Documenting my ideas about the mapserver rewrite
11:57 #navit: < jkoan> also the new api which i want to build with the rewrite
11:59 #navit: < jkoan> do you know it it is possible to use markdown in the wiki instead of wiki syntax?
12:02 #navit: < naggety> No, I didn't know
12:02 #navit: < jkoan> okay
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12:20 #navit: < naggety> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
12:20 #navit: < naggety> I does not say anything about markdown, but it seems to be not compatible with wiki style tagging
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15:17 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: you want to fix the wiki: https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/File:Traffic_Data_Model.svg
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17:37 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
17:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: ha, thanks
17:39 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: thanks for taking care of the spam
17:47 #navit: < jkoan> the spam was only a random found
19:33 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: on this wiki page I will document everything about the new mapserver and write a explizit specification for it:
19:33 #navit: < jkoan> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Mapserver_rewrite
19:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep saw it in the "recent changes". nice work!
19:57 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: nice work on that PR. Insightful comments. I need to think about it a bit more
19:58 #navit: < charles__> Take your time. It wants thinking about.
19:59 #navit: < charles__> Also, if there's a test framework, I don't know of it.
20:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> so we have circleci that we use for tests. We used to do more than just build tests, but we haven't ported back the functional testing after switching to v2.
20:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> in v1 we used to start the app and run some routing tests for example
20:46 #navit: < charles__> Meh. I was thinking about a unit test for round_distance_reduced in navigation.c.
20:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah! no we don't have unit testing yet. That shit is quite hard to implement for C programs, never found a really good tool to do it. Do you have recommendations?
22:20 #navit: < charles__> KaZeR: Nope. I've never done it in C.
22:21 #navit: < charles__> Is there any way to display degrees in ddd.ddddddd.... instead of DD MM SS?
22:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: mmm, not sure. where would you use that? in the status bar of the gui or something like that?
22:49 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: You mean tests on Linux, right?
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23:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yes
23:01 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: just checked again. Still no news from FOSDEM
23:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hope next week I am more free again
23:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> slowly catching up in my work in job
23:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: What about the dev-room?
23:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: thanks for the update. i really hope that we get that talk, it would be great
23:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: what's your question about the dev room?
23:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I also hope so. But slowly get a bit nervous ;-)
23:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: you said you wanted to also submit sth for a dev-room
23:09 #navit: < ilovekiruna> so asked if you have prepared anything or how the status is
23:09 #navit: <@KaZeR> ah! haven't prepared anything yet. Let me check the application form
23:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I can apply also for that dev-room, but would be good, if you can prepare sth
23:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i'm re-reading the call for participation
23:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> looks like this is less interactive than what i was expecting. it's still more a talk and less a workshop
23:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yes, exactly
23:12 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i also saw some dev-rooms when i was at FOSDEM 2017
23:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> so i can't really be remotely involved for this one
23:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> probably not that much
23:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> but we can still apply plan B : apply to a dev room talk if our main track talk isn't selected
23:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> sure
23:19 #navit: <@KaZeR> since deadline to apply is Dec 11th
23:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> we just had to condense it quite a bit
23:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> dev-rooms are quite a bit shorter
23:19 #navit: < charles__> KaZeR: Yes, in the GTK status bar.
23:19 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: before lightning was the backup plan, right?
23:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> well they have 25 and 50 minutes slots
23:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: wow, cool
23:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah indeed
23:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I guess  for lightning talks it is too tight now, right?
23:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: so there's two ways to address this. the easy one is to implement that in GTK. the nice one is to implement this in navit's internal, and make it configurable so that the users can select which one to use, for any gui
23:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: too tight in terms of delay to apply or in terms of content?
23:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: too tight in terms of delay
23:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> if you're up for it we could also apply for several slots. main, lightning and dev room. Trying to reach as many people as possible. But since you're the one doing the talks, the call is yours
23:21 #navit: < charles__> Agree. Prefer the nice.
23:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: cool! it isn't *much* harder anyway
23:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I dont mind to apply for different talks, but am sure we need different content in the talks ;-)
23:23 #navit: < charles__> I have the code to do build the formatted strings in my gnome-gps, so that's a matter of porting it over. Then setting a variable that tells the routine which format to use.
23:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: absolutely. we could make the lightning talk a shorter version of the main track, and try to come up with something more technical for the dev room
23:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: first we need to add code to read the attribute from the xml: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/368/files#diff-de474cb155117fbf28fe93edbc6eadb7 is an example of doing so
23:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> couple of things : you need to be mindful of the type group, and you always need to add new attributes at the end of the block to avoid breaking things
23:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: For lightning there are just 3 days left :(
23:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> deadline 24th of Nov
23:25 #navit: < charles__> Can't do it now. I have to break off soon. Get these guys set for their presentation & I'll be back.
23:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i can block some time to help you tomorrow on this, would that work for you?
23:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> charles__: no worries, ping me whenever you need help
23:26 #navit: < charles__> Don't know. Big holiday coming up in the US, so all bets are off.
23:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> you're in the US?
23:26 #navit: <@KaZeR> i thought that you were in UK
23:26 #navit: < charles__> Y.
23:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha! yeah i bet that you've got some turkeys to cook and some lines to attend for black friday :)
23:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> where are you in the US?
23:27 #navit: < charles__> Wyoming. All Black Friday stuff I will do is on line.
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: Would be nice. Right now I just have no idea how good it is to go with two presentations with partially identical content.
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: So not much idea about what to prepare for Lightning talk
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will turn in now. Time to sleep. 
23:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok! I'm in California. Went to Wyoming last year, absolutely loved it. gorgeous landscapes
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: We can discuss tomorrow. Maybe you have some good ideas while i sleep :)
23:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: maybe :)
23:30 #navit: < charles__> KaZeR: Could use some help on that imperial measure stuff.
23:30 #navit: < charles__> In the roadbook.
23:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> sure. where are you stuck?
23:31 #navit: < charles__> I can fix alll the conversions execpt in the first column. Feet look good, but miles use the wrong conversion factor.
23:32 #navit: < charles__> I think I know how to fix, just don't know where.
23:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> looks like this one, correct? http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/780
23:33 #navit: < charles__> No. I think I have the feet issue fixed.
23:34 #navit: < charles__> But I mucked with the #defines for the conversion factors, and I think I messed something up.
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23:34 #navit: < charles__> The problem is in converting to miles.
23:36 #navit: < charles__> Is the code that creates those stings in get_distance_str, in navigation.c?
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