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[10:23:00] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i think my screen just died 😢
[10:23:47] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> it was working perfectly yesterday at night, and today i can't get it to turn on, no matter what i plug it to... The display controller seems to get hot and thats all
[13:00:13] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> any plans on getting navit multicore friendly ? its only hitting one core of my pi
[13:05:23] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i tried zooming out and navit froze, its stuck using 1 core at 100%
[13:31:22] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> there was already some work in this field, see here: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/issues/760
[13:35:11] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> inceasing graphics memory did imporve the sitation slightly, but as soon as the zoom level gets too low it starts getting very slow to respond
[13:36:53] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> it might be worsened by the fact that im running a demo navigation at the same time too
[13:41:00] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hmm i dont feel confortable enough to mess with mvglasow's fork and make it run for me :/
[14:15:59] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> @Bizzmark which pi did you have ? i find my 3b+ to be near unusable :/
[14:17:15] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> 4 4GB
[14:17:50] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hmm, zooming out more than a few times causes severe hang outs
[14:20:07] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Mine's okay. Slow-ish to respond, but doesn't really hang. Except when it crashes. I know it's not my Pi because all other apps are fine, even 1080p video, and OAP maps are perfectly responsive.
[14:21:11] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hmm im afraid i might end up havin to use something else
[14:21:28] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> its really weird
[14:23:03] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> BTW Guys, I really like that this chat feels alive with you all writing :) Thx
[14:23:19] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> haha you are welcome ! im glad
[14:23:29] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Possible you could tweak some things
[14:23:34] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Sorry, but I've found the same jankiness with Navit, just maybe a bit less so because my Pi 4 is a little more powerful. That, plus the fact that my GPS module takes at least 30 minutes to get a lock and can't do so indoors, is why I use OAP as my primary.
[14:23:42] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Possible you could tweak some settings
[14:23:56] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i just hope i was giving better new tho, today is a downer... first my touchscreen dies with no warning, then this
[14:24:18] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i dont have such problems with my module
[14:24:35] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hmm what do you have in mind ?
[14:25:20] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> when i see on what kind of potato you can run navit builds it really bugs me away as to why it would become so unresponsive as soon as i start zooming out, i may have done something wrong
[14:25:46] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i feel like it just gets overwhelmed by how much data it suddenly has to process
[14:26:27] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> You can remove details from the layout so it will not be rendered
[14:27:10] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hmm how can i do that ?
[14:27:31] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> wouldn't it hurt usuability too ?
[14:29:11] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Edit the layout or create a copy (and edit its name). You would need to remove map features or change when they are displayed
[14:29:33] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Not always, but it would change its look
[14:30:31] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> thats fine, depending on how much it changes
[14:30:49] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> im going to dig deeper into this
[14:31:02] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> what are you usually running navit on ?
[14:32:39] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> I did find mine runs a lot better with POI icons turned off. If this doesn't disable them being processed behind the scenes, maybe I could get even more performance.
[14:33:55] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> As for GPS modules, a regular one does take that long to get a lock. If you have one that takes a SIM card for assisted GPS (triangulation, like a cell phone), that's more like a few seconds, but I can't justify having a second cell phone plan just for my GPS, and most are GSM only which is less common in the US.
[14:34:37] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> my usb one takes like 20 sec at worse 🤔 no sim trickery
[14:35:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> @jkoan i remembered that there was already a layout called simple so i went and tried this one first. Same issue using this one
[14:36:11] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> its just freezes once i get to a scale of 5KM, idk how i can see zoom levels to be more accurate
[14:36:58] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> External? Must have a decent antenna. I only have a small external antenna glued to the inside of my project box. Or maybe Ozzmaker actually sucks.
[14:37:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> its a cheap round thingy i got from aliexpress, 10€
[14:38:20] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> link?
[14:38:21] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> how did you go and turn off POI icons ?
[14:38:44] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> In the menus, actually.. I looked for it in the XML but couldn't find the reference, so I just found it in the in-app menus somewhere
[14:38:48] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Settings probably
[14:39:14] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32947709096.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4c75c703dW3msm&algo_pvid=2eb3a651-30dd-47d1-8e49-d00c42f95b7f&algo_exp_id=2eb3a651-30dd-47d1-8e49-d00c42f95b7f-3
[14:39:14] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i think thats the one, or one very similar
[14:40:09] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ah yeah, thats a problem 😂 i have lost the settings menu ever since im using the up to date build version
[14:41:06] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> now its even struggling to go full screen 😢
[14:41:10] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> tf is going on
[14:42:40] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> idk, it does sound more broken for you than it should b
[14:42:42] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> idk, it does sound more broken for you than it should be
[14:43:45] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yeah im really lost as to what on earth is going on here, a pi 3b+ is certainly not a strong device, but it should be enough
[14:44:13] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> im going to try something...
[14:52:35] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> @jkoan excuses the pings, but i found somehting intresting
[14:52:52] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> the issue is non existant on the older apt version
[14:53:44] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> so either something has changed in the new build that my pi *does NOT* like *at all*, or my custom osd (not too fancy...) is messing it up
[14:54:40] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> changing zooms is still a bit on the slower side, but in a lot more reasonable way
[14:54:55] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> any idea ?
[15:05:09] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> after disabling all my osd items but zoom in/out buttons i do have a usuable up to date navit
[15:05:37] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> no trying to figure ou if one of my osd items was fucking everything up or if it was the amount i had active
[15:08:19] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> now trying to figure ou if one of my osd items was fucking everything up or if it was the amount i had active
[15:09:57] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> also, would a smaller map (eg : only my country instead of all europe) improve performance ?
[15:27:16] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Sorry, not sure. jkoan can probably help more here. My guess is a smaller map would only affect startup time; I have all the US and some central/south America on my map, and it's not bad once it's started
[15:28:10] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Were you using something like the Ozzmaker icons & config?
[15:28:25] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yeah but OSM maps are not balanced : france is already bigger than the USA in terms of download size
[15:29:13] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yeah i followed the same tutorial as you did i think, im slowly adding back OSD items to test when navit starts freaking out
[15:29:31] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> That doesn't seem quite right.. France is smaller than like 5 of our states. More roads, sure, but more than the whole US? lol
[15:29:57] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yeah, OSM is a european project (not sure, dont quote me)
[15:30:06] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> western europe is close to 20GB
[15:31:24] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> france only download
[15:31:25] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/860543183603630141/unknown.png
[15:31:37] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> USA only download (without alaska and hawaii)
[15:31:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500190750085087235/860543239613710336/unknown.png
[15:31:52] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> my bad, not bigger but close
[15:33:46] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> That does explain some things I noticed missing in my town alone
[15:34:22] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yeah world coverage with OSM is far from perfect
[15:34:36] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> its more advanced in europe probably because more people contribute to it
[15:43:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> @jkoan see anything wrong with this OSD item ?
[15:43:39] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ```xml
[15:43:40] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> <osd name="icon_route_status" enabled="yes" type="button" command="" src="status_no_destination_bk.png" x="-65" y="-105" />
[15:43:42] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ```
[15:44:01] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> looks like this is what's slowing me down
[15:44:47] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> lool poor jkoan will come back to his discord with a bilions notifications from me 😂
[15:56:24] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Most of the time Linux and android. But I also have TomTom devices and wince devices. I have a whole lot of devices. One project which @ilovekiruna and I still need to do is the device farm for Android for automatic tests of navit.
[15:57:24] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> It only takes long if you need to wait for it to download the "Almanach" which takes about 12min
[15:58:07] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Most GPS have the option to include or add a small battery which is used to keep the Almanach
[16:00:23] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Not right now
[16:01:01] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Actually it can yes
[16:04:20] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Depending on the graphics plugin it's possible that OSDs are andeled different. For example on SDL they are handled with overlays. Also it's possible to use navit with a X server directly on framebuffer which shaves off a few wlextra steps. But I don't know which plugin this was. Probably the egl
[16:05:27] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> I think it was stated within Germany which explains why here sometimes single trees are mapped
[16:06:08] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> You got an empty command, don't know if this is a problem
[16:06:24] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> This is okay :D
[16:14:43] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> right, i hope I find in or after august some time for this
[16:14:53] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> right now the Rpi is used for other things
[16:15:29] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> I probably got enough pi's on my side
[16:15:55] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> The biggest problem could be proper management
[16:17:22] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> you mean how to manage the different nodes?
[16:18:16] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> I meant what kind of hardware, mostly cpu power
[16:18:47] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> Ok i'll consider getting France only
[16:18:49] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> most of the devices in the farm will be older android phones
[16:19:50] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> Aight, so my pi3b+ should be plenty then
[16:20:44] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> it was along with this :
[16:20:45] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ```xml
[16:20:46] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>         <osd name="my_osd_cmdif_1" h="1" w="1"  update_period="2"  enabled="yes" type="cmd_interface" x="-100"  y="-100" command='
[16:20:47] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             osd[@name=="icon_route_status"].src = 
[16:20:49] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             route.route_status==1      ? "icons/nav_destination_bk.png" : 
[16:20:50] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==0     ? "icons/status_no_destination_bk.png" :  
[16:20:51] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==3     ? "icons/status_no_route_bk.png" : 
[16:20:53] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==5     ? "icons/status_calculating_bk.png" : 
[16:20:54] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==13    ? "icons/status_calculating_bk.png" : 
[16:20:55] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==17    ? "icons/status_routing_bk.png" : 
[16:20:56] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==33    ? "icons/status_routing_bk.png" : "icons/unknown.png"
[16:20:58] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             )))))))'
[16:20:59] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>         />```
[16:21:09] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> these two are supposed to be displaying routing status (routing, calculating etc)
[16:22:02] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i left this one active and my navit works fine, just i no longer have the button (the line i showed earlier) and thus can't see guidance status anymore
[16:23:21] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> but i was able to reliably repeat the issue, this makes navit freak out. At close zoom it works fine, but zooming out becomes slower and slower untill past a certain zoom level it just completely stands still with one core pegged at 100%
[16:23:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i tried to wait to see if it would get unstuck but gave up after around 10min
[16:32:46] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> without it, the first zoom levels take around 1.5/2sec to load, and further out levels are around 3.
[16:32:48] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> With it, the close ones are like 4 sec rapidely increasing untill freezing
[16:51:52] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> "close ones" as in closer to the ground?
[16:53:50] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> yes
[16:53:56] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> bigger zooms if you prefer
[16:54:09] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> sorry there was a type/autocorrection. I meant power management
[16:55:10] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> those are just on power supplies, dont understand what you mean.
[16:55:23] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i can give you screeshots, or even show you live if you prefer it might be easier
[16:56:47] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> i mean i think having about 3-4 Raspberry pis with all the cables will be a mess, and probably i dont even have enough usb cables to wire up all thos devices
[16:57:18] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> for this purpose I got an active USB-Hub
[16:57:53] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> i will try to replicate it on my machine, this way i can even debug the code
[16:58:29] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> but this also has a limit on hay many amps it can deliver which can/will be a problem with ~15 phones
[16:58:52] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> thats my bad for using code thats not mine without proper testing tho, it was just out from a tutorial on the net
[16:58:58] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> might be something badly formed here
[16:59:10] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> ofc, but still better than running all directly from the rpi
[16:59:49] <Navit> [discord] <ilovekiruna> I would also expect in standby those wont draw too extensive currents
[17:00:42] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> probaly you are right, but its a cable mess any how
[17:01:04] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> cable management nightmare are life guys
[17:02:11] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> i already thought about taking all of the devices apart and just use the mainbords directly. Even without screen, wifi, battery, ...
[17:03:00] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> I dont think those are needed, so could work, but then a serial connection would be grate to do maintenance it needed
[17:19:19] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i re used the documentation's example for naviagtion status. Works just fine
[17:19:43] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i guess the guy who did the code i used was making something more complicated that navit doesnt like
[17:40:12] <Navit> [discord] <jkoan> Could you please provide the full osd where the error happens? Or is it the one where command="" ?
[17:43:04] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ```xml
[17:43:05] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>  <osd name="my_osd_cmdif_1" h="1" w="1"  update_period="2"  enabled="yes" type="cmd_interface" x="-100"  y="-100" command='
[17:43:06] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             osd[@name=="icon_route_status"].src = 
[17:43:07] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             route.route_status==1      ? "icons/nav_destination_bk.png" : 
[17:43:09] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==0     ? "icons/status_no_destination_bk.png" :  
[17:43:10] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==3     ? "icons/status_no_route_bk.png" : 
[17:43:11] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==5     ? "icons/status_calculating_bk.png" : 
[17:43:13] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==13    ? "icons/status_calculating_bk.png" : 
[17:43:14] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==17    ? "icons/status_routing_bk.png" : 
[17:43:15] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             (route.route_status==33    ? "icons/status_routing_bk.png" : "icons/unknown.png"
[17:43:16] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>             )))))))'
[17:43:18] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov>         />
[17:43:19] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> <osd name="icon_route_status" enabled="yes" type="button" command="" src="status_no_destination_bk.png" x="-65" y="-105" />
[17:43:20] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> ```
[17:43:22] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> these two were working together for displaying navigation status
[17:43:32] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> commenting the last one stopped the freezing from happening
[17:43:59] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> i dont have the osd setup as it was when it was failing anymore so thats all i can provide
[18:21:32] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> can we still access legacy gui menus ? for example i think there are some missing menus in the current build that i'd like to have (eg : go from car to car_avoid_tolls) but i cant figure how
[18:24:33] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> same idea for a stop navigation button or a search place button
[18:25:38] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> although for these two i can always as last resort make a spawn command that would mimic pressing CTRL+S and CTRL+D
[21:18:59] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> hey its me again 😅  im trying to make a button appear only when guiding (actually, a button that changes based on navigation state would be better). I tried using osd_configuration for that. It worked.... sorta. For some reason, unlike navigation_next_turn types for example, buttons seem to be needing a redraw of the OSD to be displayed properly.
[21:18:59] <Navit> [discord] <Archen Von Dreknov> EG : two buttons with different icons, one with osd_configuration=1 and one with 2. We start the app in config1 (not navigating) and the button corresponding is here. If we change (now not navigating), button for 1 stays and button for 2 doesnt appear. If you pan the map around, or in general just trigger an osd redraw, button 1 will dissapear as expected and button 2 will appear
[23:40:45] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Mine - and several others - advertised a 10-15+ minute fix time depending on weather etc., and while mine does have a small battery, it only holds the bearings for up to 4 hours. I'd like to work a way to use my 4x 18650 batteries into that, but I doubt it's feasible unless I keep my UPS on and continuously powering the Pi (it supplies 3v even when shutdown)
[23:41:26] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> I bet those USB units that you can put in a windshield do work faster, but I settled for something that fits inside my project box. If it's really a few seconds, though, maybe I'll reconsider.. and glue it to the top or something 🙂
[23:43:57] <Navit> [discord] <Bizzmark> Get your screen working again? If it's defective, definitely get a refund