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05:04 #navit: < jkoan> Yep I agree with ilovekiruna I also think appium is somewhat not usable on devices with api levels below 15 (if I remember right).
05:13 #navit: < jkoan> Navit is somewhat specific that we need something like api level 1 but also the last available api level. That's makes it so difficult. One good thing is when we use as much native code than we can. Because that doesn't changed so much over the time. It's native and will stay native. Probably we should only think about adding the gdb server inside debug packages so we can automate from there. So the need from the android side would only be instal…
05:13 #navit: < jkoan> …ling the app, got adb shell, start the app and the gdb server.then we can probably do some automated tests with this. Of course we would need more native testing code, like a gdb test framework? (don't know if this is existing, only thinking)
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07:20 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: problem with ui automation is that even google has changed the mechanisms in android a couple of times
07:21 #navit: < jkoan> yes, i know, id did read some things into this
07:21 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but I would also wonder how large the share of devices with that low api level is among our audience
07:21 #navit: < jkoan> because my devices are so old that ui automation does not exist
07:27 #navit: < jkoan> wait, i can tell you for playstore
07:28 #navit: < jkoan> but i think most old devices do not use google play, then rather use only the apk or fdroid (which we should prefere in that case)
07:36 #navit: < jkoan> the ui automation is available from 18 and up (corrct me if i am wrong). api is android 4.3. all versions before 4.3 have 26,7% of all installations
07:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i remember it to be ICS
07:41 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but i might be wrong
07:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Appium basically is a wrapper for native mechanisms, afaik
07:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I also agree that appium might not be the ultimate solution, for example I would also like Sailfish support, but i still think it is an improvement to the current situation
07:44 #navit: < jkoan> yes of course 
07:51 #navit: < jkoan> ilovekiruna: could you help in the next day to get rid of compiler warnings?
08:47 #navit: < youte> hello
08:48 #navit: < jkoan> hi youte
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11:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
11:28 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR 
11:28 #navit: < jkoan> whats up?
11:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> regarding appium, even if we can't test *all* versions of navit, it would be a step forward to at least test *some*
11:30 #navit: < jkoan> yes ^^ 
13:56 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: could you update the openid provider on wiki according to this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID#Installation ? trac login only makes problems problems because of the openid provider (trac is good)
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14:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll have o look
14:57 #navit: < jkoan> thx
14:57 #navit: < jkoan> then hopefully the issue will be away
14:58 #navit: < jkoan> probably also wiki and trac update? :P
14:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> we need to track that somewhere or i'll forget :)
14:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> also wiki and trac should be up to date from when we migrated
14:59 #navit: < jkoan> right now wiki has not the last stable version 
15:00 #navit: < jkoan> where you want the note? trello, github or trac
15:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> we might ditch trello, so maybe trac or github (but in the org's project, not the repo's project)
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> okay, for now trello?
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> we can discuss the rest later
15:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
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18:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: what do you mean next day?
18:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> tomorrow?
18:23 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hi KaZeR
18:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: somebody else asked earlier today on IRC about acceptance, no answer yet :(
18:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: which warnings are there?
18:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I could i think free some time tomorrow
18:28 #navit: < jkoan> all compiler warnings that happen while build need to be fixed
18:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> on circleci?
18:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or where?
18:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> today was trying to compile sth else, was getting mad on warnings
18:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> especially as the production code had the flag -Werror :(
18:29 #navit: < jkoan> everywhere, also when build localy. all warnings that happen when you hit make
18:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> will u provide me a list?
18:31 #navit: < ilovekiruna> or i just compile on my machine?
18:31 #navit: < jkoan> second option ;)
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hmmm
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> not so convinced
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> i run on a hardened system, with SELinux 
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thats why somethings dont work here so smoothly
18:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> plus, tricky to compare if we discuss
18:33 #navit: < jkoan> every warning needs to be fixed ;)
18:33 #navit: < ilovekiruna> how many are there for you now?
18:49 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: Have you seen https://github.com/qt/qtwebglplugin?
18:50 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would be awesome to then stream our new shiny qt gui to browsers
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19:14 #navit: < MarcR> Hi Guys
19:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Hi MarcR
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19:16 #navit: < MarcR> hi ilovekiruna 
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20:09 #navit: < MarcR> does anyone has played around with qt and bluetooth? - control a phone via qt app ?
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20:50 #navit: < MarcR> exit 
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21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> KaZeR: are you there?
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: KaZeR: the fosdem channel claimed we should get the fosdem results any moment now
21:03 #navit: < ilovekiruna> keep fingers crossed
21:04 #navit: < jkoan> Yep, fingers crossed
21:05 #navit: < jkoan> No I didn't seen the library, will look at it maybe later
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21:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: for navit compiling, do you run cmake in dir or in a seperate build dir?
21:11 #navit: < jkoan> I create a build dir. But the compiler errors are the same
21:14 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for me it already throws me a warning on navit xslt
21:15 #navit: < ilovekiruna> do i need a specific processor?
21:22 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: how do we make sure, that you and me dont fix the sawm warnings? Or will it all be up to me?
21:26 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: I think you have a typo in your announcement of 0.5.1
21:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hope i fixed it
21:27 #navit: < ilovekiruna> fdroid.repo.avit-project.org should be fdroid.rep.navit-project.org
21:29 #navit: < jkoan> Any xslt processor should work at least as far as I know
21:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> I get the following message from Cmake:
21:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> Processing XSLT files: NONE
21:32 #navit: < ilovekiruna> See navit/xslt for available XSLT files, and put them into cache variable 'XSLTS' (without extension .xslt).
21:33 #navit: < jkoan> That's not a error
21:34 #navit: < ilovekiruna> what about teh Policy CMP0026?
21:35 #navit: < jkoan> You don't need a xslt, but you can set one to enable for example gtk out of the box after the build
21:35 #navit: < jkoan> I had a fix for the police, I must only search where
21:38 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: would i be the only one working on the warnings?
21:43 #navit: < jkoan> Kazer and I also
21:43 #navit: < ilovekiruna> how to avoid double work
21:44 #navit: < jkoan> Don't have a idea, any suggestions?
21:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> thats why i asked about a list earlier today
21:47 #navit: < jkoan> Probably you create the list? :X probably the easiest
21:50 #navit: < ilovekiruna> this is what i got now: https://pastebin.com/9QZGVxMY
21:53 #navit: < jkoan> i already fixed the first one with system()
21:54 #navit: < ilovekiruna> feels like quite a few are unused results
21:54 #navit: < jkoan> and that one: https://pastebin.com/7JCt5GmS
21:55 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :)
21:58 #navit: < ilovekiruna> jkoan: u saw my message on the draft on github?
21:58 #navit: < jkoan> Yep
21:58 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hope it is fine now
21:58 #navit: < jkoan> We are not sure about the url scheme anyway ;)
21:59 #navit: < ilovekiruna> :-o
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