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17:47 #navit: < aerostitch> jkoan, KaZeR: https://github.com/MaxKellermann/cegcc-build seems interesting
17:47 #navit: < aerostitch> looks like a tentative to build cegcc including all the deps
17:48 #navit: < aerostitch> Seems the current issue with the libmpfr version is not the only one
17:48 #navit: < aerostitch> so 2 possibilities:
17:49 #navit: < aerostitch> 1. work on cegcc to make it use newer versions (cleaner but might be tedious)
17:49 #navit: < aerostitch> 2. rebuild old versions of the deps like it's been done on the github repo posted a few lines before
17:49 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> hi aerostitch
17:50 #navit: < aerostitch> Hi ilovekiruma
17:50 #navit: < aerostitch> :)
17:53 #navit: < aerostitch> By the way genesis: if you want to try and drop the win32 support, maybe we should start by having it run on win64? We could then do a release stating that win32 is obsolete and then drop the support for win32 if that's ok with everybody
17:53 #navit: < aerostitch> what do you think?
17:56 #navit: < genesis> aerostitch : first i spoke a few days ago with MaxKellermann about cegcc-build
17:56 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> aerostitch: I find it a bit a pity that we have no clue if any win32 users are out there
17:56 #navit: < genesis> <cirrus> CE is an awful OS, I'm happy I don't have to touch it anymore.
17:57 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> but I guess, we have no way to verify
17:57 #navit: < genesis> that's his opinion and he wont work on that, he was paid for it few years ago.
17:57 #navit: < aerostitch> lol thanks for the info
17:57 #navit: < genesis> Secondly , waiting we support something noone have take the lead to make right now to drop a support that noone has take the lead to maintain
17:57 #navit: < aerostitch> No we currently don't have a way to do that AFAIK
17:58 #navit: < aerostitch> lol
17:58 #navit: < genesis> is what i sarcasticly said it's like i block navit because it won't compile anymore on my CPC.
17:59 #navit: < genesis> you know, openoffice alias staroffice start on that
17:59 #navit: < genesis> noone would complain recent version doesn't.
17:59 #navit: < aerostitch> We know we do have users that do use navit because of its support on wince because we often have questions for it
18:00 #navit: < genesis> again, i don't speak about wince
18:00 #navit: < genesis> wince build on cmake 3.2, drop it is not my priority
18:00 #navit: < aerostitch> I thought we were still on the earlier conversiation about cegcc
18:00 #navit: < genesis> about cegcc
18:01 #navit: < genesis> <cirrus> I've pushed a few changes I made half a year ago to cegcc-build, but I think I havn't tested them (got distracted before I could finish that).
18:01 #navit: < genesis> anyway , if you drop all mingw target, perharps peoples find they have no support and join us to fix that
18:02 #navit: < aerostitch> lol, in an ideal world they would
18:02 #navit: < genesis> what i see, i stop pushing since 15 days because i don't want to contribute a project stuck in pasts.
18:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I agree with aerostitch
18:02 #navit: < aerostitch> else they'll just see that there's no support and move on :D
18:02 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> not so may users are developers necessirly
18:03 #navit: < genesis> so they would paid for another software, navit is interesting for linux user first. or they paid us to spend time on "awful OS" 
18:03 #navit: < aerostitch> ok, if you could just put a note in the PR so that we're aware anyone interested can take over
18:03 #navit: < aerostitch> please?
18:03 #navit: < aerostitch> :)
18:04 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> aerostitch, so you suggest to drop all windows except wince?
18:04 #navit: < aerostitch> no
18:04 #navit: < aerostitch> I would suggest to work on a working win64 target
18:04 #navit: < genesis> go for it :)
18:04 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/660 
18:04 #navit: < aerostitch> and once we have one, do a last release with win32 before dropping its support
18:05 #navit: < genesis> feel free to add you suggestion on something noone want to do.
18:05 #navit: < genesis> look the thread activity
18:05 #navit: < genesis> it's a race.
18:05 #navit: < aerostitch> I haven't touched a windows in years, and not interested to do so! :D
18:05 #navit: < aerostitch> lol
18:06 #navit: < genesis> like everyone here, so you ask for ressource we don't have
18:06 #navit: < aerostitch> I think like any other opensource project, people allocate time when they can,
18:06 #navit: < aerostitch> I'm talking about an ideal solution
18:06 #navit: < genesis> irrealistic solution
18:07 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I dont think just dropping without a last release is a good move
18:07 #navit: < aerostitch> no ideal solutions for users: when deprecating something you're supposed to warn first at least for 1 release
18:07 #navit: < genesis> the latest would be the latest.
18:07 #navit: < aerostitch> lol
18:07 #navit: < genesis> why the next would be a better latest ?
18:08 #navit: < genesis> i feel no driver in this project :/
18:08 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> because one doesnt just take decisions before informing current users
18:08 #navit: < aerostitch> Because we would warn in the release note that it's the last
18:09 #navit: < genesis> the goal is not that it's the latest, it's the latest until someone join and take care of it
18:10 #navit: < genesis> in the next release you just say "there is no release for windows, and we search someone to fix and maintain this target"
18:12 #navit: < genesis> the more we can fix the build with external and all without be block by old 2008 ubuntu 
18:12 #navit: < genesis> easiest will be to reintroduice windows build.
18:13 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> what is the matter of old 2008 ubuntu here?
18:14 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> as long as it gives us the binary we weant
18:21 #navit: < aerostitch> 2008 image is only for wince. win32 is a 14.04. And yes, jkoan and I are currently working on upgrading the 2008 image to a more recent one.
18:21 #navit: < genesis> win32 build on 2.8.12.2
18:22 #navit: < aerostitch> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/blob/trunk/.circleci/config.yml#L153
18:22 #navit: < aerostitch> but anyway, I might have a look later when I got more time
18:22 #navit: < aerostitch> maybe it's doable
18:22 #navit: < aerostitch> we'll see
18:23 #navit: < genesis> oki 
18:23 #navit: < genesis> of course it's doable.
18:27 #navit: <@KaZeR> howdy
18:27 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/660  perharps could help
18:28 #navit: < genesis> would be easier when we moove on cmake 3.2 since they have better support for crosscompilation and library detection
18:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> > it's the latest until someone join and take care of it   
18:30 #navit: < genesis> roadmap : drop win32 to be able to merge the stuff to cmake 3.2, rewrite progressivly library detection using recent cmake files
18:30 #navit: <@KaZeR> if we break the support for one platform with future changes, it'll be a mess to try to fix it. That's why we don't have iOS builds anymore
18:31 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> if i was a windows user, and check time to time wouldnt feel really well, just seeing that support was dropped in between
18:31 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> I think a clean handover after a final release would be better
18:31 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> then also we get peoples attention, when having a new release
18:32 #navit: < genesis> why not drop win32, let us improve cmake build
18:32 #navit: <@KaZeR> genesis: out of curiosity, how did you discover navit ?
18:32 #navit: < genesis> then wait for win32 be fixed before doing a release ?
18:33 #navit: < genesis> bbl
18:41 #navit: < genesis> back
18:42 #navit: < genesis> KaZeR : not a lot of opensource linux software make gps routing
18:43 #navit: < genesis> but since it's hard to compile on linux , mainteners of navit on nixos not update the package, so i did it
18:43 #navit: < genesis> and see lot of awful compiler and bad things, so i'd to fix it
18:43 #navit: < genesis> people-is-wrong-on-the-internet syndrom
18:43 #navit: < genesis> btw now i understand why.
18:44 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: any ideas about FOSDEM next year? We slowly approach deadlines again i think
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> > people-is-wrong-on-the-internet syndrom  
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> haha
18:52 #navit: <@KaZeR> ilovekiruna: yeah we should rework last year submission
18:52 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: plus maybe submit it to two or three occasions
18:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> Lightning Talk, Main Talk and Devroom
18:53 #navit: <@KaZeR> that's what we did last year too no?
18:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> we just submitted one
18:53 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> our mistake :(
19:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> ha!
19:45 #navit: <@KaZeR> live and learn :)
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