--- Log opened Sun Oct 14 00:00:18 2018
03:22 #navit: < genesis> https://www.tomtomax.fr has not result for "navit"
03:23 #navit: < genesis> but they have member able to write an entire apps like http://ttmaps.free.fr
03:30 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Interesting. Given that they don’t share their source code I wonder how much of it is just a hack on top of the usual tomtom app
03:30 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> But there is definitely some useful info there
03:34 #navit: < genesis> yes, could be interesting to ask for code, by principe.
03:36 #navit: < genesis> and a paste a presentation of navit, have us some download stats on the website ? 
03:44 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> We could get the stats yeah. Sourceforge + GitHub + Android playstore
03:44 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Definitely a good idea to add that to the website
03:53 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Would you mind logging an issue on the Navit-gps/website repo? I am on mobile right now
03:55 #navit: < genesis> added to my todo list, need a rest :)
04:14 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Thanks!
12:38 #navit: <+jkoan> genesis and KaZeR hi
12:38 #navit: < genesis> yo
12:39 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> Test
12:39 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> You asked about the tomtom device, what gen is it? Could you send me a link?
12:40 #navit: < genesis> i spoke about a one XL
12:40 #navit: < genesis> so i'd have a SDcard anyway
12:41 #navit: < genesis> i think we have to precise pre-requist for tomtom navit, like navcore 7/8/9 
12:42 #navit: <+jkoan> I also have a tomtom one xl here and it's capable of running NavitTom once finished, only gltt is needed from the original
12:43 #navit: <+jkoan> But I don't know at the moment if it also has internal storage
12:43 #navit: < genesis> i took that because you document you have that
12:44 #navit: < genesis> because i need to be sure it'll work out of the box
12:45 #navit: <+jkoan> Yes, I think we can make good things with it.
12:45 #navit: < genesis> https://github.com/navit-gps/NavitTom#tested-devices
12:45 #navit: <+jkoan> Yep
12:45 #navit: <+jkoan> I need to update this because I now have 4 devices ^^
12:45 #navit: < genesis> would like to enlarge this asking people of tomtomax to try it on their gps
12:46 #navit: < genesis> we would have fast a larger of devices tested
12:46 #navit: <+jkoan> But not now please, it's not finished
12:46 #navit: <+jkoan> It's totally wip
12:47 #navit: < genesis> what, navit on tomtom or opentom ?
12:47 #navit: < genesis> wht a mess this ttmaps peoples doesnt join us instead writing their own
12:48 #navit: <+jkoan> But if I understand you right you suggest to buy some devices for navit devs which are cheap and seems usable to add full support for them?
12:49 #navit: < genesis> i thought this was already the case
12:49 #navit: < genesis> what are the main issue with navit on tomtom one xL for example ?
12:50 #navit: <+jkoan> Gltt (the GPS driver software)
12:50 #navit: <+jkoan> And the outdated kernel. If we could update it we would be able to use buildroot and speed up development
12:58 #navit: <+jkoan> ilovekiruna: #687 is not okay. see here: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/687/files no changes
13:08 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: :-o
13:08 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> thanks for noticing
13:10 #navit: <+jkoan> ilovekiruna: merged
13:10 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: asked me to do it with a new branch forked from trunk
13:11 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> forget to commit the file again :-(
13:13 #navit: <+jkoan> now it worked ;)
13:15 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> jkoan: how well do you know osd?
13:15 #navit: <+jkoan> from enduser view or code view?
13:16 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> more code view
13:17 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> was thinking about iains changes for gui rotation, if we should incooperate it in the osd, to also have maybe different layouts or changes to the layouts when rotating
13:18 #navit: <+jkoan> hm, there i dont have enought knowledge 
13:19 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> u can find it in https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/682
13:19 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> maybe you have also some ideas to add
13:19 #navit: <+jkoan> yes, i read the comment
13:19 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> am right now trying to answer his latest comment
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15:27 #navit: <+jkoan> KaZeR: could we improve the request_navit_route_export_gpx function so it not only exports a route with air linges, but instead dumps the road points as well? so you have a real nice gpx with curves and everything?
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15:51 #navit: < genesis> jkoan http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gpsd#Hammerhead_on_the_GTA01
15:53 #navit: < genesis> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin seems there is a driver 
15:55 #navit: <+jkoan> HOW did you find this? i searched hours for this
15:55 #navit: < genesis> i don't get source for now
15:55 #navit: < genesis> i searsh for "Globallocate Hammerhead driver gpsd" 
15:56 #navit: < genesis> not "Global Hammerhead"
15:56 #navit: <+jkoan> i nearly did the same...
15:56 #navit: <+jkoan> oh :/ maby this
16:01 #navit: < genesis> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QMapControl and a software example ;)
16:02 #navit: <+jkoan> but source would be much cooler for now ^^ 
16:02 #navit: < genesis> my internet is lagging 
16:02 #navit: < genesis> but it should be in http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/
16:02 #navit: <+jkoan> but its not as far i see
16:04 #navit: <+jkoan> will give it a try, this would solve the one xl problem
16:04 #navit: < genesis> http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/doc/README.txt , should be somewhere
16:04 #navit: < genesis> we learn it's now owned by broadcomm
16:05 #navit: <+jkoan> this was knowen by me already, but this price of information dosent helped me so much
16:08 #navit: < genesis> not sure if we need to spend time to support this since it seems to be hard due to chip licence.
16:08 #navit: <+jkoan> what does this mean?
16:09 #navit: < genesis> possibly we can't release an opensource driver legally
16:10 #navit: <+jkoan> of which licene do you speak?
16:21 #navit: < genesis> from broadcom vendor.
16:22 #navit: <+jkoan> but if you reserveenegeniring a software to use a chip that you own and build a software they cant do anything against this. Or do you think the driver uses there sources?
16:23 #navit: < genesis> i've asked on #openmoko some hints, but i think it's a dead end, i donno.
16:24 #navit: < genesis> do we need to spend time on this when we can use gltt, i'll figure out when i try that on my tmtom :)
16:27 #navit: <+jkoan> We can use gltt, true, but having a open source driver would be the better option. If we use gltt we need to implement a sd swap thing or something like this to copy the file from the old ttsystem image. And don't know what we should do for none sd based devices also
16:32 #navit: < genesis> found no datasheet and seems people like google have to deal with blob
16:37 #navit: < genesis> https://www.petervis.com/modern-gadgets/tomtom-one-xl-repair/tomtom-one-xl-chipset-and-components.html for who doesnt want to open it so close :D
16:49 #navit: < genesis> jkoan ; we can't see embedded rom when we boot from sdcard because it seems to be on same line, isn't it ?
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16:50 #navit: < genesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=banx1zvJrZk that how i understand this adding of sdcard slot
16:50 #navit: < genesis> ". You dont have to remove integrated memory chip. Just solder SD adapter, if you insert micro SD card, tomtom will see only external, if you remove it - tomtom sees internal memory."
16:50 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> My tomtom xl has a sd cad slot :X
16:50 #navit: < genesis> so we can't use a mouting hack for gltt, btw that's a bit lame of hw...
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16:56 #navit: < genesis> https://infocards.co/tomtom-one-xl-sd-card/ not that hard .
16:58 #navit: < genesis> <PaulFertser> genesis: the vendor never cooperated, and see e.g. https://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/01/
16:58 #navit: < genesis> <PaulFertser> genesis: you can download the ipk with binary from http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/?Accept=Accept
16:59 #navit: <+jkoan> but no source? :-(
17:04 #navit: < genesis> no :/ but more information about why :"
17:04 #navit: < genesis> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Protocol
17:07 #navit: < genesis> http://iam.tj/projects/meif_protocol/research/Broadcom_BCM4751x_GNSS_driver.html seems a good begining ;)
17:10 #navit: <+jkoan> but thers not really much to find :/ the question is if its worth investigating in it
17:11 #navit: < genesis> yes, seems very hard, but perharps we can't use the binary gllin, since we can distrubute it
17:11 #navit: < genesis> when we can't with gltt.
17:12 #navit: <+jkoan> do you know if this is allowed?
17:12 #navit: < genesis> can't/can
17:19 #navit: < genesis> https://gitorious.org/meif_protocol/meif_protocol/?p=meif_protocol:meif_protocol.git;a=tree for the file, i should documented all taht on navitom wiki :)
17:20 #navit: <+jkoan> at least we have irc logs, but write all down would be cool also. Wiki, or in a github issue? We can open one on NavitTom because its a real issue
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <PaulFertser> genesis: here's his repo: https://gitorious.org/meif_protocol/meif_protocol/
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <PaulFertser> genesis: you can "git clone https://gitorious.org/meif_protocol/meif_protocol.git"
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <genesis> yeap but submodule is empty
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <PaulFertser> genesis: yeah, checkout 6ac92d2daaf6ffc7ad055e89e04ba7a1cdab143c
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <genesis> ho yes
17:26 #navit: < genesis> <genesis> i get the ./research/sphyrna/sphyrna/doc/packet-format.txt
18:25 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> > 106 new messages since 5:20am
18:26 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Wow that’s awesome I like that 😃
18:26 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> hi @KaZeR
18:28 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> > <jkoan> KaZeR: could we improve the request_navit_route_export_gpx function so it not only exports a route with air linges, but instead dumps the road points as well? so you have a real nice gpx with curves and everything?
18:29 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Yeah we can. Maybe we should log a ticket
18:29 #navit: <+ilovekiruna> KaZeR: could you give some input to my question on PR682?
18:36 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> On mobile right now (hence the gateway) but will do
18:39 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> @KaZeR could it be true that download is already implemented in binfile map driver?
19:12 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> kazer: dow we want to just merge translations without CI checking? this would make things more easy
20:36 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> > <jkoan> could it be true that download is already implemented in binfile map driver?
20:37 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Boy exactly. There is code to handle map sources, but nothing to actually take care of the download itself
20:37 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> > kazer: dow we want to just merge translations without CI checking? this would make things more easy
20:38 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> I am not sure that we should ever bypass the CI. We need to make it robust so that we can build and release with confidence
20:39 #navit: <+Navit> <KaZeR> Sometimes changes in the translations can actually break the build, like messing with the plural forms. If we release that without testing the build we’ll break Navit
21:20 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> But what about a bulk update of translations? We only need to verify that the ci passes, but not that the content is correct because this is done on launchpad. Also we can update each translation in one commit to have a similar effect, but with less ci usage
21:23 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> BTW I researched again on the automatic launchpad export which they have on there site, but unfortunately it's only possible for bazaar branches, not git branches like we have. But probably we can create a export branch to collect things and use a ci job or probably also a web hook to link everything together. But this integration is quite annoying...
21:25 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> For map download. Does your curl integration only uses this pre-made api whatever thing or something completely different. And if it does so. Should we use the one provided in map binfile?
21:26 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> And have you seen my private message (not the friend request) on discord?
21:42 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> /help
21:43 #navit: <+Navit> <jkoan> Only trying if the irc bridge is save from running commands on the irc channel. Perfect, everything as it should be
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