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00:39 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:39 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:39 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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14:52 #navit: < ntom> hello, is it possible replace original software on tomtom one xl? I would installing navit? Is possible?
14:58 #navit: < ntom> nobody?
14:58 #navit: < jkoan> oh hi ntom
14:58 #navit: < ntom> hello
14:58 #navit: < jkoan> sorry i missed your question
14:58 #navit: < jkoan> yes it is possible
14:59 #navit: < jkoan> does your tomtom xl has a own sd card slot?
15:00 #navit: < ntom> to make a backup of security just connect the device via microusb and copy the files?
15:01 #navit: < ntom> I use debian
15:01 #navit: < jkoan> thats why i was asking if you have a sd card slot on the tomtom itself. if yes you could just buy a new card and use that card instead of the original one
15:03 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: you should be there, it's been a while since I use it. I remember yes
15:04 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: are there italian voices and maps?
15:05 #navit: < jkoan> then you can just buy a new sd card and replace it with the original one. On the new card you just unzip our software: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/releases for a new card you need tomtom minimal
15:06 #navit: < jkoan> itallian map is defenetly there. i am not sure about voice
15:07 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: navitom_minimal-0.5.1-rc1.zip correctly?
15:07 #navit: < jkoan> yep
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15:08 #navit: < jkoan> the sd card itself should be fat formated
15:09 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: vfat(fat32)?
15:10 #navit: < jkoan> oh wait, i missed something, minimal is not enought. its only navit but the new system is missing (we/i are/am working on a complete new device for all tomtom devices)
15:10 #navit: < jkoan> yes
15:11 #navit: < jkoan> this is what the new system will be: https://github.com/navit-gps/NavitTom but currently my tomtom is broken :/
15:13 #navit: < jkoan> ntom: are you also a programmer/dev?
15:13 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: no
15:14 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: I'm learning now
15:14 #navit: < jkoan> nice :)
15:14 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: I have a few experience of programming
15:14 #navit: < jkoan> which language?
15:15 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: quick basic on dos, visual basic on windows, something c
15:16 #navit: < ntom> now I'm studing java
15:16 #navit: < jkoan> with c you coult perfectly help at navit and java is also used by us for the android app
15:18 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: if I unpacked the archive you posted to me works?
15:18 #navit: < jkoan> the first one?
15:19 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: yes
15:19 #navit: < jkoan> sorry, but no. this was my mistake. 
15:20 #navit: < jkoan> wait a second i will provide a working image (it only has an outdated navit for now)
15:20 #navit: < jkoan> https://circleci.com/api/v1/project/navit-gps/NavitTom/latest/artifacts/0/home/ubuntu/NavitTom/target/opentom.tar.gz?branch=master&filter=successful 
15:21 #navit: < jkoan> this one should work. just unpack the contend ot the opentom folder into the root of the sd card. The ttsystem image needs to be inside the sd card root
15:26 #navit: < ntom> when I find you on this channel? I need to organize myself. I must first find my tomtom and the sd.
15:28 #navit: < jkoan> i will appartly be online until 19:00 UTC
15:30 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: even in the next days?
15:32 #navit: < jkoan> in the coming days i cant promise, after chrismas i should be normally available from 8 to 19 UTC but this is not guaranteed. but i have this channel also on my smartphone so i should get avery message and somebody will answer in the next hours. so just check http://irclogs.navit.ie/
15:37 #navit: < ntom> jkoan: thank you very much
15:37 #navit: < jkoan> no problem
15:38 #navit: < ntom> see you
15:38 #navit: < jkoan> see you
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16:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
17:00 #navit: < jkoan> hi KaZeR
17:01 #navit: <@KaZeR> 'sup jkoan ?
17:02 #navit: < jkoan> 2 out of 5 exams done :D   
17:02 #navit: < jkoan> and for you?
17:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> no exams in sight for me \o/ :)
17:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> but holidays are coming. it's going to be nice
17:07 #navit: < jkoan> :D yes, thats probably good. 
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17:18 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: whats on your todo for rc2 ? fix for wince?
17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> yep i think that's pretty much it
17:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have a trip planned this week-end, this will be a good opportunity to test it before the release too
17:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> ything on your end?
17:34 #navit: < jkoan> setup the repository's for deb and rpm but after chrismas and probaböy the android intent 
17:38 #navit: <@KaZeR> sweet
17:47 #navit: < jkoan> but before i can setup the real upload to the repo's we need to finish the version thing and cmake rework
17:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> version thing? 
17:54 #navit: < jkoan> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/376 this
17:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> 2017-12-13 15:47:34     @KaZeR  jkoan: for #376 i wonder if we shouldn't use an empty sha instead of that string set(GIT_OUTPUT_HASH "xdevxgitxnotxfound")
18:00 #navit: < jkoan> this would brake things (i think i said that before)
18:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> sorry i missed that reply. what would break?
18:06 #navit: < jkoan> if we build packages with that has it would be empty if there is a error
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18:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> where do we check for that empty string? cmake would complain?
18:18 #navit: < jkoan> right now we dont do something like that. i think it would be possible to also use a empty string, right. but then i need to rework it again next week
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18:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> what would be the issue of just setting that value to "" ? 
18:31 #navit: < jkoan> i i rethink the thig there will not problems :D my mistake 
18:33 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Hi KaZeR
18:33 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Hi jkoan
18:33 #navit: < jkoan> Hi AVIC-MRZ02
18:38 #navit: < jkoan> AVIC-MRZ02: what's up? :) anything new?
18:38 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> Today, I change the file format of 'navit.xml' to 'Windows' (from UNIX), just to check if it is parsing because parser was a non-linux one. But now way, again I got the same error.
18:39 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: what about testing AVIC-MRZ02's problem with a minimalistic config file?
18:43 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> I started to think, may be there is a program or something which prevents execution of navit somehow (may be by blocking files, I don't know)
18:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: we tried yesterday with the wince config that was shipped with navit-0.2.0, but no luck. Last idea we discussed was to add some code to actually read the file before passing it to the parser, to check if we can really access it
18:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: regarding #376, cool. want to submit an update to the PR?
18:45 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: about #376: yes but I will start working on it after Christmas
18:46 #navit: < jkoan> About the wince thing : are we have the ezxml library built into navit or only relaying on the system one?
18:46 #navit: <@KaZeR> what do we need aside from changing the "xgitx..." lines ?
18:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> we use a built-in one yes
18:48 #navit: < jkoan> For the PR I will look through all areas of the project to make sure that a empty string will not brake anything
18:48 #navit: < jkoan> What about a included one?
18:49 #navit: < jkoan> AVIC-MRZ02: Navit I potentially not blocked in any case, we can write the log file so why the head should be so intelligent to detect it is relevant to navit. That would not make much sense.
18:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: i doubt that wince ships with an xml parsing lib
18:51 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> jkoan: You're right, there is no need to detect.
18:54 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> When "navi.exe" is not running all other programs (by all other I mean an Audio-Video application) slows down.
18:55 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> May be unit tries to execute it again and again BUT if this was the case there must be a very long log file which is not.
18:56 #navit: <@KaZeR> lol that seems counter intuitive :)
19:00 #navit: < jkoan> AVIC-MRZ02: so you want to say we should fix navit so you can again listen to music :D
19:02 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> :)) No it's OK, while installing Navit, I didn't remove Navi (it's original app), I'm just locating that executable back.
19:11 #navit: < jkoan> KaZeR: just try to use ezxml_parse_file instead of fd?
19:15 #navit: < jkoan> Or direct copy the content of the wrapper :D https://github.com/lxfontes/ezxml/blob/master/ezxml.c#L605
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20:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: we could use parse_file, but it's pretty much the same code already
20:43 #navit: < jkoan> Hm okay
20:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> i'll code a quick test to read the file from navit, just need to finish something else before
20:53 #navit: < AVIC-MRZ02> jkoan & KaZeR: I've to go now (I'll wake up early). Tomorrow night I'll be here around the same time. See you.
20:54 #navit: < jkoan> See you
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21:59 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey ilovekiruna 
22:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> hey KaZeR
22:02 #navit: < ilovekiruna> u saw my messages on FOSDEM?
22:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> i saw that we didn't get accepted yeah
22:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> we should probably resubmit for a lightning talk and a devroom
22:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> not sure, if devroom is suitable
22:17 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for lightning talks we just have 15 mins, it is written
22:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> yes, but we could butcher the slides to make it fit, no?
22:30 #navit: < ilovekiruna> yes
22:30 #navit: < ilovekiruna> would u first sort out what you would like to drop
22:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> sure we can start by that yeah
22:40 #navit: < ilovekiruna> not  sure, but i guess we have 20 mins left
22:41 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh shit
22:42 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's the link to the file again?
22:42 #navit: < ilovekiruna> in the nextcloud folder
22:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> for now, I uploaded the full pdf
22:45 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but hope we get a smaller one before midnight
22:46 #navit: < ilovekiruna> which is in my time zone in 15 minutes
22:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> for a lightning talk we probably want to avoid the slides that are too technical and just give an overall overview. can you remove just a few slides that are either redundant or too technical?
22:52 #navit: < ilovekiruna> am down to 22 slides
23:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> maybe a couple more?
23:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> that would just work by removing parts of the agenda
23:10 #navit: < ilovekiruna> have you access to our owncloud/nextcloud directory?
23:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> on my other machine yes
23:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> maybe u can check, i see if i can upload a new version still later on
23:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> btw: today had problems with navit on android
23:24 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it took really long till it navigated me
23:25 #navit: < ilovekiruna> had to drive quite lone till it guided me, was driving more by my "own" navigation or feeling
23:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> what do you mean? it took long to compute a route?
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> it showed me correctly the air distance to the place
23:28 #navit: < ilovekiruna> and the icon was also moving along the road
23:29 #navit: < ilovekiruna> but no instructions or hints which roads to take
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23:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> was that on a new road? it sounds like something i know 
23:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/1296
23:35 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you have the gps track by any chance?
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