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00:29 #navit: < Navit> The following compiles failed: http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv5te/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/osm-exp/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/src/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/openmoko/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/win32/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/n
00:29 #navit: < Navit> oad.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_armv4t/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/android_x86/svn/navit-svn-.failed http://download.navit-project.org/logs/navit/tomtom/svn/navit-svn-.failed
00:29 #navit: < Navit> See compile results history at http://legacy.navit-project.org/logs/navit/stats.html
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06:48 #navit: < aerostitch> so I'm almost done preparing the 0.5.1 release for debian, just a few bumps to fix and it should be good to go
06:48 #navit: < aerostitch> I'll probably work on them tomorrow
06:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> nice!
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14:43 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> hi all
14:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: regarding #569, are we dropping the QT5 interface?
14:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> in my opinion it would be pretty unfortunate, especially also with regards to Sailfish
14:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: absolutely not!
14:55 #navit: <@KaZeR> qml is for qt4, qml2 is for qt5
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15:01 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> good to know :)
15:02 #navit: <@KaZeR> :)
15:04 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> if i understand the discussion about splitting navit.xml correctly, it also means I need to implement my idea of a zoomed simplified auxmap differently
15:04 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> could u please give me some hints for that?
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16:37 #navit: < aerostitch> Hi @all, could you make sure you read https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/569#issuecomment-386043441 and voice any concerns & help you would need to get your branch up-to-date once the change would be in please?
16:38 #navit: < aerostitch> If you want me to rebase your branches once this is in, let me know which ones and I'll do it, no issue
16:54 #navit: <@KaZeR> thanks aerostitch 
17:41 #navit: < jandegr> hi kazer
17:41 #navit: < jandegr> what is the future of the pesestrian plugin ?
17:41 #navit: < jandegr> pedestrian
17:42 #navit: < jandegr> most will not know what it is, so I did not make an issue to discuss it
17:49 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: good question. i doubt that it does compile anymore, does it?
17:51 #navit: < jandegr> last year or so it sill compiled
17:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> oh good
17:52 #navit: < jandegr> but I removed it rom the default android build because nobody (0) use it
17:52 #navit: < jandegr> but doing so it became dead code ....
17:54 #navit: < jandegr> AFAIK that was academic/experimental, not for real usage
17:55 #navit: < jandegr> I got it running several years ago, and stuff happened on the screen but since it is undocumented I left it for what it was
18:00 #navit: < jandegr> https://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Augmented_Reality
18:01 #navit: < jandegr> canceled (31/12/2011)  ????????
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18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i doubt that it's still used. we used to keep it mostly because it was a good reference about how to implement a plugin
18:15 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> about the pedestrian plugin: I am regularly using it
18:17 #navit: < jandegr> really ?
18:17 #navit: < jandegr> interesting
18:18 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> prefer it over using google maps
18:18 #navit: < jandegr> are you sure we're talking about the same thing ?
18:21 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jandegr: do you mean when i use the pedestrian profile?
18:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> i think that ilovekiruna is talking about the routing profile :)
18:22 #navit: < jandegr> no, the augmented reality thing
18:22 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> ah, sorry, my bad
18:22 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: you are absolutely right
18:23 #navit: < jandegr> in the wiki it is called augmented reality, in the codebases it is the pedestrian plugin, for clarity :)
18:23 #navit: <+jkoan> bu i used it (the AR thing) some time ago, but then it was not available anymore in android...
18:24 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: lol
18:25 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: oh interesting. might be worth looking into fixing it then. it might still be a cool technical demo
18:25 #navit: < jandegr> jkoan if it is really usefull we could bring it back in the builds
18:26 #navit: < jandegr> but AFAIK it is either document its usage and maintain (or een improve it) or drop it, the grey zone inbetween is rainy
18:28 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: you saw my question on the split navit.xml?
18:29 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: agreed. The nice thing is that it's a rather small piece of code, so it should be easy to clean up and document
18:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: i have, but i don't see what this would affect your auxmap work
18:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> s/what/why/
18:31 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: I am a bit confused now where to implement it ;-) Still in the big monolitic xml or already in a modularized one
18:34 #navit: < jandegr> fingers crossed https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/7550
18:36 #navit: < jandegr> jkoan it is several years ago I tested the pedestrian plugin so I don't remember anymore how to engage it
18:39 #navit: <+jkoan> you mean how to use it?
18:40 #navit: < jandegr> yes, is it on by default ?
18:40 #navit: < jandegr> will require a bit of debugging java.lang.RuntimeException: Fail to connect to camera service
18:40 #navit: <+jkoan> i dont remember
18:40 #navit: <+jkoan> there you need to give the camera permission
18:50 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: the splitted xml isn't guaranteed to be done yet, discussion is still ongoing. So for now maybe stick with the monolithic one
18:51 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: ok, thanks for the clarification
18:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> would be really cool if you guys could get that plugin to work again
18:51 #navit: <@KaZeR> np ilovekiruna 
18:56 #navit: < jandegr> I am willing to reanimate it but it would be nice if kazer and jkoan would decide on wether gradle would be adopted or not
18:56 #navit: < jandegr> I can work twice as fast with gradle, would be a lot of help for this plugin
18:57 #navit: <+jkoan> I would be really really proud if we would merge it as fast as possible
18:57 #navit: < jandegr> AFAIK gradle requires some work for the signing and publish the apk's
18:57 #navit: < jandegr> but that is out of my reach
18:58 #navit: <+jkoan> But this should be possible quiet soon. I think we can merge it just notlw if it compiles the apk's in debug mode fine and continue with it in trunk because trunk is our dev Branche
19:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> jandegr: i can handle signing if you generate an apk using gradle
19:04 #navit: <@KaZeR> as i said in the PR, i don't care much personally about ant vs gradle as i barely touch the android code
19:05 #navit: < jandegr> the choice is up to jkoan then :)
19:05 #navit: <+jkoan> KaZeR: apk signing is build in gradle so we dont need to do the "ugly" why using shell ;)
19:06 #navit: <+jkoan> i vote for merge ^^
19:07 #navit: < jandegr> ok will do
19:07 #navit: <+jkoan> :)
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: what about the key management?
19:08 #navit: <+jkoan> we need to provide the path for sure
19:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> we're still going to need some tricks to get the file uploaded to google playstore anyway
19:09 #navit: <+jkoan> what about fastlane? ;)
19:09 #navit: < jandegr> is tis good for a title rework:Android:Gradle ??
19:10 #navit: <+jkoan> probably a bit mor at the last path since we generate the Changelog directly from it
19:10 #navit: < jandegr> can you give the correct title then ?
19:10 #navit: <+jkoan> probably: rework:android:Move build system from ant to grandle
19:10 #navit: < jandegr> ok
19:10 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: fastlane looks good
19:11 #navit: <+jkoan> i know :D
19:11 #navit: <+jkoan> therfor i already created a repo for the metadata (which should be used by fdroid in the future)
19:13 #navit: < jandegr> will be back with a demo of the pedestrian plugin some time in the future :)
19:14 #navit: <+jkoan> and i will try to build for fdroid ;)
19:14 #navit: <+jkoan> usinf docker image and grandle
19:15 #navit: < jandegr> bye
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19:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: jandegr merged the gradle PR. we need to update the code that updates the download center now
19:16 #navit: <+jkoan> i have seen :D also we dont need the Id thing from line 12
19:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> and we need a non-debug apk for the playstore. He was a bit too quick to pull the trigger
19:18 #navit: <+jkoan> yeah, i dident thought he will merge it directly :D but thats not so bad :D cleanup is a easy task :D
19:19 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> for the beta channel on the play store, I would suggest to put maybe the commit messages as what's new
19:19 #navit: <+jkoan> but when ready could we crate a 0.5.1.1 just for fdroid? 
19:20 #navit: <+jkoan> ilovekiruna: do you mean like a changelog?
19:21 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: yes, right now i think the latest update still showed that "bug reports are disabled because of privacy policy"
19:22 #navit: <+jkoan> why not directly a real and good changelog?
19:22 #navit: <+jkoan> with all messages and so on?
19:22 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I also wouldnt mind
19:23 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> i just wanted to point out, it would be nice to have a more often updated changelog ;-)
19:43 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah i think aerostitch might be able to help on that
19:51 #navit: <+jkoan> Basically it would be to convert the git changelog into a array which could be displayed within navit, right?
19:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: that was kind a my idea
19:55 #navit: <+jkoan> I would like if we could make this as a plugin ^^ because the changelog ifselt is not relevant for navit and on small devices like wince everyone wo wants could stripe out this ;)
19:56 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: my argument would be just have it such detailled for beta-testers
19:56 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> the others shouldnt care that much, as you say
20:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> jkoan: not within navit. as a file that we attach to the apk when we publish it
20:53 #navit: <+jkoan> But a plugin (this is not directly within navit) would work for all platforms ;)
21:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> a plugin for the changelog?
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