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00:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey pmckinley 
00:44 #navit: < pmckinley> :-D
00:45 #navit: < pmckinley> hey KaZeR
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13:43 #navit: <+jkoan> hi @all
13:43 #navit: <+jkoan> KaZeR: shuldent it be possible to setup navit with gui=null?
13:52 #navit: <+jkoan> ah, got it, need to set a gui but grafics=null
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16:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
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16:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi jandegr 
16:31 #navit: < aerostitch> Hi KaZeR
16:31 #navit: <@KaZeR> hey aerostitch 
16:32 #navit: < jandegr> hi folks
16:32 #navit: < aerostitch> you've tested navit with the hardening flags like pie or even better hardening=+all
16:33 #navit: < aerostitch> right?
16:33 #navit: <@KaZeR> aerostitch: nop. at least not myself. Sounds like a good use case for circleci
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> is something breaking in Debian?
16:34 #navit: < aerostitch> just asking because I'm building the new debian package today and I want to add it
16:34 #navit: < aerostitch> not yet
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> ok
16:34 #navit: <@KaZeR> well, it's still a good use case for circleci :D
16:34 #navit: < aerostitch> but it's something that's been asked to do
16:39 #navit: < aerostitch> By the way, I've been wanting to verify that https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601135 could be closed or if there was something else to do on it
16:40 #navit: <@KaZeR> asked? where and by who?
16:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> well regarding that bug Sebastian tagged it as wontfix.. which makes sense i think
16:44 #navit: < aerostitch> in debian by the policy https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening
16:44 #navit: <@KaZeR> btw, Gilles in in this channel (although being quite quiet) : poke pini :)
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16:49 #navit: < aerostitch> Yep I know
16:49 #navit: < aerostitch> I added a note for the hardening flags: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/projects/4#card-9415527
16:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have mixed feelings about notes. Someone else cannot comment on notes
16:58 #navit: <@KaZeR> (but projects are definitely a good idea)
17:14 #navit: < aerostitch> you can transform notes into issues when you start to tackle it
17:15 #navit: < aerostitch> when you do you can develop more on the description etc
17:15 #navit: < aerostitch> the notes are really what their name says: notes for not forgetting an idea like you do when you use a sticky note
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah, i actually always convert them. Because in notes you also can't have assignees, etc. 
17:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> but yeah i get your point. works for me then
17:17 #navit: < aerostitch> I make notes because I get the idea and I don't know when I'll get to it (and I already pollute a lot the issues stack with my ideas I think! :D )
17:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> no that's fine. in that context, if we convert them, it's totally cool
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17:48 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: would you mind having a look at the missing translations here: https://translations.launchpad.net/navit/trunk/+pots/navit/nl/+translate?show=untranslated ?
17:53 #navit: < jandegr> will have to recover my pw somewhere,
17:53 #navit: < jandegr> but now I have you on the phone,
17:54 #navit: < jandegr> I noticed recently that on android we now have a useless and not working entry in gui_internal ""networkstatus""
17:54 #navit: < jandegr> would you know what that's for kazer ?
17:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> network info? or network status?
17:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/228 
17:57 #navit: < jandegr> will switch to navit vanilla to test again
18:08 #navit: < jandegr> network info entry is there on Android, but nothing happens when clicked
18:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> probably because of that : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/gui/internal/gui_internal_command.c#L1355
18:12 #navit: <@KaZeR> so we could 1) find how to make it work for android or 2) remove that entry for android (and probably win*) : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/navit/navit_shipped.xml#L95 
18:12 #navit: < jandegr> the thing is it is added to navit.xml for all platforms in the world, no matter what
18:12 #navit: < jandegr> indeed :)
18:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah.. kind of crappy :)
18:13 #navit: < jandegr> I have been wanting to tackle an issue with xml for a while
18:13 #navit: < jandegr> anything for linux is added to navit.xml and done
18:14 #navit: < jandegr> platforms are confronted with irrelevant entries and useless comments (for that platform) in xml
18:14 #navit: < jandegr> a solution could be to have a generic xml and linux do xslt as well
18:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> seems like a good fit for the discussion going on there : https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/559
18:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> but i agree that the xml has maybe grown out of control
18:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh looks like you commented there
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19:20 #navit: <+jkoan> Or even better no need for a giant xml config file. Clarify the defaults and move layouts to a single directory which could be configured in the main configuration. Also items should not need to be so nested in the main configuration.
19:22 #navit: <+jkoan> Move layouts to a directory (which is not entirely preloaded) would also give the chance to support other layout providers like the titlemill format which would give a really nice tool for map artists
20:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: so treat layouts like maps, basically, right?
20:16 #navit: <+jkoan> Yes, but with the addition that thy are loaded on demand
20:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> this would allow packaging layouts assets (images) with the layouts themselves). i like that idea
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