--- Log opened Fri Sep 07 00:00:43 2018
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09:59 #navit: < genesis> hi
10:02 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/rossy/mpv-winbuild-cmake/blob/ra-d3d/toolchain/CMakeLists.txt#L66
10:02 #navit: < genesis> seems a good way to manage 3rd party without blob them in the navit sourcE.
12:02 #navit: <+jkoan> I also had this idea :D but you are right that we could set this up
12:04 #navit: < genesis> i sum up here https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/660 and wait for a windows user to do it.
12:05 #navit: < genesis> better thing to do than help privative software user.
12:05 #navit: < genesis> (for free)
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14:33 #navit: < genesis> jkoan  : i'm looking at tomtom device since it's builtin cheap linux gps
14:33 #navit: < genesis> can it be turned into a media center for a motorhome ?
14:35 #navit: < genesis> which model to follow, xenos1984 ?
14:55 #navit: < genesis> https://www.tomtomax.fr/tableau-recapitulatif-tomtom-nav3.html no audio output on nav3 gen :o
15:09 #navit: <+jkoan> genesis: yes, you can basically build everything
15:09 #navit: <+jkoan> For navit I build a NavitTom distro ;)
15:09 #navit: < genesis> i saw that
15:10 #navit: < genesis> but that seems very old fashion.
15:12 #navit: < genesis> i need rear-view camera support (bluetooth?) and be able to port bluetooth software 
15:12 #navit: < genesis> i'm hesitating between cheap tablet pc or gps, that's cheaper and works out of the box.
15:13 #navit: < genesis> (speaking of that, i should debug the j1850 plugin
15:14 #navit: < genesis> with my cheapest obd2 bluetooth dongle)
15:29 #navit: <+jkoan> I bought a older tomtom Navi which has a serial console over uart exposed. So I will try to update the kernel and use buildroot to generate the image.
15:29 #navit: <+jkoan> But this will need quite some time
15:33 #navit: < genesis> yep, i prefered openembedded when i was working
15:33 #navit: < genesis> but i'd be curious to see how nixos works for cross building OS.
15:34 #navit: < genesis> i don't want to put my hand in the bootloader process anymore for personal usage
15:42 #navit: < genesis> second hand TomTom GO LIVE 825 XL for 60€ vs cheapest chinese better hw, donno.
15:42 #navit: <+jkoan> On tomtom devices with SD card you can't brake the boot process
15:43 #navit: <+jkoan> I got a go 300 for 12€ including shipping two weeks ago
15:44 #navit: < genesis> seems cheap :D
15:45 #navit: < genesis> but it's nav1 gen
15:47 #navit: < genesis> https://www.tomtomax.fr/tomtom-caracteristiques-completes.html french but complete
15:48 #navit: < genesis> gen4 -> 512MB 
15:48 #navit: < genesis> gen3 -> 128
15:48 #navit: < genesis> gen2 -> 32/64
15:50 #navit: <+jkoan> Ram or Rom?
15:51 #navit: < genesis> ram
15:52 #navit: <+jkoan> Interesting, didn't know about those gen3 and 4
15:53 #navit: < genesis> https://www.tomtomax.fr/tableau-recapitulatif-tomtom-nav4.html 
15:56 #navit: <+jkoan> Okay, tomtom gen4 has other software and bootloader. This isn't supported by NavitTom. And I can't make it support because I don't have such a test device
15:58 #navit: < genesis> i should look if i find information
15:59 #navit: < genesis> perhaps xenos1984 would say some words about
16:00 #navit: < genesis> they drop bluetooth, bad this hw are stucked to gps only, not "vehicle center".
16:08 #navit: <@KaZeR> hi there
16:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> genesis: how about a setup based on a raspberry pi ?
16:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> > i should debug the j1850 plugin  
16:11 #navit: <@KaZeR> what's wrong with it? :D
16:11 #navit: < genesis> don't remember but that complain when i compile it, i've enough PR and stuff opened
16:11 #navit: < genesis> and i need a gps :)
16:13 #navit: < genesis> (and my motorhome has no obd, so my car is not priority, i've to rewrite obd2 stuff with python and jupyter, had an old diagnostic jupyter to finished )
16:13 #navit: <@KaZeR> genesis: my carputer setup mark II : https://hackaday.io/project/3070-the-cherokee-carputer 
16:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> mark III is based on a raspberry pi 3 instead of the NUC
16:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> the j1850 plugin was written initially to get the steering wheel controls to work with audio playback in navit
16:15 #navit: < genesis> i wonder if i'll need to write a rear-view camera plugin :O
16:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> well with qt and a RCA to usb module it isn't hard
16:16 #navit: <@KaZeR> i have a proof of concept somewhere
16:16 #navit: < genesis> KaZeR : fine realisation but i want quickly and i've enough with working on this motorhome, i need to go on trip
16:17 #navit: < genesis> i change the cylinder head gasket, so a lot of work since a year of unemployement
16:17 #navit: < genesis> yes rca to usb could be cheaper and reliable
16:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha! one way is to buy one of the screens that has the connector to "sense" when the vehicle is in reverse. then the switch is automatic
16:17 #navit: <@KaZeR> (this is what i was using on mark II)
16:18 #navit: < genesis> you don't tell about price :D
16:18 #navit: <@KaZeR> rca to usb : the dongle i have is probably $10-$15 i think. a pi3 and its screen would be ~$100
16:20 #navit: <@KaZeR> the screen with reverse sensing that i have is a lilliput 669 GL. seems to sell for ~70 nowadays
16:20 #navit: < genesis> add 15€ for a gps usb dongle, and éà
16:20 #navit: < genesis> + 20%  vat since i live in a communist country
16:21 #navit: <@KaZeR> you can probably source the parts directly in France.. also 1e = $0.8 so this makes it up for the VAT :)
16:22 #navit: < genesis> it's end of summer and need to go, not to work on a carputer , that's my point
16:22 #navit: <@KaZeR> valid point
16:22 #navit: < genesis> want to buy a second hand not so bad gps i could put navit later, find no information about recend tomtom hacked
16:23 #navit: < genesis> in a period of store (windows, macstore and so) , they closed their stuff, stupid company
16:23 #navit: <@KaZeR> have to go afk 1h or so
16:24 #navit: < genesis> see u later
16:24 #navit: < genesis> The carputer runs on Gentoo :D
16:24 #navit: < genesis> that should increase motor horsepower :')
16:27 #navit: < genesis> no linux desktop support on latest tomtom gps ...
16:27 #navit: < genesis> "use wine or virtualbox"
17:54 #navit: < genesis> OR we should open and hack another devices :) i saw nothing since years on the net 
17:54 #navit: < genesis> (about gps device hacking)
18:06 #navit: <+jkoan> The last device I hacked was a Navigon with wince, but it's not worth to run anything on it. It totally garbage because also the Touchscreen is shitty
18:07 #navit: < genesis> tomtom devices seems good quality , but pricy and old tech, compare a quadcore android chinese stuff 7" gps for 50$ 
18:13 #navit: < genesis> i wonder if tangogps TangoGPS / FoxtrotGPS code can be interesting to port  
18:14 #navit: <@KaZeR> genesis: exactly :) (Gentoo)
18:15 #navit: < genesis> i should have already say that but i've switched from gentoo to nixos few weeks ago.
18:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> genesis: if you can run tango/foxtrot, you can run navit. We have one of the most portable software imo
18:15 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah you mentioned it. I should try nixos somedayu
18:19 #navit: < genesis> if someone can put all 3rd party under a navit-gps repository umbrella, would be not long and be ready for people with no right to do it to write the externalstuff feature
18:20 #navit: < genesis> and i think we could have some people interested by this component and perharps fix bug on them when they would never fetch our navit repo
18:21 #navit: < genesis> (per project, not the main thing but espeak-c , shape , fib, stuff like that)
18:33 #navit: < genesis> could add a coverity on that old stuff to detect possible drawback
18:33 #navit: < genesis> coverity on github works well last time i use it
18:47 #navit: <@KaZeR> yeah we use coverity too. Only drawback is that it doesn't post back to PRs as of today but maybe we could script that
19:05 #navit: < genesis> KaZeR : on what part of navit you're working on this time ?
19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> it depends :)
19:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> i spent a fair amount of time working on the CI for example. It's quite stable now, so maybe i should go back to the QML2 UI
19:28 #navit: <@KaZeR> we have so much to do sometimes it's difficult to pick
19:55 #navit: < genesis> oki.
20:05 #navit: <@KaZeR> do you like to write code?
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