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10:12 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> HI all
10:12 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> any reason, why I time to time lose access to the channel?
10:22 #navit: < genesis> no idea.
10:28 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> got the message cannot send to nick/channel
11:00 #navit: < genesis> ilovekiruna : do you have autologin on reconnect ?
11:00 #navit: < genesis> since the channel is +r
11:00 #navit: < genesis> due to spam bot
11:01 #navit: < genesis> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=59404407fb3c3a09df0eafad51444a2b <- new islands, climate change is an hoax^^
11:15 #navit: < genesis> hehe i'm reading your ebuild to fix the xkbd pb on nixos ilovekiruna :)
11:17 #navit: < genesis> since i was on gentoo for more that 14 years, i translate ebuild to nix derivation.
11:19 #navit: < genesis> xkbd seems dead too.
11:20 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/mahatma-kaganovich/xkbd/releases forks here.
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> my ebuild?
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> wow
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> always feels strange if any of my stuff gets noticed
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> honestly, wondering if it still works
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> all other channels were active, gentoo, gentoo-de
11:30 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> only navit left out
11:35 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> genesis,: if you want I can test the build before you reimplement sth not working
11:37 #navit: < genesis> i don't run gentoo anymore :)
11:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> but i still do :-D
11:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> quite happily
11:38 #navit: < genesis> you have to try nixos :)
11:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> use flags?
11:38 #navit: < genesis> i was running gentoo since 2004.0 version
11:38 #navit: < genesis> we have better solution than use flag
11:38 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> what is that?
11:38 #navit: < genesis> you can derivate all 
11:39 #navit: < genesis> not just our support flag.
11:40 #navit: < genesis> and why i left gentoo ? nightmare due to conflict package, on nixos, you have nix/store and you can have as many version of the same thing, since it's not populate in an FHS tree
11:40 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> dont get teh advantage yet
11:40 #navit: < genesis> we have a binary cache on a cloud
11:40 #navit: < genesis> gentoo update : 3 days and many headache fix conflict
11:41 #navit: < genesis> nixos update : 3 min 
11:41 #navit: < genesis> nix can be use on gentoo
11:41 #navit: < genesis> if you want to test the nix/store
11:41 #navit: < genesis> emerge nix :)
11:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> nixos sounds to me a bit like the in my opinion nightmare with flatpaks, snapaks
11:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> etc.
11:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> same ideas
11:41 #navit: < genesis> yeap
11:41 #navit: < genesis> nixos is older than gentoo
11:41 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> not a fan of that
11:42 #navit: < genesis> that solve the pbs in an elegant way
11:42 #navit: < genesis> i say that as a linux professionnal, i've worked to make distribution
11:42 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> creates potentially many outdated versions of libraries
11:42 #navit: < genesis> openembedded on aldebaran robot
11:42 #navit: < genesis> etc
11:42 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> so a managemnt nightmare in my opinon
11:43 #navit: < genesis> oki let it be.
11:43 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> btw: when did nixOS start?
11:44 #navit: < genesis> 2003
11:44 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> gentoo was started 2000 i think
11:44 #navit: < genesis> you're right.
11:45 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> but it is interesting that nixos is that old
11:45 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> thought it was much younger
11:45 #navit: < genesis> as old as i would say, anyway, i've no action in nixos :)
11:46 #navit: < genesis> but i was a "powered user" of gentoo, work as professionnal with it , and when i discoverd nixos, i was very happy 
11:46 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> am sure, if i liked the idea of flatpaks and snappaks, I would also like nixos
11:46 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> i understand your complete argument
11:46 #navit: < genesis> and contribution on gentoo was also a nightmare
11:47 #navit: < genesis> i'm happy to collaborate on the nixos systeme, i made in 3 months more package i did on gentoo
11:47 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> am not contributing to gentoo apart from my private repo, you found
11:47 #navit: < genesis> portage is broken python apps
11:48 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> is nixos rolling?
11:48 #navit: < genesis> yes
11:48 #navit: < genesis> but you have a stable channel
11:48 #navit: < genesis> as you can install per user since it wont populate the /
11:49 #navit: < genesis> you can use stable channel for system, and be bleeding edge with unstable on a user profile
11:49 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> that is not in / i rather see as a disadvantage
11:51 #navit: < genesis> i can't explain all the magic :)
11:51 #navit: < genesis> but i discovered nixos when i was working on appimage
11:52 #navit: < genesis> was a contributor, and searching to solve our pb, and then all was already solve by nix, so i quit appimage .
11:53 #navit: < genesis> btw, i've to finished the xkbd derivation and fix my navit :p
11:53 #navit: < genesis> i wonder if you know a bit about speech in navit ?
11:54 #navit: < genesis> i'd like to know what is the best support between all the option.
11:54 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I think for this you better ask someone else, not really sure on that
12:31 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/45623/files hop, xkbd packaged , now fix that in navit :)
12:33 #navit: < genesis> work fine.
12:35 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> where are the "use flags" in that file?
12:37 #navit: < genesis> i don't care for such small things
12:38 #navit: < genesis> if people want more granularity, he'll fork, now we have something, the best is ennemy of the good.
12:38 #navit: < genesis> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=34e0eea5a39801d08acdffa45d34cab4 :)
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